What product provides the best protection.....

[jbnery6465]

Is there a specific reason why you would leave it out? I could take it out and just use the Z8 to top the Z2 as that's what I've seen and been told works well.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

So after more research I've decided to go with:

Klasse AIO

Zaino Z2-Pro w/ZFX

P21S 100% Carnauba

Zaino Z8



I'll give this combo a try and will most likely have 2-3 layers of Z2 to ensure durability/protection. I live in San Diego, CA and the weather here is consistently great with minimal environmental contaminants.



But definately I'll be trying the 1000p sometime soon, it'd be nice if they made it in a liquid form.



Thanks so much for all you guys' help!

Get ZAIO under z2, not Kaio.

 

[Rob Tomlin]

Is there a specific reason why you would leave it out? I could take it out and just use the Z8 to top the Z2 as that's what I've seen and been told works well.

The reason is that Z2 (and probably Z8 for that matter) will not bond to the paint once you put the carnauba on top of the Z2.



In other words, you can't apply more Z2 once you put the carnauba on the car. You will need to remove it before adding more. Again, I would also question the bonding ability of Z8 on top of the carnauba.



I would do exactly as you say: leave it out and use the Z2 and Z8 in combination with each other. The P21S is just complicating things and isn't necessary.

 

[wfedwar]

ZAIO, Z2, Z8...that's the Zaino system, why screw with it?

 

[Accumulator]

Yeah, I'd leave the wax topper out of it too, but everybody here knows I'd do that



I'd still get some Klasse AIO for use on the black exterior plastic since it doesn't respond well to the abrasives in Zaino's AIO (which I'd also keep off the aluminum trim). I know I'm a broken record on that topic too, but I simply love the LSP-based approach on Audi exterior trim and the finish of the aluminum trim fails fast enough as it is without any sort of abrasive product being used on it.

 

[Rob Tomlin]

Yeah, I'd leave the wax topper out of it too, but everybody here knows I'd do that



I'd still get some Klasse AIO for use on the black exterior plastic since it doesn't respond well to the abrasives in Zaino's AIO (which I'd also keep off the aluminum trim). I know I'm a broken record on that topic too, but I simply love the LSP-based approach on Audi exterior trim and the finish of the aluminum trim fails fast enough as it is without any sort of abrasive product being used on it.

I agree with Klasse AIO working very well on the plastic painted parts of cars.

 

[1flyfisher]

Is KAIO a good combo with FK1-1000p or should you use the same brand. Does KSG work better with AIO or will the FK1 work just as good. I am looking for maximum protection and ease of application.

 

[wfedwar]

Is KAIO a good combo with FK1-1000p or should you use the same brand. Does KSG work better with AIO or will the FK1 work just as good. I am looking for maximum protection and ease of application.

You can just put FK1000P on polished, bare paint, and that's what I would do.

 

[GS4_Fiend]

Would KAIO go well with Optiseal?

 

[Accumulator]

Is KAIO a good combo with FK1-1000p or should you use the same brand...

KAIO works fine as a base for FK1000P. That's what's on the majority of my Yukon XLD.

Does KSG work better with AIO or will the FK1 work just as good. I am looking for maximum protection and ease of application.

Can't really make a direct better/worse call between KSG and FK1000P as they're very different products.



KSG is overall less user-friendly, but it seems much easier to layer than the FK1000P is (at least IME). Gotta watch out for the solvent action/like-removes-like thing with FK1000P and that's simply not an issue with KSG (given sufficient cure time before subsequent layers).



I somehow suspect that you might be happier with FK1000P, doing maybe one coat every now and then, rather than trying to layer up KSG all at once.

 

[Cleaning Fool]

Would KAIO go well with Optiseal?

yes, no problem

 

[1flyfisher]

Do I need the KAIO?

What benefit does using the KAIO give me with the FK1000P on top?

This is for a brand new GMC Savana that is coming.

I use a wheelchair and can't do the roof so I have to have a friend do it for me.

Best I can hope for is one layer of some wax on the roof. I can't get a friend to put multiple layers of wax on the roof....not gonna happen.

So if you had to choose to protect the roof would you use or suggest the KAIO or the FK1000?

On the sides I can do both if I wanted to (two products/two layers) or NEED to but i'd rather do less work ..... I can reach the sides with a mop with a micro fiber towel wrapped over it to apply and buff off the wax. So I could layer KAIO and FK1000.

Maybe just use either the KAIO or the FK1000 by themselves?

Which one?

I somehow suspect that you might be happier with FK1000P, doing maybe one coat every now and then, rather than trying to layer up KSG all at once.

 

[wfedwar]

Do I need the KAIO?

No.

What benefit does using the KAIO give me with the FK1000P on top?

Nothing, assuming the paint has already been polished. KAIO has some correcting ability, so its better than nothing if the paint has not been polished. I'd polish down to where I wanted it, then just use 1000P.

 

[Accumulator]

Do I need the KAIO?

What benefit does using the KAIO give me with the FK1000P on top?

It'll clean things up and help ensure that the FK1000P isn't going on top of contamination. Good insurance given that dealerships might not do roofs too well, if at all.



And I bet they completely blew it off when they saw your wheelchair. Yeah, I know, I can be a little cynical. But I worked in New Car prep and I know how dealerships are.

I ..can't do the roof so I have to have a friend do it for me.

Best I can hope for is one layer of some wax on the roof. I can't get a friend to put multiple layers of wax on the roof....not gonna happen.

