Opti-coat users: Whaddya think?

wannafbody said:
Integrity Detail, thanks for that info. That's quite interesting. Did DR G happen to mention whether other Optimum products would bond to Opticoat?
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You are welcome. Yes, you can top the Coating with anything you like...it just cannot be layered upon its self.
 
I recently joined autopia since I strongly support the direction it is going under the new management. There are very few forums that are as open and none have anywhere as much information as this forum offers. Unfortunately some abuse this openness to share not information but rather disinformation so I was asked by some of my close friends and colleagues to read this discussion and set the record straight. I think this discussion was started in the true sense of sharing knowledge and experience but some for various reasons, perhaps for fear of new technologies, or perhaps other agenda, are mixing up fiction with facts.



I have seen many times where people talk about products that are bodyshop safe yet when we paint over them, we get nothing but craters and fish eyes with these products. There are products that people claim only to have amino functional silicone sealants (good silicones) and not to have silicone oils (bad silicones) yet a quick test on infrared spectrometer shows a mix of silicone sealants and hydrocarbon modified silicone oils. The sellers of these products might not even be aware of what is in these products since they might just have a manufacturer make these products for them. That is however, not the case with Optimum products. Every product is designed and manufactured in our plant in Memphis, TN. Each and every product goes through rigorous testing in our labs before we send it to highly qualified and knowledgeable professionals to test it under various conditions independently. In the case of Opti-Coat, we have been developing the resins and making the prepolymers since 2004. It has been tested for gloss, clarity of the finish, durability, UV resistance, paintability, removability, scratch and mar resistance, and chemical etch resistance. As with all Optimum Car Care products, this product is guaranteed to perform 100% if applied correctly. Because of the nature of this product, however, we only offer it to qualified applicants and once they fully understand the scope of how to use this product.



Again it is unfortunate that people who have no interest in this product and more than likely do not meet our requirements, are trying to disseminate false information about it. One last thing, if anyone is concerned about their automotive finish, I would strongly advise them against using floor polishes on their paint. These products are designed for interior use and contain styrene butadiene acrylic polymers that have conjugated unsaturation. These react under UV light with oxygen and turn yellow. Additionally, they can cross-link and bond to the clearcoat and cause it to fail. There are many great car wash soaps available, however, using floor polishes can be detrimental to automotive finishes.
 
OPT said:
I recently joined autopia since I strongly support the direction it is going under the new management. There are very few forums that are as open and none have anywhere as much information as this forum offers. Unfortunately some abuse this openness to share not information but rather disinformation so I was asked by some of my close friends and colleagues to read this discussion and set the record straight. I think this discussion was started in the true sense of sharing knowledge and experience but some for various reasons, perhaps for fear of new technologies, or perhaps other agenda, are mixing up fiction with facts.



I have seen many times where people talk about products that are bodyshop safe yet when we paint over them, we get nothing but craters and fish eyes with these products. There are products that people claim only to have amino functional silicone sealants (good silicones) and not to have silicone oils (bad silicones) yet a quick test on infrared spectrometer shows a mix of silicone sealants and hydrocarbon modified silicone oils. The sellers of these products might not even be aware of what is in these products since they might just have a manufacturer make these products for them. That is however, not the case with Optimum products. Every product is designed and manufactured in our plant in Memphis, TN. Each and every product goes through rigorous testing in our labs before we send it to highly qualified and knowledgeable professionals to test it under various conditions independently. In the case of Opti-Coat, we have been developing the resins and making the prepolymers since 2004. It has been tested for gloss, clarity of the finish, durability, UV resistance, paintability, removability, scratch and mar resistance, and chemical etch resistance. As with all Optimum Car Care products, this product is guaranteed to perform 100% if applied correctly. Because of the nature of this product, however, we only offer it to qualified applicants and once they fully understand the scope of how to use this product.



Again it is unfortunate that people who have no interest in this product and more than likely do not meet our requirements, are trying to disseminate false information about it. One last thing, if anyone is concerned about their automotive finish, I would strongly advise them against using floor polishes on their paint. These products are designed for interior use and contain styrene butadiene acrylic polymers that have conjugated unsaturation. These react under UV light with oxygen and turn yellow. Additionally, they can cross-link and bond to the clearcoat and cause it to fail. There are many great car wash soaps available, however, using floor polishes can be detrimental to automotive finishes.
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Welcome to the forum - as a detailing enthusiast it is great to have some of the manufacturers contribute, too. On a personal note, I have to say that any of the Optimum products I have used have been excellent.
 
wannafbody said:
One potential issue is that if OptiCoat is applied by Detailer A and then the car is sold someone else-either a body shop or detailer might not have a clue as to what is on the vehicle.
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Oh come on! That body shop or detailer has no clue NOW as to what is on the vehicle...what kind of factory, dealer, body shop, amateur body work/paint has been done to it, or how much a previous detailer has polished off, or silicone gunk they've put on.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Oh come on! That body shop or detailer has no clue NOW as to what is on the vehicle...what kind of factory, dealer, body shop, amateur body work/paint has been done to it, or how much a previous detailer has polished off, or silicone gunk they've put on.
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Very true. It's a crapshoot because anything could be put on any vehicle. I've read of some of the stories where body shops have had to call owners and ask what was applied to a vehicle because they couldn't get it off. I won't mention the product but it wasn't Optimum-so don't imply that I'm implying something that I'm not:wavey



Interesting to learn that Optimum makes their own polymers. I've just never heard of adding ammonia to a polymer. I guess you learn something every day.
 
