Opti-coat users: Whaddya think?

Wow, you're a little sensitive about being corrected after posting misleading information as to what processes I use on my vehicles.



I'd think falsifying labels would probably be illegal so I doubt that reputable companies would do so(I'm not claiming that Optimum does so). And I doubt they would misinform their consumers as to what ingredients are put into their products-especially if it's a case of a product outgassing. 3m and others put warning labels on products to warn consumers of potential issues even if they are remote and unlikely.
 
wannafbody said:
I sure hope that wasn't directed at me. I'm not a professional detailer and I've got nothing to gain by spreading any false information(about any product) which I don't believe that I have. I've simply asked some questions and presented an opposing viewpoint.
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Actually there is a term for what you did, and it's called FUD.
 
I don't get the argument here. I know that there are many people, both pro and enthusiast, that are very loyal to one particular brand and it seems to me that there is a bit of a rival between Optimum users and Zaino users but I can't grasp as to why that is?



The markets each is seeking to reach are different. One is mainly for enthusiast while one is mainly for the Pro/body shop users.



Wannafbody you have every right to ask questions if you're really seeking to understand the products but your questioning and attitude comes across more as arguing for the sake of arguing.



Let's be real honest here. If Opti-Coat had a "Z" on the label we wouldn't be having this conversation because the person questioning would be told to "call Sal, he will answer your questions" -OR- "Stop hating on Zaino!" You would perhaps be on these forums touting the incredible durability of another Zaino product......"Zaino does it again!"



Yet when asked why Sal doesn't come on and explain his products you chirp back with this brilliance....."He is counting his money" Maybe that's true. This would then possible mean that Sal is more interested in making money then answering questions......or maybe it just means he is a smart business man because he can produce at a low cost then sell at a high profit and since you buy his products what does that make you?



See how silly and petty things can get? And they are just car products!



Optimum is not out after the Zaino market, why? Again 2 different markets and there are plenty of users to support both plus many others so relax. You come across at times as if you feel Zaino is being threatened in some way and it effects you personally.



Anthony
 
It's evident to the reader who is knowledgeable and who just cant wrap their head around the new technology. I think the readers can tell for their selves who to listen to. Fortunately you don't have to know the formulation to be and end user for OptiCoat or any other automotive product. I say we all leave wannafbody alone to his speculations...and choice to use floor cleaner on his paint. I mean, after all it is his paint. That being said, I'm glad Dr. G made the clarification about polymers that are "indoor" and "outdoor" friendly so that no noobs come on, see wannafbody's post count, and think that playing chemist is the accepted norm of this community.
 
Anthony Orosco said:
I don't get the argument here. I know that there are many people, both pro and enthusiast, that are very loyal to one particular brand and it seems to me that there is a bit of a rival between Optimum users and Zaino users but I can't grasp as to why that is?



The markets each is seeking to reach are different. One is mainly for enthusiast while one is mainly for the Pro/body shop users.



Wannafbody you have every right to ask questions if you're really seeking to understand the products but your questioning and attitude comes across more as arguing for the sake of arguing.



Let's be real honest here. If Opti-Coat had a "Z" on the label we wouldn't be having this conversation because the person questioning would be told to "call Sal, he will answer your questions" -OR- "Stop hating on Zaino!" You would perhaps be on these forums touting the incredible durability of another Zaino product......"Zaino does it again!"



Yet when asked why Sal doesn't come on and explain his products you chirp back with this brilliance....."He is counting his money" Maybe that's true. This would then possible mean that Sal is more interested in making money then answering questions......or maybe it just means he is a smart business man because he can produce at a low cost then sell at a high profit and since you buy his products what does that make you?



See how silly and petty things can get? And they are just car products!



Optimum is not out after the Zaino market, why? Again 2 different markets and there are plenty of users to support both plus many others so relax. You come across at times as if you feel Zaino is being threatened in some way and it effects you personally.



Anthony
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^^^^ ....couldn't have said it better myself.