Maybe you could tell the friend that the KAIO cleans and the FK1000P is the protection, which is actually the truth. There is *NO* one-step product that does both. The two products go on so quickly/easily that I honestly don't think it's unreasonable.

So if you had to choose to protect the roof would you use or suggest the KAIO or the FK1000?

I simply don't believe in putting a non-cleaning product like FK1000P on without *some* sort of preceding prep. And/but the KAIO won't last long at all by itself (no matter what the ad-copy says).



If I absolutely had to do one product only, I simply don't know what I'd do. Probably Autoglym Super Resin Polish. But nah, I wouldn't do that. I'd pay a pro to do the job right it if I had to.



You might want to consider that; having a pro do the major detail and then you concentrate on the upkeep. That's what the people I know who are in wheelchairs do (both of whom have very nicely maintained vehicles).



Sorry, I know that's not what you want to hear, but there're only so many corners you can cut IMO.



If you do it with one product (something like the Autoglym SRP or yeah, the KAIO), it'll need redone very frequently. I can't help but wonder how often you'll get your friend back up on that roof.



Autopian Heresy- the original owners of my Yukon XLD *never* did a thing to the roof. It was a real mess (etching, etc.) that took me forever to get halfway decent, but I bet they never gave it a second thought. Most of my friends think I'm utterly nuts to care about how the roof of a tall SUV is; they wouldn't do it at all. You only have to care as much as you want to care.



Oh, BTW, a belated Welcome to Autopia! Mentioning that you're in a wheelchair clarified things for me, so I'm glad you mentioned it.

 

[1flyfisher]

What do you mean by "the paint has already been polished"

Is polishing something other than washing and waxing?



This is a new vehicle. I want to protect the paint as best I can as I will be driving off road and in snow, and wash board roads, mud etc. And when it gets dirty I want to rinse it off and then use some wash soap (maybe FX1 #1016?) that doesn't remove prior wax.



Thanks

No.







Nothing, assuming the paint has already been polished. KAIO has some correcting ability, so its better than nothing if the paint has not been polished. I'd polish down to where I wanted it, then just use 1000P.

 

[1flyfisher]

I plan on doing every where I can reach. So with a mop and microfiber towel wrapped on it I was planning on doing everything I can reach that would be every where but the roof.

I kept my Jeep pretty shiny and clean and had a friend do the roof every now and then. I used Nu Finish and Zymol. Separately not together.

I have a 18 year old kid I know that I hunt and flyfish with and I could pay him for any extra work it would take to add an extra coat of wax. Or maybe a detail shop for the roof.



What would a detail shop charge for a roof?

You might want to consider that; having a pro do the major detail and then you concentrate on the upkeep. That's what the people I know who are in wheelchairs do (both of whom have very nicely maintained vehicles).



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[Rob Tomlin]

What do you mean by "the paint has already been polished"

Is polishing something other than washing and waxing?

Completely different. Polishing has absolutely nothing to do with washing and waxing.



Polishing removes things like swirls from the paint. And yes, most new cars have swirls in them, especially if they have been on the dealer's lot for any length of time at all.



All a wax or sealant does is protect the paint. You want to remove the swirls etc. before protecting it.

 

[Accumulator]

I plan on doing every where I can reach. So with a mop and microfiber towel wrapped on it I was planning on doing everything I can reach that would be every where but the roof...

You might want to consider an easy on/off product with decent durability. IMO that'd probably be Collinite 845. Just an idea.

I kept my Jeep pretty shiny and clean and had a friend do the roof every now and then. I used Nu Finish and Zymol. Separately not together.

OK, then you have a good idea what's involved here.

I have a 18 year old kid I know that I hunt and flyfish with and I could pay him for any extra work it would take to add an extra coat of wax.

Bingo! The extra work of doing an AIO before a wax shouldn't amount to much of anything.



Two very easy to use products are a lot better to do than one that's not so easy. I'd lean towards an AIO topped with either the FK1000P or the Collinite.

Or maybe a detail shop for the roof.



What would a detail shop charge for a roof?

Sorry, no idea :nixweiss

 

[1flyfisher]

So what is polishing then?

Is that with a machine and some kind of special process?



I just wash and waxed my prior vehicles. They came out looking good.

What's a swirl?

I am ordering a new vehicle. It should be here in April.

I was looking for a good wax to protect the paint from road salt and other crud. I'll be taking this off road every weekend.

Completely different. Polishing has absolutely nothing to do with washing and waxing.



Polishing removes things like swirls from the paint. And yes, most new cars have swirls in them, especially if they have been on the dealer's lot for any length of time at all.



All a wax or sealant does is protect the paint. You want to remove the swirls etc. before protecting it.

 

[1flyfisher]

Thanks,

I think I will order that FK1 wash soap and their wax and get that KAIO. They sound pretty easy. I have used Zymol on the Jeep and it was easy on and off and from what people have said it seems the KAIO and the FK1 is pretty easy on and off also. I don't want to do major waxing,, but I can do 2 coats of wax with the KAIO on FK1 on the sides and front and back.

If the roof gets waxed it gets waxed. No one sees it unless they climb up there....but I would like the paint protected if possible.

You might want to consider an easy on/off product with decent durability. IMO that'd probably be Collinite 845. Just an idea.









OK, then you have a good idea what's involved here.









Bingo! The extra work of doing an AIO before a wax shouldn't amount to much of anything.



Two very easy to use products are a lot better to do than one that's not so easy. I'd lean towards an AIO topped with either the FK1000P or the Collinite.









Sorry, no idea :nixweiss