Did Zaino Blow it??

Burlyq said:
Fact: Silicones in car wax products have given body shops fits in the past causing fish eyes after repainting. If I didn't have silicones in my products I would promote that too, some people would like to have that peace of mind. :wavey
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Any body shop worth its' weight in camel urine should be prepping the car properly prior to painting anyway. I can't really imagine that someone would be using a product like Zaino in a auto body shop anyway.
 
Let's agree that some car care product companies take the easy road for money and they don't put a lot of thought into what they put in the products, so long as they cover their bottom line. Hey oil and solvent, we got a great shine and easy to use, lets sell it. Probably most of the companies we talk about here at Autopia that actually make their onw stuff probably put more thought into the ingredients they put in their products.
 
Chris,

Camel urine? Lol. The problem is that silicone will go sink into the metal creating a spot where paint cannot bond. The auto industry's answer was to design modern primers that cannot be penetrated so fish eyes is a non issue with modern paint jobs. However, silicone can still sink into paint and I'm not sure if that will have some effect on the life of a paint job over time. BTW, Sal was an autobody and paint guy when he first developed Zaino, so that stuff was born in an autobody shop when silicone was a major issue. Instead of shaming him maybe we should think about praising him, developing a product for the love of the paintjob as opposed to developing a product purely for profit alone.
 
Not going to argue where Z was born;) but it ain't sold in body shop quantities AND you don't seal fresh paint so it kind of doesn't matter. Again, when you read the Z8 copy it says that it doesn't contain "harmful" silicone and doesn't say that it doesn't contain "any" silicone.:)
 
That can be interpreted two ways yeah? Maybe the author thinks all silicones are harmful, meaning there aren't any silicones. Anywho, back to topic, are these cool spray sealants going to change what all of us detailers think about sealants? It has me, if Z-8 was a little deeper and wetter I would not purchase Pro, so maybe Zaino should take note of that. The detailing landscape is a changin.
 
take for instance Duragloss-it says on the label contains no silicone oils but on the PBA bottle it says that the bonding agent improves durability of polyaminosilicone polishes(sealants). So is Duragloss a polyaminosilicone product that doesn't contain silicone oils? it is rumored that Duragloss is very similar to Zaino. Harmful silicone free does not neccessarily mean polyaminosilicone free-?????
 
Burlyq said:
Let's agree that some car care product companies take the easy road for money and they don't put a lot of thought into what they put in the products, so long as they cover their bottom line. Hey oil and solvent, we got a great shine and easy to use, lets sell it. Probably most of the companies we talk about here at Autopia that actually make their onw stuff probably put more thought into the ingredients they put in their products.
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They don't put a lot of thought into their ingredients? How do you know this? Maybe they put a ton of thought into what they use and came up with a different approach than Zaino did. Different. Not worse, not better. Different.



BTW, never used Zaino on my old Accord, just Meguiars with all their trade secret oils and when the front end was painted after an accident, the body shop properly prepped my car and had no issues with applying the paint completely fish-eye free.
 
"But yet again, you have no idea because you've never used Zaino."



But yet again you have used Zaino and you have no idea what it does or does not contain.



Using your reasoning men could never discuss women's issues, white's could never discuss racial minority issues...ad infinitum.



I've never been to the sun so maybe it does revolve around the earth.
 
No Zaneo, thank you for your condescending and patronizing comment about my post total.



You have 2,406 posts and yet simple logic escapes you.



"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
Mothers makes topcoat which is in a class of toppers of lsp's. But you can't tell by using it. It is like a lsp on its own.
 
I'm not even sure what the orignal post was about anymore. Oh right, did Zaino blow it? Nah - I just think that Z8 is definitely better used as a QD (and a good one at that). RE: this whole silicone argument, Zaino (and other manufacturers of detailing products) have been using misleading advertising for forever. Unfortunately it probably confuses people that don't know better. Fortunately, we all do.



This thread is kind of feeling a little like a Scientology meeting, let's all remember that these are polishes, sealants, waxes, and qd's, not people. :)
 
Picus said:
This thread is kind of feeling a little like a Scientology meeting, let's all remember that these are polishes, sealants, waxes, and qd's, not people. :)
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As a wise Autopian once said... "It's only car wax!"
 
markthom said:
No Zaneo, thank you for your condescending and patronizing comment about my post total.



You have 2,406 posts and yet simple logic escapes you.



"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I have enough simple logic to figure out which people don't know what they're talking about. Congratulations! You made the list! :clap:



On to the product, Z8 does a great job of extending the life of Zaino products. I also feel it can be a valuable product by itself or in addition to other product lines.



Have a good night everyone :)
 
ZaneO said:
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On to the product, Z8 does a great job of extending the life of Zaino products. I also feel it can be a valuable product by itself or in addition to other product lines.
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Worked well over EX-P and even mixed in with QEW and applied that way. Noticable increase in slickness! I agree with you, Z8 is meant to be used as a QD type product and to get the best results that is the way to use it.
 
Burlyq said:
Optimum is the first and only wax that contains UVA and UVB absorbers to shield your paint from all the sun’s harmful rays.
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I don't agree with that statement... I know of at least one other ;)
 
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