New Zaino Paint Cleanser

[JamRWS6]

Totally agree.



It is a shame that every Zaino post ends up a discussion defending the Zaino system and not the product or technique being discussed. There seems to be no such thing as a casual Zaino thread.

It's a good thing that every time a QEW thread is posted the "Hose and Bucket only choir" doesn't chime to add disharmony by pointing out the evils of not doing it their way and that QEW users are misinformed and are just blind to the swirls they are producing.



:idea Yes, I once was lost (by choice and desired to test other LSP regimens), but now I have found the system (Zaino) that meets my very discriminating taste. This is not to state that whatever you use is inferior, but I do hope your passion for what you use is as passionate as many Zaino users.

Detailing is a passion and we will have passionate discussions. Let's keep it detailing oriented and not a personal bias against a product, company, technique, poster or website.



I use Zaino, along with many other fine products, and swear by it performance and value to me.

Please do not hate me (us) for that. :bigups

Very well said. Zaino meets my needs better than any other product which is why I use it. :2thumbs:



Just from what I have seen (not trying to stir the pot)..99% of people who say they hate or dislike Zaino either have not tried the product..or did not apply it correctly. I use other products as well but I can't bring myself to hate on something that is so friendly to use around trim and lasts so long. If you don't like the sheen..apply the Zaino and then top with whatever you like and have the longest lasting protection with the look of your choice. Just my 2 cents.

 

[imported_memnuts]

And level-headedness reigns once again. Now I know why I returned back to Autopia after almost dumping it a few months ago.



Back on topic: for anyone that's d ZPC, have you used it with different pads? It is it like OCP (okay patrick, the BIG O ) in that it can be very effective and provide different cut levels depending on the pad you use? Or is really meant to be used only with a light cut pad (i.e. LC white. etc...)?

Like all polishes the pad selection will be part of the equation. I use Z-PC Fusion with both a polishing and finishing pad depending on the surface condition. This adds to the range in which one has to repair surface marring with Z-PC or any mild polish. Results with Z-PC using the polishing and/or finishing pad have been excellent on my vehicles.

I rarely use cuttings pads (I pull out the rotary and higher abrasives (i.e Menzerna IP or Meg Light Cut) with polishing pad) so have no personal experience with this regimen using Z-PC.

 

[Intercooled]

Totally agree.



It is a shame that every Zaino post ends up a discussion defending the Zaino system and not the product or technique being discussed. There seems to be no such thing as a casual Zaino thread.

It's a good thing that every time a QEW thread is posted the "Hose and Bucket only choir" doesn't chime to add disharmony by pointing out the evils of not doing it their way and that QEW users are misinformed and are just blind to the swirls they are producing.



:idea Yes, I once was lost (by choice and desired to test other LSP regimens), but now I have found the system (Zaino) that meets my very discriminating taste. This is not to state that whatever you use is inferior, but I do hope your passion for what you use is as passionate as many Zaino users.

Detailing is a passion and we will have passionate discussions. Let's keep it detailing oriented and not a personal bias against a product, company, technique, poster or website.



I use Zaino, along with many other fine products, and swear by it performance and value to me.

Please do not hate me (us) for that. :bigups

Well said Blk Z. I totaly agree. Zaino might not be for everyone. Its all about personal tastes. I guess because it works well for me and better than anything else I've used. I'm guilty of being a proud user.



Blk Z, I always enjoy reading your threads and you always keep your cool. That in itself speaks alot for yourself and the Zaino product that you endorse. I have learned alot about z application and techniques from you!! :bigups

 

[Anthony O.]

Anthony - I'm just curious if you've used Z2 Pro, Z8, or Z-PC?



I think all of your "nazi" and "other forums" talk should stay in "other" forums if it's not the case here. Seems to be stirring the pot for no good reason.

The Zaino I have is over 2 years old......sheesh, I am not even sure if it is still good? Anyone know the shelf life of Zaino?



My mention of Zaino nazi's and other forums was meant to be in good standing with Autopia as in it sets itself apart from these "other forums". If this has offended people that I do apologize, not my intention.



Now I will say that I love the Zaino glass polish, perhaps the best wipe on glass polish I have used to date. The Zaino QD is also nice when used within the system and I have also found that it works well with FMJ but it is not cost effective to be used on a professional basis.



Anthony

 

[imported_Jinba ittai]

The Zaino I have is over 2 years old......sheesh, I am not even sure if it is still good? Anyone know the shelf life of Zaino?

