New Zaino Paint Cleanser

Sorry, this is a little off-topic, but Anthony, would I be correct in saying as a pro, longevity is not your most important factor in (LSP) product selection? Both you and Scottwax have said that Zaino produces good results (Scott has said longevity is excellent) but you both use other products in your work.
 
My first bottle is being delivered as I type! Just have to wait for my Father's Day present (PC 7336) and then get busy! :D
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Sorry, this is a little off-topic, but Anthony, would I be correct in saying as a pro, longevity is not your most important factor in (LSP) product selection? Both you and Scottwax have said that Zaino produces good results (Scott has said longevity is excellent) but you both use other products in your work.
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Durability is not an issue with me on my regular, weekly, bi-weekly, clients, correct.



The other day I did one wash and wax plus one regular wash and a full detail.



The wash and wax was on a new Denali. Total time was about 1 hour 15 minutes. The wash took about 45 minutes and the full detail about 3 1/2 to 4 hours.



Ease of use with great results is what I am seeking, longevity second.



Truthfully so many on this and other forums always ask..."What's the longevity of this product?"......"How durable is it, will it last me 3 months or more?" Yet these same people are out waxing and rewaxing their cars every 2 weeks!!!:nixweiss So what in the hell is the point about durability if they never leave their cars alone long enough to really test it? It's funny when you think about it.



So yes Zaino does work well but as a pro I would rather do 2 steps than 5, be ready to give the car over ASAP and not wait for this to bond or that to bond, unless of course they are willing to wait and willing to pay the extra$



Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
This makes me laugh mainly because how does a "mild" polish "knockdown high spots on your car"??:nixweiss



Also, 8oz for $14!! For that price I would hope it lasts as long as 32oz polish.



Anthony
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This probably does not apply to factory paints jobs but many have exotic finishes that are quite amendable by a "mild" polishing agent to finish that final paint leveling procedure. I personal have a lacquer finish (have not used Z-PC on it) that is quite easy to level with a mild polish. As a matter of fact final leveling requires this mildness.



To read this claim and take it for face value for all paint finishes is probably unfair.



Good example is the BMW slogan -"Ultimate Driving Machine".

Excellent vehicles (love them and wife wants another :xyxthumbs)) but I would be naive to believe that they are the pinnacle of automotive driving enjoyment.





Good points about longevity feature of a LSP verses the frequency in which we wax of vehicle and durability's true value to an Autopian. Color me quilty. :o

My take on longevity boils down to this question:

Do I wax because I must because the protection and appearance enhancers are fading or have long left or do I wax because I want to? I prefer the latter choice especially during the cold winter harsh weather months. :xyxthumbs
 
If you're saying the levelling of "high spots" in the paint cleanser by Zaino will only be put to use on "exotic" paint finishes...how many people actual have laquer or other rare paints that will be using this? Honestly...it's not really worth advertising that if it only applies to a VERY select amount of finishes...almost like false advertising. I don't like it.



"At face value..." well that's what most Zaino users will take it at. *Many* of the Zaino users that I know ONLY use Zaino and it's the only line of product they have in their cabinet because it's all they know (thanks to other car club forums, etc.). They most likely will take this at face value...how else could they take it?
 
I seems I didn't understand the term 'high spots' the same way most of you did. I understood high spots as being the minor peaks (and valley's) in the paint. The ones that produce fine brushed hazing in bright light after using a medium abrasive. Based on this, what zaino is advertising is no different that what other mild polishes advertise. Many claim to knock down high spots / round off sharp edges to give the paint a more uniform glossy look. I don't see what the real problem is. We all know Zaino has lived up to its claims on its other products, I am confident this one will be no different.



As for the price, it's really no different than other zaino products. I also thought it would cost more and am actually pleasently surprised by the price. Bottom line, if you think its too expensive then don't buy it.
 
Maybe not so obvious, but with the harder paints on modern vehicles one would work their way to the point where a mild polish like Z-PC, PO85RD or FP will complete the job. :nixweiss



Unfortunately, I am one that has cabinets full of products that can not surplant my present LSP system. Some has even grown mold. On a very serious note - be careful of such products that have established mold or bacterial growth. If allow to enter the body via a breach in the skin the possiblity of a systemic fungal or bacterial infection may occur. Discard product.

The really sad part is that I started what I call now "elite" detailing using Zaino. Got lost in the forest of new and better product hype and kept searching many $$ later only to return from which I started. I truely wish I had been smart enough to perfect one system, which I am doing now, by concentrating on PREP rather than a miracle LSP that covered all the problems in a finish that my eye once did not see.

That is why Z-PC is so exciting for Zaino users. A finishing prep product designed for Z protectants. For years we wander in the dark not sure if the finish polish we were using was completely compatible, if we needed to Dawn wash or IPA wipe after using some finishing products. This problem has been solved. :woot:



Please excuse our excitement and return to waxing and detailing with the your products of choice.



We are here to learn to detail to the highest level. The products one uses to get there, the derivation of a vendor's product (in-house design and development vs generic customerization), or semenatics used to describe a product should be quite secondary. :nixweiss
 
Once again BlkZ...............WELL SAID! In addition........It still amazes me how people on this site continue to complain about products they've never used! Enough whining, please. 14 frick'n dollars isn't gonna cause anyone to miss a meal.
 
