Opti-coat users: Whaddya think?

Have any of those who've actually used Opticoat seen any documentation that shows that OptiCoat performs at a higher level than the clear coat on a vehicle as delivered by the manufacturer-or is all the hype about the product unfounded and undocumented?



Good question(question may not be the appropriate term, but for funs sake lets take your thinly veiled prose as a question) , while not officialy documented by any legal firm, yes in my experiance it does largely outperform factory clear coat in many respects.



It is definatly harder, beads well even after 2 years, makes washing the car much easier, and is more resistant to marring.



I do not believe that there has been any hype of unfounded claims(no positive claims are unfounded, some rather negative ones were voiced by some people who have never seen or used it for some absurd reason...) about Opti-coat. There has been many enthusiastic reviews and happy customers and I am sure in time to come it will be applauded for the product that it is, a new(better) way of detailing.

 
wannafbody said:
Have any of those who've actually used Opticoat seen any documentation that shows that OptiCoat performs at a higher level than the clear coat on a vehicle as delivered by the manufacturer-or is all the hype about the product unfounded and undocumented?
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I've put Opti Coat on several vehicles. On my personal truck that has had the coating on for 8 months now, it still has nice tight beads and bugs/road grime come off with ease. You can definetely see that Opti Coat is working. I know many other testers that have been using the coating for several years are still getting the same results. After David Fermanis post, you can see that the coating is holding up awesome after putting it through some pretty harsh tests.



Opti Coat is the real deal and the results speak for themselves.
 
Just found out that WannaFsumbody's new years resolution was to simultaneously ruin his credibility and to catch Scottwax in number of posts.



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(this is an attempt at humor and not a personal attack, Moderators remove if deemed inappropriate...but who are we kidding? If you took the time to remove what's inappropriate from THIS thread it'd take weeks :lol:grinno:)
 
I can say that Opti-Coat definitely outperforms my (at the time of application) 7 1/2 year old paint with regards to beading, dirt adhesion and slickness. It was as if I was working with fresh paint.



This was at 8 weeks showing how quickly the soap from a coin-op runs right off the paint of my Maxima. This was the 8th wash using their soap. I also did no special prep at all on my car since my original intention was to just apply it to the front bumper, wheels and mirrors. After seeing how good it looked, I applied it to my entire car over about 14 months worth of various waxes applied at least monthly since I bought the car.



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[quote name='reparebrise']Have any of those who've actually used Opticoat seen any documentation that shows that OptiCoat performs at a higher level than the clear coat on a vehicle as delivered by the manufacturer-or is all the hype about the product unfounded and undocumented?



Good question(question may not be the appropriate term, but for funs sake lets take your thinly veiled prose as a question) , while not officialy documented by any legal firm, yes in my experiance it does largely outperform factory clear coat in many respects.(end quote)





Thank you, that is a very fair response. I my self have formulated opinions based on observation of various products as well. But I wonder if it would be prudent for a manufacturer who is making and selling a permanent product to have documentation proving that the product is capable of outperforming the clearcoat over which it is being applied before others use the product. After all, if there isn't documentation showing that the permanent product outperforms the clearcoat in every aspect then there is really no sense putting it on in the first place. Maybe Dr G has that documentation and would share it for all potential customers.
 
wannafbody said:
Thank you, that is a very fair response. I my self have formulated opinions based on observation of various products as well. But I wonder if it would be prudent for a manufacturer who is making and selling a permanent product to have documentation proving that the product is capable of outperforming the clearcoat over which it is being applied before others use the product. After all, if there isn't documentation showing that the permanent product outperforms the clearcoat in every aspect then there is really no sense putting it on in the first place. Maybe Dr G has that documentation and would share it for all potential customers.
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You just don't know when to stop, do you? :rolleyes:
 
RickRack said:
Thanks Anthony!



That clears up a lot.



In your opinion, is it worth doing an additional coat right after the first, or is one coat fine? Does two coats add durability or better looks, or is it more to ensure ample coverage?



Also, you say it can be lightly polished after application. Will light polishing help "flow" out the coating? Will this add anything to the looks? How long do you wait before polishing it (48 hours)?





Thanks!

~Rick
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Hey Rick,



I just polished out a black Carerra which had heavy scratches in it. Then applied Opti-Coat with one layer on the majority of it and adding a second layer to only a few areas, mainly around the rear deck lid area. You'll find that odd shaped areas are trickier than door panels because your not sure all areas are being covered so 2 coats are good insurance in these places.



We always tell our Opti-Coat clients to come back in 2 weeks for a "test" of the coating to make sure we covered all areas. What we do is wet down the car and you'll know instantly if the coating has been applied properly and what areas, if any, have not been covered. Plus the clients think it looks pretty cool seeing the water beads and all.



I would not polish the coating for at least 48 hours after application. Also tell your clients to keep the car dry for at least 24 to 48 hours. After this time we can polish with a finishing pad and something like UltraFina to remove minor marring.



Our general course for such events is to always re-apply the coating to an area that may need to be buffed out. Now if it's a large area, say the whole hood, and the cause of it needing to be polished is beyond your "warranty coverage" (cat scratches, careless car washing, etc) then we may charge for the polish work but not for the Opti-Coat application. For small minor stuff we do it at no charge.



You should add an extra $150 to $300 to apply Opti-Coat on top of what you charge for paint correction.