I started following this thread at its inception because (like SuperBee), I’m interested to see how well this product has been performing. Unfortunately, it quickly degenerated into “what if” scenarios based on assumptions about the removability of the product, legal waivers, etc. which really wasn't the point of the thread. I understand if a member brings up a concern but when explanations get easily dismissed and they don’t want to go out of their way to consult the source (and basically ignore them when they do chime in), it’s really pointless. ….and really obvious what their motives are.
 
wannafbody said:
Wow, you're a little sensitive about being corrected after posting misleading information as to what processes I use on my vehicles.



I'd think falsifying labels would probably be illegal so I doubt that reputable companies would do so(I'm not claiming that Optimum does so). And I doubt they would misinform their consumers as to what ingredients are put into their products-especially if it's a case of a product outgassing. 3m and others put warning labels on products to warn consumers of potential issues even if they are remote and unlikely.
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It's not falsifying labels. Zaino and Duragloss both label their sealants as polishes. Just how they define polishes I guess.
 
Anthony Orosco said:
I don't get the argument here. I know that there are many people, both pro and enthusiast, that are very loyal to one particular brand and it seems to me that there is a bit of a rival between Optimum users and Zaino users but I can't grasp as to why that is?



The markets each is seeking to reach are different. One is mainly for enthusiast while one is mainly for the Pro/body shop users.



Wannafbody you have every right to ask questions if you're really seeking to understand the products but your questioning and attitude comes across more as arguing for the sake of arguing.



Let's be real honest here. If Opti-Coat had a "Z" on the label we wouldn't be having this conversation because the person questioning would be told to "call Sal, he will answer your questions" -OR- "Stop hating on Zaino!" You would perhaps be on these forums touting the incredible durability of another Zaino product......"Zaino does it again!"



Yet when asked why Sal doesn't come on and explain his products you chirp back with this brilliance....."He is counting his money" Maybe that's true. This would then possible mean that Sal is more interested in making money then answering questions......or maybe it just means he is a smart business man because he can produce at a low cost then sell at a high profit and since you buy his products what does that make you?



See how silly and petty things can get? And they are just car products!



Optimum is not out after the Zaino market, why? Again 2 different markets and there are plenty of users to support both plus many others so relax. You come across at times as if you feel Zaino is being threatened in some way and it effects you personally.



Anthony
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Maybe that's your perspective, but if you remember I used to be quite skeptical of some of the claims made by Zaino users. Way before OptiCoat was announced I asked Sal if it was possible to make a product that could "fix" certain paint defects and be permanent. He indicated that certain things could be created within certain perameters that would accomplish certain goals but that he wasn't interested in making those products because there wasn't enough market to justify the cost in his opinion.



BTW, I'm not making any claim about OC being a hazardous material since I don't know what DR G is cooking up over the wood fire in the bathtub under the big oak tree next to the Jack Daniels plant but I have been in some places and have seen some resins, polymers and coatings and know just a couple things about how they are handled and disposed of to warn people that some stuff out there just might not be as safe as people assume it to be. But I must also add a legal disclaimer, in the words of Schultz, I KNOW NOTHING:)
 
wannafbody, apparently after u keep hammering Dr. G with all the hazerdous stuff and ammonia ****, he removed the "Warning Do Not Smell: Strong ammonia smell" from the label :har::har:



i wonder if someone inhales the product and falls sick if Opt would be liable :nervous2:
 
Anthony Orosco said:
I don't get the argument here. I know that there are many people, both pro and enthusiast, that are very loyal to one particular brand and it seems to me that there is a bit of a rival between Optimum users and Zaino users but I can't grasp as to why that is?



The markets each is seeking to reach are different. One is mainly for enthusiast while one is mainly for the Pro/body shop users.



Wannafbody you have every right to ask questions if you're really seeking to understand the products but your questioning and attitude comes across more as arguing for the sake of arguing.



