Did Zaino Blow it??

Aurora40 said:
Why does this question feel like a set-up? Like you aren't actually looking for any kind of answer to it?
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Anyhow, you give me too much credit, this was my way of saying Z-8 works well by itself as a lsp and that it was nice that manufactorers hit the nail on the head with these spray sealants. I thought you were going to change your name to Aurette with the new edition to your family?
 
Scottwax said:
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Edwin-so you'd recommend Z8 as an LSP only as a temporary fix? Seems like if you finished all the polishing step and just had maybe 10-15 minutes of daylight left, you can go with Z8 and then apply a more permanent LSP a week or two down the road.



That might be a good solution for our shorter days as winter approaches....
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Scott,

Noooooo!

I was forced one day to apply Z8 for an overnight non garaged job, but I would not recommend using Z8 over a nude surface as a LSP. There is no data on how this abberrant usage of Z8 fairs against things like acid rain, bird droppings, etc.



A better choice, as you know Scott, would be a product like Optimum Spray Wax and application of a more durable LSP, if need, when possible.
 
There is data, my data which says as of now the surface is very slick three weeks out after using Z-8 on a nude surface. I have to go get a dictionairy to respond to the rest of your comment, brb.
 
Z8 doesnt repel brake dust, much, but it makes scrubbing the wheels with the meg's wheel brush and car wash solution alot simpler.



I have a wheel sealant, and Z8 outlasted it. When things cool down here, i will z2 my rims and use z8 as a booster.



From my usage of Z8 and Z6, Z8 is not a QD product.



It does not remove waterspots, and it wont work well on dust. It evaporates pretty quick, much like DP's spray product.



I am also looking at Z8 as a stand alone product, for myself. I dont think any products protect from bird crap, and acid rain, not even the mighty Z2pro.



Z8 does have some UV crap in it, so it might be suitable in that regard.



I DO NOT wax for protection.



I wash my ride for protection, and "wax" for slickness and looks. Slickness allows crap to slide off the paint while washing, without much marring.



But in response to the thread topic....



No, i dont think Zaino blew it. I think Sal created a damn masterpiece.



I just recently discovered Zaino, but it is a fun time for me. I am watching the evolution of the best car care products on Earth develop right before my eyes.



It is awesome that Z8 was released and is as good as it is. Alot of products get released and they go through alot of improvements to make them even ok.



Consider the improvements Z8 is going to have in the future. I suspect it will become a stand alone LSP someday.



One of the main things i look for when using various products is, does it make the process more enjoyable, then the rusults are second.



OCW most likely falls into that catagory, havnt used it yet, but Zaino has had the biggest impact on my "hobby", second would be the PC process itself.



Wow, im rambling lol...
 
Strange, responses. Z8 slick after 3 weeks and Z8 does not clean waterspots.



I have had different experiences. My car has 3 coats of Z2pro and I have Z8 it twice alrady, but have noticed that the z8 slickness goes away in about a week, and almost immediatly after it rains.

Does it rain in those places and is tha car garaged?



As for the waterspots, they came out and the car was slick again after I z8 ed . (Disclaimer: Car is silver so I cannot do an extremely thorough search for the waterspots, but they dissapeared from what I oculd see. What I am going by here is the paint feel, which means that the waterspots caused to paint to be not smooth and almlost gritty and after Z8, it was super smooth and slick)



What gives?
 
Consider i use a half a trigger squeeze of Z8 for half my hood, and less as my towel gets slightly damp, and look at the evaporation rate of Z8.



I would almost be dry rubbing water spots and dust of my paint if i used it as a QD.



At 20 bucks a bottle, im not going to saturate the surface to remove a waterspot, thats what Z6 is for.
 
JBM, no offense, but that was different tha you posted. You first posted that Z8 does not remove water spots, but it is actually that you do not use it to remove the spots. Thanks for the clarification, because it worked for me.



Burlyq, I have no clue how the Z8 stays that long on the car, but for me it does not work that well. Maybe the reason is the NV dust which gets on the car pretty quick.
 
JBM, no offense, but that was different tha you posted. You first posted that Z8 does not remove water spots, but it is actually that you do not use it to remove the spots. Thanks for the clarification, because it worked for me.
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None taken.



If Z8 removed the spots you had, then thats great, but Z8 doesnt clean or have anything in it designing it to clean.



In your case i think plain ol' water would have worked too.



Either way, from my POV Z8 evaporates too quickly to use on dust, and it is designed to be used so sparingly i dont think it can be called a QD in the true sense of a QD product.



When i dry my ride, i use Z6 to get it completly dry and spot free, and then follow with Z8.



But this procedure could be my infatuation with Z6 :clap:
 
Stoic,

Have you tried it on a "nude" car? I didn't think it would last this long but it has, nice suprise. All I can say is that the car passes the very scientific finger squeek test with flying colors.
 