This is from the Zaino website:



When stored at average room temperature between 65° and 75° degrees, shelf life is as follows:



Z-1 For optimum results, use before 3 years.

Z-2 For optimum results, use before 3 years.

Z-3 For optimum results, use before 3 years.

Z-5 For optimum results, use before 3 years.

Z-6 5+ years

Z-7 5+ years

Z-9 5+ years

Z-10 For optimum results, use before 2 years.

Z-12 For optimum results, use before 2 years.

Z-14 For optimum results, use before 2 years.

Z-16 3 to 5 years

Z-18 5 years +

ZFX For optimum results, keep tightly capped, avoiding moisture. Use before 18 months.





I have a half-filled bottle of "old style" Z2 that has to be going on 4 years old. There have been a few versions since then. This one is a dark tan color and while I won't use it to apply a coat on my car it's fine for removing tar spots on the rocker panels. :waxing:



I've used several products over the years. I like Zaino because it's easy to use and really brings out an incredible shine on my red car. It goes on and comes off with minimal effort and dusting and you don't have to worry about getting it on black trim, which is a bonus. I love it's durability and resistance to bugs and waterspotting. I like that it cleans easily. I really like it's systematic approach when it comes to detailing my car. I've recommended it to many people. Some have taken my advice and have used it and liked it. Others choose not and prefer other products. I don't take it personally. It's not like it's my religion. It's just a product that works well for me. I don't even use it on all my cars, preferring to use NXT on the family car for the time being because NXT is a bit easier to use and more accessible.



BTW, this isn't the only forum that gets in an uproar about Zaino. :hide: It's amazing the effect this stuff has on people. :laugh:

 

[HCF]

In the past I've used many different products with good results. Zaino process can take a little long and proper prep is a must but the results its produced for me on my Indigo blue truck are amazing. People are always gonna complain about something be price, prep time bla bla bla. But you can never make everyone happy. So to each his own, don't knock if you ain't tried it. I chose the Z process because it works for me and gets the results I'm looking for with lasting protection.

 

[dogma]

Well, I used my new ZPC this weekend, I had been using #80 with great results. I also have FP II but I thought the #80 worked better. As was said before there are no fillers in the ZPC ( thats where Z5 comes in ). I used with a PC7424 ( only 3rd or 4th time I used it ). First thing I noticed after doing a section that clean up was easy and no oily residue like with the other 2. Second the section was clean, I mean squeaky clean and smooth. Third it didn't sling ( but that might just be me getting better with the PC ). My car is virtually pefect any way( Z5,Z2 pro and Z8 ) and came out excellent as always. So I decided to do my wifes Dark metalic blue Honda van ( abused by wife and kids )

I had been using #80 and Souvran with great results but little durability. So I used ZPC ( white pad I got from CMA ) then 2 coats of Z5 ( what ever ZPC didn't take out Z5 hid, I did't want to use the orange pad just yet I am still new at this ) ,2 coats of Z2 pro and then Z8. The results were breath taking, I will get some pics.

 

[Intercooled]

It is amazing how different ZCP is to what weve all been using for so long. Oil products with fillers. Like Dogma said, what ZCP leaves behind Z5 will take care of it.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

It is amazing how different ZCP is to what weve all been using for so long. Oil products with fillers. Like Dogma said, what ZCP leaves behind Z5 will take care of it.

Anybody tried ZPC with a rotary yet? I'm waiting to try my bottle until I get my rotary from harbor freight.... I don't feel like taking the nice fresh coats of Z2Pro off my truck that were just put on last week. :nervous2:

 

[chevyguy28]

It is amazing how different ZCP is to what weve all been using for so long. Oil products with fillers.

What kind of polishes have you used in the past? I don't imagine certain Menzerna polishes can be considered so far off, as they aren't oil products with fillers. Could be wrong.



- J

 

[stevet]

What kind of polishes have you used in the past? I don't imagine certain Menzerna polishes can be considered so far off, as they aren't oil products with fillers. Could be wrong.



- J

Your not wrong. Menzerna is filler free for sure and they are excellent polishes.

 

[Intercooled]

Your not wrong. Menzerna is filler free for sure and they are excellent polishes.

I agree, I use Menzerna also and I like what they do. IMO ZCP is has zero fillers and oil, It diminishes so fast. Menzerna takes a bit ti diminish ans IMO contains some oil and/or filler, thought slight. But again menzerna is excellent. I believe FPII has more filler/oil than the original FP. If you experience ZCP you'll know what I mean.

