What product provides the best protection.....

Also...

Can I apply these waxes with a microfiber towel?



I was thinking of a solution to reaching up high and getting areas out of reach and was thinking of getting these micro fiber bonnets and put them over a sponge mop. I think it would work pretty good. I saw them in home depot and they are nice micro fiber. Well as good or better than the micro fiber on the little foam sponge applicators that you see in automotive departments.

Amazon.com: Rejuvenate Microfiber Bonnet Applicator: Health & Personal Care





and I was thinking of buffing with this micro fiber handle with mf.

Carrand Microfiber MAX Pure Shine Car Duster, auto duster, microfiber duster



OR JUST wrapping a nice micro fiber towel over a sponge mop and buffing that way........should work ok???
 
1flyfisher said:
So what is polishing then?

Is that with a machine and some kind of special process?



I just wash and waxed my prior vehicles. They came out looking good.

What's a swirl?

I am ordering a new vehicle. It should be here in April.

I was looking for a good wax to protect the paint from road salt and other crud. I'll be taking this off road every weekend.
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A swirl is our enemy. ;)



You might want to try reading some of the threads here on "getting started" (I think that's what it is called).
 
A swirl, or swirls, are tiny scratches that have a negative impact on the look, clarity, depth, and reflection of the paint.



They have to be removed with an abrasive polish. This can be done by hand, but using a machine is much easier, faster, and more effective.:buffing:
 
I know what you mean now.

Yeah I would rather avoid that on the body of this new van.

So the KAIO takes them out?

From my other post....do you think those micro fiber bonnets will apply wax ok?

I need some sort of applicator for putting on and taking off wax. I can only reach so high and from the top of my hand to the top of the van side I miss about a foot+ or so.

I figure the MF bonnets will get the job done when placed over a sponge mop. Them or a nice micro fiber towel over a sponge mop.









Rob Tomlin said:
A swirl, or swirls, are tiny scratches that have a negative impact on the look, clarity, depth, and reflection of the paint.



They have to be removed with an abrasive polish. This can be done by hand, but using a machine is much easier, faster, and more effective.:buffing:
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I've learned a lot from these guys and am in the same situation as you. I'm waiting for my S5 and Q7 TDI to arrive directly from the factory, here's my plan:



1. Tell the dealership to NOT touch the car, detail it, or clean it in anyway



2. Wash the car with a foam cannon (no necessary but fun) followed by ONR (Optimum No Rinse car wash)

This will ensure that I get rid of any dust, debrees, contaminants, etc



3. Polish the car with Meguiars #205 using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country White pad (or Lake Country Gray pad)

This will ensure that there are no swirls whatsoever and to give the paint some additional shine and depth



4. Prep the car with ZAIO (Zaino All In One) using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country Gray pad

Kind of a final touch to ensure there are no minor swirls or hazing, and to prep the paint for my sealant



5. Seal the car using Zaino Z2-Pro and will most likely do 2-3 layers. Possibly add a layer to the windows as well.

This is to protect the car, give it durability and shine



6. Finish with Zaino Z8 Finale Spray as a final wipe down and to enhance the gloss a little bit more



If there are any swirls, doing it by hand may not work as well as doing it with a dual action orbital buffer (like the PC 7424). Hope this gives you an idea...
 
You've got a lot of energy. That sounds like you will have it shining quite nicely. I will take a look at this Zaino stuff you mentioned. Since I began researching what I need to do with this van and my needs I am after max paint protection and ease of application. This vehicle is a rig to get me in the back country for flyfishing and the AWD has been a long time coming. I had a jeep for skiing and a 2 wheel van for hauling my kayak for flyfishing and sleeping in. The 2wd sucked. This new AWD will get some nice all terrain tires and it will be far from a poser 4wd. I will be off road constantly and when I am not flyfishing in the winter I am driving in blizzards to get powder days. Lots of road salt being dumped around Lake tahoe. So I need to coat this baby with some max protection wax. I am debating between KAIo and KSG or KAIO and FK1. I am sure either combo would do well enough. I will keep talking to people that have experience with KSG and FK1.