Again it is unfortunate that people who have no interest in this product and more than likely do not meet our requirements, are trying to disseminate false information about it. One last thing, if anyone is concerned about their automotive finish, I would strongly advise them against using floor polishes on their paint. These products are designed for interior use and contain styrene butadiene acrylic polymers that have conjugated unsaturation. These react under UV light with oxygen and turn yellow. Additionally, they can cross-link and bond to the clearcoat and cause it to fail. There are many great car wash soaps available, however, using floor polishes can be detrimental to automotive finishes. (end quote)



I sure hope that wasn't directed at me. I'm not a professional detailer and I've got nothing to gain by spreading any false information(about any product) which I don't believe that I have. I've simply asked some questions and presented an opposing viewpoint.
 
OPT said:
One last thing, if anyone is concerned about their automotive finish, I would strongly advise them against using floor polishes on their paint. These products are designed for interior use and contain styrene butadiene acrylic polymers that have conjugated unsaturation. These react under UV light with oxygen and turn yellow. Additionally, they can cross-link and bond to the clearcoat and cause it to fail. There are many great car wash soaps available, however, using floor polishes can be detrimental to automotive finishes.
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Welcome and thank you for your contribution to our knowledge base. :)



Just a question on the above quote: why are you mentioning floor polishes? Are you implying some auto LSP (like LG) are chemically the same as floor polishes?
 
2005GTPinMD said:
Welcome to the forum - as a detailing enthusiast it is great to have some of the manufacturers contribute, too. On a personal note, I have to say that any of the Optimum products I have used have been excellent.
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I second the above!

Great to have you on board.
 
OPT said:
Again it is unfortunate that people who have no interest in this product and more than likely do not meet our requirements, are trying to disseminate false information about it. One last thing, if anyone is concerned about their automotive finish, I would strongly advise them against using floor polishes on their paint. These products are designed for interior use and contain styrene butadiene acrylic polymers that have conjugated unsaturation. These react under UV light with oxygen and turn yellow. Additionally, they can cross-link and bond to the clearcoat and cause it to fail. There are many great car wash soaps available, however, using floor polishes can be detrimental to automotive finishes.
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Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark. Well said and welcome to the forum. Especially appreciate the fact that you could take the time to post here.
 
wannafbody said:
Interesting to learn that Optimum makes their own polymers. I've just never heard of adding ammonia to a polymer. I guess you learn something every day.
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I bit my tongue on this before...I'm pretty sure ammonia isn't just "added" to this product. That's kind of like cracking open a tube of silicone caulk that smells like vinegar (acetic acid) and saying "hey, why is GE putting vinegar in my caulk?!?!". It's not "added", it's part of the chemical makeup of the product that makes it work.
 
Alfisti said:
Just a question on the above quote: why are you mentioning floor polishes? Are you implying some auto LSP (like LG) are chemically the same as floor polishes?
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Not to speak for Dr. G but, the comment was made in reference to a thread where some were saying they could get the same, if not better results from a floor polish as they could from ONR when used in the same manner...
 
Deep Gloss Auto Salon said:
Not to speak for Dr. G but, the comment was made in reference to a thread where some were saying they could get the same, if not better results from a floor polish as they could from ONR when used in the same manner...
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That's completely incorrect. I used a floor soap (not a floor polish) mixed with QD to make a no rinse wash-and it works well.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I bit my tongue on this before...I'm pretty sure ammonia isn't just "added" to this product. That's kind of like cracking open a tube of silicone caulk that smells like vinegar (acetic acid) and saying "hey, why is GE putting vinegar in my caulk?!?!". It's not "added", it's part of the chemical makeup of the product that makes it work.
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So are you suggesting that the ammonia smell is a result of either the chemical base, additives, or solvents used?
 
wannafbody said:
So are you suggesting that the ammonia smell is a result of either the chemical base, additives, or solvents used?
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Yes, of course! Why else would it smell like that? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I kind of doubt Dr. G was trying to create a product fragrance like that.



I mean really, why do tires have carbon black in them? Not to change the color. Paints have solvents and other ingredients in them to make the product work as intended, not to modify the aroma. It's called chemical engineering because there are chemicals involved, and some chemicals have distintive odors.
 
wannafbody said:
That's completely incorrect. I used a floor soap (not a floor polish) mixed with QD to make a no rinse wash-and it works well.
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hOLY CRAP... COMPLETELY INCORRECT?? Floor polish/floor soap one in the same to me... Tomatoe - Toe mawto...
 
Deep Gloss Auto Salon said:
hOLY CRAP... COMPLETELY INCORRECT?? Floor polish/floor soap one in the same to me... Tomatoe - Toe mawto...
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Floor polish contains an acrylic sealant. Floor soap is just rinseless soap. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that there is a difference but you do have to be able to read a label.
 
wannafbody said:
Floor polish contains an acrylic sealant. Floor soap is just rinseless soap. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that there is a difference but you do have to be able to read a label.
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Look man, I am not going to get into an internet pissing match with you as you seem quite familiar with this type of thing and I have much better uses of my time.,...



As such, this will be my last reply to you due to your condescending and generally abrasive, non value added nature....



Labels ALWAYS tell the truth right.... I mean ALL detailing products that say "polish" are just that right...I mean there is NO WAY a sealant would EVER have the label say a polish right??



I don't know what high horse you are on or what your attitude is all about but it is pure rubbish... Congrats on being the 1st person on my "ignore" list... Now I just have to find that function on the new Autopia...
 
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