New Zaino Paint Cleanser

tailwind said:
... No matter who you are, you can't deny that Zaino's marketing descriptions are both misleading and brew a whole bunch of ignorance from people that don't know any better. They are not focused towards "exotic" or rare paint jobs. You're only kidding yourself if you think so.
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Must be part of the culture of marketing detailing products. :nixweiss



A couple of examples. There are many more.

Example #1

This is the car wax that's talked about in hushed whispers at show-car and concours events! xxxxxx Car Wax sets the standard in the surface enhancement. It's bursting with a special blend of Brazilian Ivory Carnauba and natural oils. These oils "wet" the paint producing tremendous depth and richness.



..... Then get this wax. The shimmer and depth that it adds to a black or red car's finish is friggen unbelievable! And you can put layer on top of layer and finish just keeps getting darker, deeper and richer!...



Example #2

xxxx is unlike anything else available. It is the result of over two years of research with state-of-the-art super-polymers. These are paint-friendly, water-based emulsions that mimic all the best characteristics of carnauba waxes without carnauba’s weaknesses. When used together in a 2-step polish and protect procedure they have a synergy that produces a deep, wet, carnauba-like gloss. A shine that shimmers with energy....
 
This is why I love Autopia:D, its awesome to have emotion about what you enjoy. Only really funny thing is 7 pages of all this and nobody has even used it really yet:D .......ahhhhhh only Zaino!:p



" My momma says Zaino is the devil" :chuckle:



Bobby Boucher The Waterboy



Ahh man its late:doh
 
true blue blood said:
This is why I love Autopia:D, its awesome to have emotion about what you enjoy. Only really funny thing is 7 pages of all this and nobody has even used it really yet:D .......ahhhhhh only Zaino!:p
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I have. :woot:





true blue blood,

What is really nice about Autopia is that we can agree to disagree and David B allows us to discuss non-sponsor products openly without censorship.



From Autoglym to Zaino. Open passionate discussion is possible. :bow
 
So without me reading all of the pages (which I am guessing are filled with not a lot of info from what I have read so far...How did like the experience blkZ28conv?
 
scottabir said:
So without me reading all of the pages (which I am guessing are filled with not a lot of info from what I have read so far...How did like the experience blkZ28conv?
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Not to sound too shill but I love the stuff.



Effective

Extremely easy to use.

Continuation of Zaino quality standards.

Cost very reasonable (ever since I purchased once an excellent LSP for $70, most other detailing product prices seem quite reasonable).



It is a excellent polish and perfect mate for the Zaino LSP's. IMHO
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Not to sound too shill but I love the stuff.



Effective

Extremely easy to use.

Continuation of Zaino quality standards.

Cost very reasonable (ever since I purchased a $70 LSP's, most other detailing product seem reasonable).



It is a excellent polish and perfect mate for the Zaino LSP's. IMHO
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Would you recommend its use on a swirl-free finish to prep for a Zaino LSP?

I would like to see a non-abrasive cleaner/polish product in the Zaino system.
 
Yes, if you are changing LSP and prefer not to Dawn wash.

If you are using Zaino and the protection and brillance is still present and the surface is swirl-free, I would just add another coat of a Z sealants or Z8 wipedown.
 
tailwind said:
Any polish or cleaner without fillers or oils will work fine, and there's a ton of them out there. Some people will make excuses to defend the Zaino line or glorify it until they're blue in the face. I just call them fanboys, add them to the ignore list, and move along.
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Please tell me some other polishes that have no oil or filler whatsoever. And if you say AIO or FPII I'm going to LMAO.



tailwind said:
I used the stuff for over a year. Yes, Zaino makes good products. No, I never saw one that was hands-down better than the main competition. I've since abandoned the whole line since I saw no reason to use it anymore if I didn't like the look provided or the process. I go over the car enough to not care about durability, and if I did, I'd probably be using SG anyway.[/B]
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If having better than double the durability of your main competition (klasse) is not hands down better, than I don't know what is.



tailwind said:
And the fact of the matter is that the advertising and instructions do nothing but mislead the customer base (meaning, 99% of the people that end up buying the stuff) that don't know the first thing about proper prep or detailing in general. The fact that there's a ton of zealots spread across every automotive forum you can name that think it's the only good stuff on the market proves this. Any real detailer will tell you that process matters 10x more than the product used and won't make excuses to glorify any single line made.[/B]
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Most of the doods on car forums don't want to spend hours prepping their paint like us. Sal's instructions were made to help these types of people apply their zaino in an effective manner (so it bonds correctly). I don;t consider that misleading. But instead of make general statements, why don't give us a SPECIFIC example of what is misleading.