Good Luck with your new rig.







jbnery6465 said:
I've learned a lot from these guys and am in the same situation as you. I'm waiting for my S5 and Q7 TDI to arrive directly from the factory, here's my plan:



1. Tell the dealership to NOT touch the car, detail it, or clean it in anyway



2. Wash the car with a foam cannon (no necessary but fun) followed by ONR (Optimum No Rinse car wash)

This will ensure that I get rid of any dust, debrees, contaminants, etc



3. Polish the car with Meguiars #205 using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country White pad (or Lake Country Gray pad)

This will ensure that there are no swirls whatsoever and to give the paint some additional shine and depth



4. Prep the car with ZAIO (Zaino All In One) using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country Gray pad

Kind of a final touch to ensure there are no minor swirls or hazing, and to prep the paint for my sealant



5. Seal the car using Zaino Z2-Pro and will most likely do 2-3 layers. Possibly add a layer to the windows as well.

This is to protect the car, give it durability and shine



6. Finish with Zaino Z8 Finale Spray as a final wipe down and to enhance the gloss a little bit more



If there are any swirls, doing it by hand may not work as well as doing it with a dual action orbital buffer (like the PC 7424). Hope this gives you an idea...
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jbnery6465 said:
I've learned a lot from these guys and am in the same situation as you. I'm waiting for my S5 and Q7 TDI to arrive directly from the factory, here's my plan:



1. Tell the dealership to NOT touch the car, detail it, or clean it in anyway



2. Wash the car with a foam cannon (no necessary but fun) followed by ONR (Optimum No Rinse car wash)

This will ensure that I get rid of any dust, debrees, contaminants, etc



3. Polish the car with Meguiars #205 using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country White pad (or Lake Country Gray pad)

This will ensure that there are no swirls whatsoever and to give the paint some additional shine and depth



4. Prep the car with ZAIO (Zaino All In One) using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country Gray pad

Kind of a final touch to ensure there are no minor swirls or hazing, and to prep the paint for my sealant



5. Seal the car using Zaino Z2-Pro and will most likely do 2-3 layers. Possibly add a layer to the windows as well.

This is to protect the car, give it durability and shine



6. Finish with Zaino Z8 Finale Spray as a final wipe down and to enhance the gloss a little bit more



If there are any swirls, doing it by hand may not work as well as doing it with a dual action orbital buffer (like the PC 7424). Hope this gives you an idea...
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Need a suggestion when applying the Z2, any difference in result if I apply it via PC or by hand? The Zaino demo was by hand. I'm wondering if it'll provide better protection/shine if I used the PC to work it in a little bit.
 
jbnery6465 said:
Need a suggestion when applying the Z2, any difference in result if I apply it via PC or by hand? The Zaino demo was by hand. I'm wondering if it'll provide better protection/shine if I used the PC to work it in a little bit.
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No difference in longevity, but I personally prefer to apply it with my pc/flex. Even thin layer. m2c
 
1flyfisher said:
I know what you mean now.

Yeah I would rather avoid that on the body of this new van.

So the KAIO takes [light marring] out?
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No, it's almost always functionally nonabrasive, just too gentle. Zaino's AIO might do a little correction like this, but it was too gentle for the paints I've tried it on.





From my other post....do you think those micro fiber bonnets will apply wax ok?

I need some sort of applicator for putting on and taking off wax. I can only reach so high and from the top of my hand to the top of the van side I miss about a foot+ or so.

I figure the MF bonnets will get the job done when placed over a sponge mop. Them or a nice micro fiber towel over a sponge mop.
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I'd use some kind of foam applicator to apply and then the MF bonnets to buff off the residue. Buffing the KAIO off before it dries completely will make things easier.



jbnery6465 said:
OPn my new Audis I plan to:



3. Polish the car with Meguiars #205 using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country White pad (or Lake Country Gray pad)

This will ensure that there are no swirls whatsoever and to give the paint some additional shine and depth



4. Prep the car with ZAIO (Zaino All In One) using a Porter Cable 7424 with a Lake Country Gray pad





Kind of a final touch to ensure there are no minor swirls or hazing, and to prep the paint for my sealant
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Don't expect the ZAIO to take care of any leftover marring, it's too gentle for that on Audi clear IME. Nice way to clean and prep for the sealant though.



For that matter, I wouldn't expect M205/LC gray to do much correction either. I'd probably reach for a LC tangerine HydroTech (or a *Griot's* orange).



I dunno...with a brand-new Audi I'd probably want to do the final polishing with Menzerna (or my 1Z High Gloss) instead of the M205, at least if it didn't have any real marring to correct at that point.
 
Accumulator said:


I dunno...with a brand-new Audi I'd probably want to do the final polishing with Menzerna (or my 1Z High Gloss) instead of the M205, at least if it didn't have any real marring to correct at that point.
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I've found the M205 to finish incredibly well. It far exceeded my expectations in that regard, and this is coming from a Menzerna "fanboy"!! ;)
 
Rob Tomlin said:
I've found the M205 to finish incredibly well. It far exceeded my expectations in that regard, and this is coming from a Menzerna "fanboy"!! ;)
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Just goes to show how the "YMMV" can always apply! And here I never thought much about Menzerna until after I tried following M205 with it :nixweiss
 
Yes I would like to use a foam applicator to apply the wax but I just have no idea as to how to attach a foam applicator pad to a telescoping handle????