 

[chevyguy28]

I wonder then, if PO85RD is okay to use before Zaino without a wash, or not. Sounds like ZPC breaks down a bit faster with a PC (perhaps due to less oil, which may buffer the abrasives like water), but that would be the only other reason for me to buy it.



- J

 

[dogma]

I thought that #80 did a better job than FP II for me , by hand or PC. I know they both have oils , I am not sure if FP II has fillers ,but #80 definately does. 3M SMR did absolutey nothing for me.



IMO the ZPC is the best I have used for my needs and the combo of ZPC and Z5 can't be beat. I have all these products at my disposal and choose to use Zaino. I don't want to turn this into a debate because I like Menzerna products a lot. If it wasn't for Zaino thats what I probably would use.

 

[Intercooled]

IMO the ZPC is the best I have used for my needs and the combo of ZPC and Z5 can't be beat. I have all these products at my disposal and choose to use Zaino. I don't want to turn this into a debate because I like Menzerna products a lot. If it wasn't for Zaino thats what I probably would use.

I agree :xyxthumbs

The Zcp is just different, Its hard to explain how it works. It works very quickly and it works well. I think in the future for heavy swirls I'll use Menzerna IP and finish with ZCP. Then its off to the Z layers!

 

[imported_DennisH]

I thought that #80 did a better job than FP II for me , by hand or PC. I know they both have oils , I am not sure if FP II has fillers ,but #80 definately does. 3M SMR did absolutey nothing for me.



IMO the ZPC is the best I have used for my needs and the combo of ZPC and Z5 can't be beat. I have all these products at my disposal and choose to use Zaino. I don't want to turn this into a debate because I like Menzerna products a lot. If it wasn't for Zaino thats what I probably would use.

Not to start a debate but you are using ZPC because it dosn't have fillers than you Z5 that contains fillers. So what is the big deal about not using a polish without fillers? I also try to avoid polishes with fillers but I try not to use anything that has fillers in a LSP either.

 

[ZaneO]

Not to start a debate but you are using ZPC because it dosn't have fillers than you Z5 that contains fillers. So what is the big deal about not using a polish without fillers? I also try to avoid polishes with fillers but I try not to use anything that has fillers in a LSP either.

I would think that in that case, the appearance of Z5 is what is being sought...not the fillers. All of the defects are actually removed and nothing is filled.

 

[imported_DennisH]

I agree, I use Menzerna also and I like what they do. IMO ZCP is has zero fillers and oil, It diminishes so fast. Menzerna takes a bit ti diminish ans IMO contains some oil and/or filler, thought slight. But again menzerna is excellent. I believe FPII has more filler/oil than the original FP. If you experience ZCP you'll know what I mean.

I probably wrong but I was told that the oil was in polishes to slow down the diminishing of the abrasaves which allows them enough time to do there work. If the abrasaves diminishes to quickly isn't that a bad thing not good thing. Seems that having bad swirls you would want it to diminish more slowly then if you had minor swirls. Also I was told that oil help prevent marring of the surface -- true of false.

 

[imported_DennisH]

I would think that in that case, the appearance of Z5 is what is being sought...not the fillers. All of the defects are actually removed and nothing is filled.

I do have Z5 Z2PRO Z6 Z8.



I always consider Z5 as Zanio version of a glaze with durability and used to fill very small swirls and just a step prior apply Z2Pro as a LSP. Question answered...

 

[Matt M PA]

I think just one reason for ZPC is to avoid the middle step of re-washing after using some other polishes/glazes, in an effort to rid the surface of oils that may affect Zaino's adherence.



This thread is a Duesie though, huh? I am often amazed at how much attention any thread mentioning Zaino is. To me, it says something. It seems that Zaino is often used as the benchmark to which other products are aimed. In the grand scheme of things, Zaino is not a huge volume makers, yet it seems to be the product that is always compared to. (It's kind of like accoustic guitar companies always comparing to Martin & Company here in PA.) Even a huge company like Meguiars' is taking shots at Zaino on their forums making comparisons. You have seen them...."10 coats of Zaino vs 1 coat of NXT", for example. (Of course, they forget to mention that the vehicle was rotary wheel, glazed, etc, by some of the best detailers there are....THEN a coat of NXTor whatever went on.)