I feel that the development of Z-PC is mainly targeted at the existing Zaino users. I used to use Zaino Z2, but after every polish I need to dawn wash the car for the preparation for Z2 and I find it very troublesome and time wasting so I stopped using Z2. Now with this new Z-PC I might reconsider using Z2 again since I still have half a bottle of Z2 and some ZFX.
 
Well, I need some more Z7 (half a bottle left). Some more Z6 and could use a bit of replenishment of Z8. So I'll add this to the mix as well. :xyxthumbs Looks like it's time for another trip down to the Zaino store.



I'm interested to see how well it does. It's certainly a nice idea, to have a "real" polish that works in coordination with the existing product line and is totally compatible as well. I like a systematic approach to detailing my cars. :cool:
 
I thought that the Menzerna polishes as well as AIO were suitable with Zaino. Did they suddenly become an incompatible piece of the puzzle? They wipe clean and don't have fillers right?
 
Any polish or cleaner without fillers or oils will work fine, and there's a ton of them out there. Some people will make excuses to defend the Zaino line or glorify it until they're blue in the face. I just call them fanboys, add them to the ignore list, and move along.



I used the stuff for over a year. Yes, Zaino makes good products. No, I never saw one that was hands-down better than the main competition. I've since abandoned the whole line since I saw no reason to use it anymore if I didn't like the look provided or the process. I go over the car enough to not care about durability, and if I did, I'd probably be using SG anyway.



And the fact of the matter is that the advertising and instructions do nothing but mislead the customer base (meaning, 99% of the people that end up buying the stuff) that don't know the first thing about proper prep or detailing in general. The fact that there's a ton of zealots spread across every automotive forum you can name that think it's the only good stuff on the market proves this. Any real detailer will tell you that process matters 10x more than the product used and won't make excuses to glorify any single line made.



I plan on buying the Z-PC to judge it for myself, just as I have the rest of the Zaino line. I expect it to be something along the lines of FPII, an extremely mild polish with no fillers to leave a glossy surface ready for an LSP. I highly doubt it'll be superior to comparable offerings from Poorboys, Menzerna, Meguiar's, Optimum, 3M, or any other product we're all used to seeing, but I AM convinced that it will be a quality offering that I'll find a use for.



As Autopians, keeping an open mind is key. People that glorify a certain line are doing the EXACT opposite. No matter who you are, you can't deny that Zaino's marketing descriptions are both misleading and brew a whole bunch of ignorance from people that don't know any better. They are not focused towards "exotic" or rare paint jobs. You're only kidding yourself if you think so.
 
Well said-the people who push Zaino the hardest and criticise other product lines have pretty much convinced me to never try it.
 
See, that kind of mindset is wrong. You should try it to form your own opinion.



Just don't listen to the ones who push it like God hand created the whole line, it's as easy as that.
 
tailwind said:
Just don't listen to the ones who push it like God hand created the whole line, it's as easy as that.
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Exactly. Don't pay attention to any car-club show and shine subforum (mustang, fbody, vette, bimmer, etc) where they know nothing. Listen to autopians who are more objective and knowledgeable. :xyxthumbs
 
maybe in the future I'll reconsider but the exaggerated product descriptions don't sit well with me. It reminds me of a business article I read about telling your customers true lies. A glass manufacturer told its customers that the shape of its glasses made wine taste better. to prove their point they then had the customer do a taste test with their glass(A) and a competitors glass(B). The customers agreed that the wine in glass A tasted better.But when a blind taste test was administered the testers could not tell a differnece in taste. Now I'm not claiming that Zaino is the only company to exaggerate a bit to sell their product as most manufacturers do this to some extent.
 
The thing that irritates me is people who bash a product without trying it first. I use Zaino and have so for the last 3 years but I do so because I like the long lasting protection. I wash very regularly but want the sealant to last. I have found nothing that will last longer than Zaino.



I've got some of the Z-PC on order and I have high expectations but I don't expect it to blow Menzerna out of the water......I would be happy if it matches it.
 
SpoiledMan said:
I thought that the Menzerna polishes as well as AIO were suitable with Zaino. Did they suddenly become an incompatible piece of the puzzle? They wipe clean and don't have fillers right?
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SpoiledMan,

The products you mention do work and very well from my experiences. One always had to look outside the Zaino line for a finaling polish. Thru much experimenting and introduction by vendors like CMA of some water-based products (i.e Menzerna) we have been able to find products that work well with Z and I have been using many of them and others for years.



Z-CP is Zaino's developed polish for his system. Not a new polishing genre, not a product intended to make one abandon a product that has been working for an individual, not the next thing since "polishing" bread, but a product that anyone using the Z system can be absolutely sure that Z protectants will work perfectly and is 100% compatible.

One can grab his/her bottles of Z products (Z7, Z-PC, Z polishing and ZFX, Z6 and Z8) off the shelf at home and proceed to polish/cleanse/protect/highlite their finish without hesitation or doing a reassuring pre-cleaning (Dawn or IPA).



There have been many unfounded concerns about the Dawn wash. This unsettling to some protocol can now be abandoned and a Z7 wash and Z-PC can be used in its place for oil/silicone removal as a last step before applying protection.
 
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