That's why I was saying I'd try the mf bonnets to apply the wax.

Basically that is what I had hoped to find by posting here a telescopic wax application tool.



everything else I have solved.....





Accumulator said:






I'd use some kind of foam applicator to apply and then the MF bonnets to buff off the residue. Buffing the KAIO off before it dries completely will make things easier.
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Yes I would like to use a foam applicator to apply the wax but I just have no idea as to how to attach a foam applicator pad to a telescoping handle????

That's why I was saying I'd try the mf bonnets to apply the wax.

Basically that is what I had hoped to find by posting here , that someone would know of a telescopic wax application tool I could buy.



everything else I have solved.....





Accumulator said:






I'd use some kind of foam applicator to apply and then the MF bonnets to buff off the residue. Buffing the KAIO off before it dries completely will make things easier.
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1flyfisher said:
Yes I would like to use a foam applicator to apply the wax but I just have no idea as to how to attach a foam applicator pad to a telescoping handle????.....
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If no brilliant solution occurs to you (and it's sure not occurring to *me!), then sure, go ahead and use the MF. Guess I didn't give that one enough thought before posting :o



I can't help but think that your current idea of using FK1000P might not be optimal compared to a liquid like Collinite 845 :think:



This whole business of applying/buffing with something that's soooo lacking in practical leverage makes me think more and more that ease-of-use is gonna be the prime consideration.



I'm even second-guessing the KAIO for this reason (sorry...don't mean to make this some impossible sounding dilemma). I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and that gets me thinking about every little hassle I've had with products, "little" hassles for me that could spell bigger troubles for you.



Easiest paint cleaner/polish/etc. I've ever used: 1z Wax Polish Soft. Easiest LSP that'll last: Collinite 845. And these two products are compatible.
 
Accumulator said:
No, it's almost always functionally nonabrasive, just too gentle. Zaino's AIO might do a little correction like this, but it was too gentle for the paints I've tried it on.









I'd use some kind of foam applicator to apply and then the MF bonnets to buff off the residue. Buffing the KAIO off before it dries completely will make things easier.







Don't expect the ZAIO to take care of any leftover marring, it's too gentle for that on Audi clear IME. Nice way to clean and prep for the sealant though.



For that matter, I wouldn't expect M205/LC gray to do much correction either. I'd probably reach for a LC tangerine HydroTech (or a *Griot's* orange).



I dunno...with a brand-new Audi I'd probably want to do the final polishing with Menzerna (or my 1Z High Gloss) instead of the M205, at least if it didn't have any real marring to correct at that point.
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If I choose Menzerna, should it be the 106FA or the 85RD? Again I'd like something for the brand new Audi's, but I have cars that need correction (medium swirls and marring). I know the 106FA is a little more abrasive than the 85RD according to Menzerna's chart. I'm afraid that 85RD may not be abrasive enough to follow the Meg 105.
 
jbnery6465 said:
If I choose Menzerna, should it be the 106FA or the 85RD? Again I'd like something for the brand new Audi's, but I have cars that need correction (medium swirls and marring). I know the 106FA is a little more abrasive than the 85RD according to Menzerna's chart. I'm afraid that 85RD may not be abrasive enough to follow the Meg 105.
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I'm the wrong guy to ask, given my limited experience with/understanding of Menzerna's products. Others here would know for certain and I'm just speculationg.



*IN MY CASE* I'm doing the real correction with other stuff, not risking any of the weird concealing that happened on my Yukon when it was done with 106FF (by somebody very good). Then I'll consider the Menzerna for a burnishing type final polish, using it in place of my 1z High Gloss (which is also *VERY* good, at least on hard clear).



So *for me* the 85RD sounds like the right choice. I'm currently using up a bottle of 106[whatever suffix, I don't remember] that's relabeled as "Blackfire Finishing Polish".



I'd do the correction with M105/M205, IPA/PrepWash thoroughly after the M205, and use the Menzerna when everything looks "already perfect".



But that's just me. I'm not looking to revamp my regimen; I'm basically just substituting the Menzerna for my 1Z HG. If I were inclined to go to a more Menzerna-centric approach, I might do things completely differently.



But I don't try to get real correction out of finishing polishes as a general rule.
 
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