tailwind said:
I plan on buying the Z-PC to judge it for myself, just as I have the rest of the Zaino line. I expect it to be something along the lines of FPII, an extremely mild polish with no fillers to leave a glossy surface ready for an LSP. I highly doubt it'll be superior to comparable offerings from Poorboys, Menzerna, Meguiar's, Optimum, 3M, or any other product we're all used to seeing, but I AM convinced that it will be a quality offering that I'll find a use for.[/B]
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I guess I get to laugh here. How you can say FPII has no fillers is beyond me. Have you actually used it? I have. It did hide fine hazing in my paint. My paint did not feel squeaky clean either (you'll know what I mean if you ever compare an FPII'd panel to a FI2'd panel. FI2 IS squeaky clean)



tailwind said:
As Autopians, keeping an open mind is key. People that glorify a certain line are doing the EXACT opposite. No matter who you are, you can't deny that Zaino's marketing descriptions are both misleading and brew a whole bunch of ignorance from people that don't know any better. They are not focused towards "exotic" or rare paint jobs. You're only kidding yourself if you think so. [/B]
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I'll say it again, PLEASE GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of what is misleading. I want specific phrases that you have a problem with. From my perspective, zaino lives up to everything they say, unlike other companies who promise months of protection, only to actually provide a few days or a couple of weeks in testing.
 
those product phrases from PS and Wolfgang are excellent examples of compainies telling customers true lies. Its marketing version of a self-fullfilling prophecy. Yes those are very good products but are they really noticably better than the competition or have they convinced you that they are better so you assume they look better :nixweiss
 
The Zaino site specifically mentions that the Z-PC will not correct scratches that can be felt with a fingernail. This tells me that there is no hype of this being the end all and do all product, just a continuation of the Zaino line. I have plans to do a detail with the Z-PC that starts with Menzerna polishes, IP, PO85RD. This is in line with the instructions on the Zaino site.



I see that once again, the woodwork has emptied completely and it seems another free for all once AGAIN has started over a product that has not been used.... I really do enjoy the Autopian Forums, Only we fanatics become so passionate over what is basically wax products that we seize on such things as advertising text and through that text, sight unseen, product unused, postulate the qualities of that product (publicly no less) !;) This thread is so entertaining from a lot of directions.... I love this !



The power of a new Zaino product to initiate emotional responses should be an indication of the impact the product has had within the detailing community. Personally I am sure glad that the Z-PC has finally become available, I was running out of products while waiting. I wound up ordering about $200.00 worth of products in all. Personally, I think Zaino is inexpensive for what it does.... How many applications a person gets from a bottle of Z2Pro, Z5 etc- I just ordered some PO85RD for $50.00 a short time ago. My point is, you get what you pay for.:xyxthumbs
 
wannafbody said:
Yes those are very good products but are they really noticably better than the competition or have they convinced you that they are better so you assume they look better :nixweiss
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Um-mm, Assume they look better? Are we talking Stevie Wonder?

:rofl



There are many really excellent products out there and of course any company that is worth trading with, promotes the products they sell. Zaino sells a system of products that at each step add something to the over-all... Meguires has been doing the same thing for years. It does boil down to the end result. The impression of what you, as a detailer has accomplished with a certain product is in the eyes of the beholder. I have a friend who uses NXT faithfully. It did a great job on his red Miata. Now the outcome of his first experience with NXT, after using less effective products was an EMOTIONAL one ! So, he swears by this great product, and does not want to move up to the next level...The NXT produced a "brand" loyalty that defies "rational" explanation or logical persuasion otherwise.



I try all sorts of products to see what I can end up with.... then try something else.... I have a problem;) I am not so much Brand loyal, as result loyal.... So I am a Zaino aficionado:xyxthumbs
 
Bobsealant is exactly the kind of guy I and everybody else should choose to ignore when it comes to this topic.



If you don't want to believe there's any filler-less polishes out there, fine. Whatever makes you happy. Once again, people can make all the excuses for the Zaino line that they want. The rest of us won't look at it through rose-colored glasses, thank you.
 
This past year have spent alot of money and tried many Autopians advises. I have tried many products both polishes and LSPs and I am now now saying "screw it". I'm going back to Zaino pretty much exclusively from now on. Now this is just my opinion and is a decision that I find is best for me and the results that I'm looking for. :)
 
Its clear that some people dont like Zaino or the claims they make. But it always seems that these people always participate in every Zaino thread. If they dont care for the product why are they always here in these threads?:nixweiss



I dont care for Megs products but I dont go to those threads and go on a hunt!!



Its seems these people are jealouse of a good thing and have to complain about something thats a little more money than they typicaly pay for or for the results of Zaino because they didn't follow proper prep protocol. We Z guys dont make excuses for a product that works.



I get so tired of the whining and complaining about ZFX drops and cure time, Etc.:sosad

Give it up .
 
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