My Ultima Experience

Well, you've got the flying hook up so......FLY ME UP! I'd be happy to help you. I'll take a little Vintaaaaaaage in trade.:D
 
Here's a few pictures of the car after today's first post-UPGP ONR wash and QD. Take a look at the sun reflection shots and compare them to the ones on page one. See how the page one shots look a bit milky/hazy compared to how clear the ones shown here look? *That's* what I'm trying to explain... whether it's on the glass or on the paint, UPGP gives the paint a bit of a milky look to it. It's very easy to see on the glass, and *extremely* hard to see on the paint. You can't see it at all without the help of the reflected sun. Please excuse the finger prints on the hood shot.:o I was testing the slickness.



Anyway, the car definitely looks better now than it did in the page one pics.



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[quote name='SuperBee364']Here's a few pictures of the car after today's first post-UPGP ONR wash and QD. Take a look at the sun reflection shots and compare them to the ones on page one. See how the page one shots look a bit milky/hazy compared to how clear the ones shown here look? *That's* what I'm trying to explain... whether it's on the glass or on the paint, UPGP gives the paint a bit of a milky look to it. It's very easy to see on the glass, and *extremely* hard to see on the paint. You can't see it at all without the help of the reflected sun. Please excuse the finger prints on the hood shot.:o I was testing the slickness.



Anyway, the car definitely looks better now than it did in the page one pics.



I guess I like the page ONE pics better. Not a fan of that milky look...:think:
 
NSXTASY said:
Certainly looks outstanding! Now we need a side by side Vintage shot.
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You wont see the difference in a digital picture.



Besides, we should be giving superbee credit for his prep work rather than for his UPGP application, that paint is beautiful and he finished with wool on a rotary.





Superbee next time you do this, throw in a pic randomly of just prep and no LSP and see if anyone figures out which one it is. Judging by how the sun looks in your paint, your prep work seems to be superb.
 
I see what you mean, superbee. You mean how the light is splayed out across the paint right? I would describe as "softening" the gloss. Rather than seeing a mirror reflection of pure light, you see what looks like someone having thrown a bucket of the sun over the car. At least that's what I see. Seems to me like the clarity of the image on the side of the car is still the same.



I like it.
 
ron231 said:
You wont see the difference in a digital picture.



Besides, we should be giving superbee credit for his prep work rather than for his UPGP application, that paint is beautiful and he finished with wool on a rotary.





Superbee next time you do this, throw in a pic randomly of just prep and no LSP and see if anyone figures out which one it is. Judging by how the sun looks in your paint, your prep work seems to be superb.
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Thanks, Ron, I really do try to do the best prep I can. For me, the polishing is the most fun and most rewarding part of detailing. :)









phamkl said:
I see what you mean, superbee. You mean how the light is splayed out across the paint right? I would describe as "softening" the gloss. Rather than seeing a mirror reflection of pure light, you see what looks like someone having thrown a bucket of the sun over the car. At least that's what I see. Seems to me like the clarity of the image on the side of the car is still the same.



I like it.
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That's exactly what I mean, phamkl. :) One of the reasons the sun looks bigger in today's pictures is that they were later in the day, with the sun lower in the sky. The pictures on page one were taken just after noon, with a higher angle, making the sun look smaller.. The main thing to compare is the way the sun is reflected around the edges of the sun spot. On page one, you'll notice that around the edges you can see more light spikes, and the edges also have a bit of a rainbow around them. That's the light not being reflected as well as in today's shots, which show very little spikes, and no rainbow color around the edges.



Thanks for the kind words, guys, it's much appreciated. :)
 
I'm not a believer in being able to tell the difference between LSPs in photos, and I don't know if the position of the sun had anything to do with it, but I have to admit that these latest photos of your car are my personal favorite compared to previous ones you've posted. You've got the hottest looking Charger I've seen!
 
I am a Zaino man, so just curious about this product, because on their site, they say why they are better than Zaino
 
Those recent pics stand out a lot more. That car looks amazing!



I'm sure with any QD wipe down after application of a WOWA product, it will enhance the shine and gloss as shown on your pics. It's amazing how a different product has it's own unique way of shine.



As for the milky windows, that must be a PIA, but I've never experienced any problems applying a WOWA product on windows, exept for little streaking. It's true that you can't overload products on windows because you'll run into problems where a simple wipe down can't remove excess product aka layering.



Keep us updated on durability :)
 
SuperBee364...you know for sure that the UPGP caused hazing on your windows. Sounds like others have seen the same thing also. So I don't think its a stretch to conclude that the slight milky hazing that you think you are seeing on your paint is really there. I don't think that a sealant would cure differently when its on glass compared to the paint do you? It just much easier to see it on the glass and probably harder to see on the paint depending on the color. Maybe the color of your car is revealing a flaw in the UPGP.
 
i dont think that bird will lend itself to a clean interior ;) your car looks fantastic, thank you for taking the time to write all this out. I visit this thread daily so I appreciate any further input you might have
 
I don't have the glass issue unless it's laid on heavy. It actually laid down on glass just fine on my first try which was is Arkansas in the summer. IME everything works easier for me there.
 
ron231 said:
You wont see the difference in a digital picture.



Besides, we should be giving superbee credit for his prep work rather than for his UPGP application, that paint is beautiful and he finished with wool on a rotary.





Superbee next time you do this, throw in a pic randomly of just prep and no LSP and see if anyone figures out which one it is. Judging by how the sun looks in your paint, your prep work seems to be superb.
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Good point, however, this thread is focused on SB's evaluation of Ultima, not the ability of



SB's paint preperation (while excellent). Considering this is a website, your first assertion



is a matter of perception, not a conclusive fact. If you take your first assertion as a fact,



then how can you tell the level of preperation? Your assertion implies that a digital



picture cannot accurately represent the intracacies of an object, if that was the case,



opinions of preperation or aesthetics cannot be properly drawn.
 
Just about every black car that I've posted in my C&B's since July has PGP on it. The lone exception was the Rav4. I also *have* a black car with PGP on it and don't see anything milky.
 
DJBAILEY said:
SuperBee364...you know for sure that the UPGP caused hazing on your windows. Sounds like others have seen the same thing also. So I don't think its a stretch to conclude that the slight milky hazing that you think you are seeing on your paint is really there. I don't think that a sealant would cure differently when its on glass compared to the paint do you? It just much easier to see it on the glass and probably harder to see on the paint depending on the color. Maybe the color of your car is revealing a flaw in the UPGP.
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That's eactly what I was thinking. :)



But again, that just might be imperfect application.
 
NSXTASY said:
Good point, however, this thread is focused on SB's evaluation of Ultima, not the ability of



SB's paint preperation (while excellent). Considering this is a website, your first assertion



is a matter of perception, not a conclusive fact. If you take your first assertion as a fact,



then how can you tell the level of preperation? Your assertion implies that a digital



picture cannot accurately represent the intracacies of an object, if that was the case,



opinions of preperation or aesthetics cannot be properly drawn.
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I think your logic is a bit flawed... He said that it was difficult to tell the differences of *LSP's* in digital pictures, *not* the ability to see how well paint has been prepped. A completely seperate assertion from the statement, " you can't tell how well a surface has been prepped in digital pictures." Kinda makes the rest of your logic fall apart, ya know?



It's quite easy to see how well paint has been prepped via photos. I hope the pictures I have taken show it well.
 
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