Opti-coat users: Whaddya think?

Rob Tomlin said:
No, he can't.



Really, I like making smart alleck comments and I'll pepper them around. If Dr G or Sal can't deal with my sarcasm that's their issue. But I have asked legitimate questions which were ignored in this thread. Is Dr G really adding ammonia to Opticoat? Did someone just misunderstand him? Or is there something else to it?
 
wannafbody said:
Really, I like making smart alleck comments and I'll pepper them around. If Dr G or Sal can't deal with my sarcasm that's their issue. But I have asked legitimate questions which were ignored in this thread. Is Dr G really adding ammonia to Opticoat? Did someone just misunderstand him? Or is there something else to it?





I think many of us around here can do without your sarcasm and "smart alleck" (sic) remarks.
 
Quote Thomas - Maybe Sal is wannafbody.



I know he isn't Sal is a stand up guy.



Well, the end is near - I just laughed and agreed with T.



Ya'll - ain't it time we stop feeding the troll?
 
Who cares why it may have ammonia in it, it may not be directly added but a ammonia like smell if I remember reading the label correctly. This could be due to stronger solvents, carriers, and by products of reaction when the product hits the air.



Great thing about the detailing market is if you dont like it there are many many other alternatives, and in this case there are about 3 that I know of. But I know one of them has a strong IPA smell. Most of the nano sealants are solvent carriers that need to evap out once applied and only a small part is actually a active part of the sealant.
 
I'm aware that IPA is used in some sealants. I have a bottle of one product that has a warning about prolonged skin contact with IPA. That one is a 16oz bottle so it's possible that it is a fairly small amount.
 
What's the big deal about ammonia? And why should Dr. G reveal to you or anyone else why it is or isn't in the product? You most likely won't ever use the product so why do you care?
 
Which one do you have that is 16oz? 16oz of the newer age nano sealants are mad expensive, $500-600 for 16oz. Only 3 true nano ones I know is Nanoex (sp), G|Tech, Opti-Coat, Aquartz. But dang, 16oz could do heck of alot of cars as you only need around 1oz/car to seal everything.
 
wannafbody said:
That's completely incorrect. I used a floor soap (not a floor polish) mixed with QD to make a no rinse wash-and it works well.



“The Second product at WM was ARMSTRONG floor cleaner.”



The Armstrong floor “cleaner” is a polish/sealer since it contains styrene butadiene acrylic resins. Here are links to the MSD Sheets for Europe and US:



http://www.floorexpert.com/Armstrong/fpoxpert.nsf/e65e17af3c811a5485256eba00710746/d76f2e893e57a4278525704c0067946d/$FILE/22137481.pdf/S-309%20S-337%20VF09.pdf



http://www.floorexpert.com/Armstrong/fpoxpert.nsf/e65e17af3c811a5485256eba00710746/d76f2e893e57a4278525704c0067946d/$FILE/S-309%2009%20Spray%20Cleaner.pdf



As you notice, EPA does not require listing of the acrylic resin on the MSDS or the label, however, the EU version does list it since it is a requirement for their MSDS and labels. I hope this goes to show you that MSDS only provides limited information.



As I said before, these resins are for interior application and in direct sun light they turn yellow in the short term and turn cloudy and chalky after several months. It is your prerogative to continue misusing this product on your own car(s), however, I hope that you have enough integrity to stop telling others to wash their cars with this type of product since it will cause damage to their automotive finishes. I am also assuming that you do not offer any warranties for your product suggestions/recommendations. You can contact Armstrong to find out how to remove these resins from your car. Good luck.
 
wannafbody said:
If Dr G or Sal can't deal with my sarcasm that's their issue.



Actually, it's everyone's issue. I'm personally so sick of thread locks due to childish sarcasm I've almost stopped posting on this forum entirely.



If you have a question that wasn't answered in full there are ways to ask it without further degrading the quality of a thread.
 
To OPT, thanks, I wasn't aware of the potential issue with Armstrong soap. I am aware that some soaps contain both acrylic polymers and styrene polymers since I have seen those listed on the ingredient list.



As for the ammonia issue, did you tell someone you add ammonia to OC or did they misunderstand? I know that ammonia is used to strip waxes so adding it is a bit of a mystery to me. Just curious.
 
agpatel said:
Which one do you have that is 16oz? 16oz of the newer age nano sealants are mad expensive, $500-600 for 16oz. Only 3 true nano ones I know is Nanoex (sp), G|Tech, Opti-Coat, Aquartz. But dang, 16oz could do heck of alot of cars as you only need around 1oz/car to seal everything.



None, Kit Pearl Glo spray list IPA as an ingredient. I suspect that it is a discontinued product-maybe due to VOC regs.
 
wannafbody said:
As for the ammonia issue, did you tell someone you add ammonia to OC or did they misunderstand? I know that ammonia is used to strip waxes so adding it is a bit of a mystery to me. Just curious.



What is it with the ammonia? Someone said it had a strong smell, like ammonia...were they a smell & taste expert who can identify a chemical compound accurately by smell? Ammonia may be used to strip floor waxes, but we've established that Opti-Coat isn't remotely like a floor wax, so why would you presume that Opti-Coat would be harmed by ammonia, anyway? Besides, we are talking about a chemical reaction taking place (unlike a carnauba wax which is simply dissolved in solvent, and after application the solvent evaporates leaving the wax), so even if there were an ammonia compound present, it would be part of a reaction and would likely be converted or consumed as part of the reaction.



As in my previous silicone caulk example, many of them are acetic acid cure; but when they are cured, do they still smell like vinegar? Do they still have acetic acid in them after they are cured? If you take, say, a tube of two-part 5-minute epoxy, individually those compounds may have an odor, and be an irritant, but mix them together, let them fully cure, and you have a resultant product that is fairly inert, without a significant odor, and one you can expose to your skin without irritation.



People (like Dr. G) actually go to school for a long time to learn about these kinds of things, and how to design chemical products based on knowledge and understanding (like any kind of engineering or applied science); why do you think you as a layman will really be able to understand the intricacies of a product like this? I can just picture Dr. G explaining in great detail the molecular theory of Opti-Coat to you, and at the end you saying "ok, but why do you add ammonia to it?"
 
What the hell happend to this thread? I have missed out on the last few pages so I decided to read up and catch up on the Opti Coat and I come to see everyone b****ing like junior high kids. So this thread will probably be closed soon and there will probably be un answered questions about something that could revolutionize the detailing community. Good job guys, I'm proud to be an autopian :down
 
Well, I'm curious as to the ammonia smell. My bottle of Kit Pearl Glo polish has a bit of an ammonia smell and it's an acrylic polymer formula. I wonder if OptiCoat is a similar base. Pearl Glo also has a sheeting action very similar to Opticoat.



Also, I suspect that someone misunderstood Dr G and that he isn't adding in ammonia. I'm sure Dr G wouldn't intentionally misinform someone about his product.
 
wannafbody said:
That's completely incorrect. I used a floor soap (not a floor polish) mixed with QD to make a no rinse wash-and it works well.



I think it is now safe to say that your credibility has been pretty much shot to hell at this point.
 
Here's some info on a PPG product:



The polymeric platicizers according to a preferred embodiment of the present invention can be utilized to modify air-dried lacquer compositions which contain no curing agent as well as compositions which comprise a polymeric polyol in combination with an aliphatic polyisocyanate curing agent. The first type of composition is exemplified by an air-dried acrylic polymer lacquer sold by PPG Industries, Inc. under the trademark DURACRYL.
 
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