Let's be real honest here. If Opti-Coat had a "Z" on the label we wouldn't be having this conversation because the person questioning would be told to "call Sal, he will answer your questions" -OR- "Stop hating on Zaino!" You would perhaps be on these forums touting the incredible durability of another Zaino product......"Zaino does it again!"



Yet when asked why Sal doesn't come on and explain his products you chirp back with this brilliance....."He is counting his money" Maybe that's true. This would then possible mean that Sal is more interested in making money then answering questions......or maybe it just means he is a smart business man because he can produce at a low cost then sell at a high profit and since you buy his products what does that make you?



See how silly and petty things can get? And they are just car products!



Optimum is not out after the Zaino market, why? Again 2 different markets and there are plenty of users to support both plus many others so relax. You come across at times as if you feel Zaino is being threatened in some way and it effects you personally.



Anthony
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Exactly, the Optimum products, and Opti-Coat in particular, are not marketed to people washing their cars with floor cleaner.
 
sockster said:
wannafbody, apparently after u keep hammering Dr. G with all the hazerdous stuff and ammonia ****, he removed the "Warning Do Not Smell: Strong ammonia smell" from the label :har::har:
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Where did you see this?
 
wannafbody said:
BTW, I'm not making any claim about OC being a hazardous material since I don't know what DR G is cooking up over the wood fire in the bathtub under the big oak tree next to the Jack Daniels plant but I have been in some places and have seen some resins, polymers and coatings and know just a couple things about how they are handled and disposed of to warn people that some stuff out there just might not be as safe as people assume it to be. But I must also add a legal disclaimer, in the words of Schultz, I KNOW NOTHING:)
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You just can't resist making a snotty, condescending remark, can you? Seems like every post you've made in this thread is with the intention of denigrating Optimum products or Dr. G. I've seen his manufacturing plant and I can assure you it isn't some low budget, bathtub homebrew dump. He has his Ph.D. and Master's degrees in Polymer and Organic Chemistry from Oregon State University and his MBA from University of Memphis. He isn't some guy simply throwing chemicals together and hoping for the best. You obviously have an agenda here that goes beyond simply being inquisitive about Opti-Coat and Optimum products in general and everyone (other than your little buddy sockster) reading this thread knows it
 
GatorJ said:
Exactly, the Optimum products, and Opti-Coat in particular, are not marketed to people washing their cars with floor cleaner.
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Ouch, I'm going over to the corner to cry:har:



Seriously, soap isn't rocket science either. And Scott, obliviously you've missed where I've poked fun of Sal for layering 10,000 coats of Zaino on his Yugo:LOLOL



Maybe Dr G quit adding ammonia to OptiCoat:think:
 
Scottwax said:
You just can't resist making a snotty, condescending remark, can you? Seems like every post you've made in this thread is with the intention of denigrating Optimum products or Dr. G. I've seen his manufacturing plant and I can assure you it isn't some low budget, bathtub homebrew dump. He has his Ph.D. and Master's degrees in Polymer and Organic Chemistry from Oregon State University and his MBA from University of Memphis. He isn't some guy simply throwing chemicals together and hoping for the best. You obviously have an agenda here that goes beyond simply being inquisitive about Opti-Coat and Optimum products in general and everyone (other than your little buddy sockster) reading this thread knows it
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I'd like to add to what you said Scott and say that by making his own products, he certainly does know exactly how to label it and what is in it. Unlike the money counting "enthusiast's lineup." Polish...sealant "ah those saps will buy anything" back to counting my money.
 
Sal claims to make his own polymers as well(I wonder if he uses the old stainless tub he washes the dog with:think:). Soy polymers aren't exactly new technology-Henry Ford was using them 60 years ago but that is an improvement over other companies that continue to market products that are close to 100 years old. In reality, a lot of technology is just incremental improvements of existing products-well, except for Microsoft-I'm not sure that can even labeled an improvement anymore.



Maybe DR G can chime in and explain if or why he quit adding ammonia to OptiCoat-seriously, I'm curious:think:
 
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