We explain to our clients that Opti-Coat is much like a sealant (wax) but on steroids. It gives one all the properties of a sealant but on a more permanent basis.



Anthony
 
wannafbody said:
Have any of those who've actually used Opticoat seen any documentation that shows that OptiCoat performs at a higher level than the clear coat on a vehicle as delivered by the manufacturer-or is all the hype about the product unfounded and undocumented?
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I seek to reply to the general question here yet do so with caution....not wanting to create rabbit trails as we seem to have this thread back on track, so here goes.







I have never stated that Opti-Coat out performs a factory clear coat. If one would take the time to think deeply upon these questions they would come to the conclusion that while a OEM paint job is seen to be "permanent" it really isn't for even a factory clear coat can be polished/abraded off, removed via chemical process and also removed through age and deterioration. Everything is "permanent" until removed, much like one is invincible until they die.



Again, if one favors Pepsi over Coke does this then mean there must be documented evidence provided by the person to back up their claim.....or "hype"? Pepsi may well indeed claim they have the better tasting product but proof and tests mean nothing in the realm of subjectivity. So it is with car care products, it's subjective therefore Optimum, nor Zaino even, needs to put out documentation.
 
wannafbody said:
Have any of those who've actually used Opticoat seen any documentation that shows that OptiCoat performs at a higher level than the clear coat on a vehicle as delivered by the manufacturer-or is all the hype about the product unfounded and undocumented?
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Anyone else getting a mental image of visiting some neighbor's house that has one of those annoying little dogs that simply insists on humping your leg no matter what? You try to ignore your first instinct which is to simply slap the living crap out of the little darling hoping against hope the owner will take notice and finally intervene. We are RIGHT THERE.
 
GatorJ said:
Anyone else getting a mental image of visiting some neighbor's house that has one of those annoying little dogs that simply insists on humping your leg no matter what? You try to ignore your first instinct which is to simply slap the living crap out of the little darling hoping against hope the owner will take notice and finally intervene. We are RIGHT THERE.
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Anthony Orosco said:
I seek to reply to the general question here yet do so with caution....not wanting to create rabbit trails as we seem to have this thread back on track, so here goes.







I have never stated that Opti-Coat out performs a factory clear coat. If one would take the time to think deeply upon these questions they would come to the conclusion that while a OEM paint job is seen to be "permanent" it really isn't for even a factory clear coat can be polished/abraded off, removed via chemical process and also removed through age and deterioration. Everything is "permanent" until removed, much like one is invincible until they die.



Again, if one favors Pepsi over Coke does this then mean there must be documented evidence provided by the person to back up their claim.....or "hype"? Pepsi may well indeed claim they have the better tasting product but proof and tests mean nothing in the realm of subjectivity. So it is with car care products, it's subjective therefore Optimum, nor Zaino even, needs to put out documentation.
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Yes, I agree to a point. But if a semi-permanent coating can't outperform the OEM clearcoat then what is the point of selling it? Is it to sell pretty cool looking sheeting for a long period of time for customers who won't "wax" their car? If so, then it might be of some benefit to some customers. It probably has valid uses under other circumstances as well. Really though, I'm not sure that it is "needed" for new vehicles-especially ones owned by people who maintain them on a regular basis. Is there anything that Opticoat does that a person can't achieve with semi-regular maintainence of PoliSeal and OptiSeal?
 
wannafbody said:
Yes, I agree to a point. But if a semi-permanent coating can't outperform the OEM clearcoat then what is the point of selling it? Is it to sell pretty cool looking sheeting for a long period of time for customers who won't "wax" their car? If so, then it might be of some benefit to some customers. It probably has valid uses under other circumstances as well. Really though, I'm not sure that it is "needed" for new vehicles-especially ones owned by people who maintain them on a regular basis. Is there anything that Opticoat does that a person can't achieve with semi-regular maintainence of PoliSeal and OptiSeal?
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It can save you time and money, all while providing a more durable form of protection for your vehicle's surface.



Consider the amount of time/money you'd put into maintaining a daily driven car (polishes, high quality waxes/sealants, etc...)

over the course of the next 3 years. Then consider that a tube of opti-coat is $100 or so. Its excellent value for your money and

it adds substantially to the cars cleanability, which would save you time on future washes.



The purpose of opti-coat isn't to outperform clear-coat...its to protect it. Just like other waxes and sealants. The difference is, it

lasts longer.
 
dfazekas said:
It can save you time and money, all while providing a more durable form of protection for your vehicle's surface.



Consider the amount of time/money you'd put into maintaining a daily driven car (polishes, high quality waxes/sealants, etc...)

over the course of the next 3 years. Then consider that a tube of opti-coat is $100 or so. Its excellent value for your money and

it adds substantially to the cars cleanability, which would save you time on future washes.



The purpose of opti-coat isn't to outperform clear-coat...its to protect it. Just like other waxes and sealants. The difference is, it

lasts longer.
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Sure, it's more durable than OptiSeal and only has to be applied once but you are assuming that it provides more protection than OptiSeal. I haven't seen any documented proof that that is actually the case.
 
What happens when you add someone to the ignore list? Does it mean that you don't have to see their posts anymore? Maybe that is what is needed here.
 
Covalent silane coatings can cure when you leave them in the bottom of a cup, leaving a hard (MOHS 6-7) plug with a thickness in the mm/cm range. These coatings build significantly thicker layers than typical LSPs, with their 20-30 nanometers.



What do you think of their protection?
 
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