Burlyq, I have not tried it on a "nude" car yet. I would say that the paint is squeaky after a week, but it is not slick.

I mean when I initially do the Z8 coat, I almost fly of the car if I lean on it with a towel.
 
I just gotta say Z8 is the real deal. I couldn't believe the difference it made on top of Z2 Pro's good looks. It'S SLICK too buddy!



What about Z6 on top of Z8? Or would it be better the other way around? Forgive me if that's been discussed before.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Scott,

Noooooo!

I was forced one day to apply Z8 for an overnight non garaged job, but I would not recommend using Z8 over a nude surface as a LSP. There is no data on how this abberrant usage of Z8 fairs against things like acid rain, bird droppings, etc.



A better choice, as you know Scott, would be a product like Optimum Spray Wax and application of a more durable LSP, if need, when possible.
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Thanks!



I'm going to re-Zaino my brother's van when I get a chance and he has been using Quikshine to maintain it. Do you feel since Z8 is part of the Zaino system it would work even better?
 
Damn you BlkZ28Conv, I just saw your usage of the word "aberrant" (this is the correct spelling btw)and had to look it up in a dictionary. Isn't it enough that people have to look up the secret decoder for the abreviations, and then you come and throw even big words around. :furious:

:LOLOL

Back to the post.
 
StoicDude said:
Z8 last, Z6 is not as slick as Z8.
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That's what I thought! I did a coat of Z2 Pro 3 weeks ago and used Z8 for the first time. I washed my car last week and re-applied Z8. I haven't used Z6 in a while. I can't imagine what Z6 then Z8 would be like.
 
StoicDude said:
Damn you BlkZ28Conv, I just saw your usage of the word "aberrant" (this is the correct spelling btw)and had to look it up in a dictionary. Isn't it enough that people have to look up the secret decoder for the abreviations, and then you come and throw even big words around. :furious:

:LOLOL

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Sorry dude, must be the 4 years I spent at Brown Univ. 30 years ago. :LOLOL

Spelling??? Must be all the science courses I took to avoid writing papers. :wall



Scott,

Even though QS is an excellent QD for Zaino, I would easily suggest that Z8 after each wash would definitely add to the detailing of your brother's vehicle.



QS or Z6 between washes if vehicle is clean enough for this type of activity.

Z8 after each wash. :xyxthumbs



QD (quik detailing) is any product that "quickly" enhances a vehicle appearance. This term is very broad. QD'ing can be intepreted as just a quik Cali dusting before driving off, a clear water rinse and drying, a spray gloss enhancing liquid (i.e Z8) application and buffing, etc, etc.



Products like Z8, Z6, Sonus acrylic Spritz, Pinnacle Crystal Mist and now loosely maybe even Optimum Spray Wax are just QD's with added functions (adds protection) that also include appearance enhancement or rejuveniation.





This is a first: "I do not wax for protection" :nixweiss

Not trying to be funny but why bother waxing or sealanting? Apply a glaze and be on your way.

I use a wax or sealant to "protect" that meticulous prep that in itself produced slickness, gloss, reflectivity, wetness and depth. Too much work to allow to drive around unprotected IMO and degrade in a matter of days from the assaults it must face via normal environmental exposure.

Nevertheless, a very interesting point of view and not that far off base considering the CC is the major protectant of a vehicle painted surface.
 
This is a first: "I do not wax for protection"
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This is my reasoning.



Some bird bombs and waterspots can etch into the CC, so what chance does a little tiny film have against these elements?



I say none, none at all.



Protection from UV exposure? Hmm, maybe, but no one has proved it, they just say it does protect.



The only protection i think we are getting from our "wax" is the ability for the crud to be washed off with minimal sticking.



I mean, am i to believe that a little thin layer of "stuff" is going to protect a CC that is a trillion times more durable?



The real protection, i believe, is keeping the surface free of dirt, bugs, and crud, not in what LSP is on there.



This is partly why i am using Zaino now too. My work truck gets very dirty every week. It is not practicle to wash it 3 or 4 times a week, in the Florida heat.



So, i goto the do-it-yourself car wash and just pressure wash it, sometimes with the soap in the wand, sometimes with just water.



The Zaino releases all but a small amount of the dirt. At dusk, when the sun is going down, all the water blows off the truck on my way home, leaving a 99% waterspot free vehicle.



Everyone asks me, did you wash your truck yeasterday haha,...
 
Hey JBM, what you are saying makes sense. Appearance and the ability to keep crud from sticking are biggies to me also with a wax. However, one thing I'd say a wax/sealant will do that a glaze or whatnot won't, is to cover the paint and create a barrier between it and oxygen in the air. So even if claimed UV additives do nothing, or if a product doesn't even have them, keeping oxygen away will limit the damage the sun can do to the clearcoat.
 
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