The New Z8 is Out!

ZaneO said:
wannafbody - with each of your posts, you are just discrediting yourself more and more. I truly feel sorry for you. :(
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I don't feel sorry for him at all. Each and every negative, and occasional inane, post, about a product he's never tried, doesn't only discredit him. It makes him personally seem almost irrelevant, and it's also making him a target. He brings it on himself.



I'll save my pity for those who really deserve it, not those who invite trouble.:down
 
Z8 is not a stand alone product, its meant to compliment the Zaino system. Why do people feel the need to mix different products.

I agree Zaino needs to come out with a paint cleaner/swirl remover. Its the only product the Z line lacks at this point.

But why put Z8 on Mothers? Why put FMJ AS on blackfire

Why put Megiuars on Zaino. All product lines have their own step products. Doesn't it make sense that Z6 works better on Z2, doesn't FMJ AS work better on FMJ, doesn't crytal mist work better on Souvran.



Is Zaino the best? For me yes,you maybe not. But my God How can you compare Zaino a) if you never used b) don't want to spend the money c) to Synwax or NXT. Lets get real here you can collect facts and quotes from anyone/any where you want there are not in the same league. I like Mothers products a lot and I use them ( Not on my car). For example Kit and turtle wax shine as good as souvran, why lots of silcone and oils. Are they in the same class? No way!! Can a $8 or $9 bottle of carnuba be as good as a $70 can of carnuba?



Yes there are upscale products Zaino,FMJ ,Klasse,Surluster, Souvran and Zymol ( what I have)and more.

there are middle and lower. Its all what you prerfer or can afford.

I would rather spend my money on great products, I wouldn't care if Z8 was $30 , but please don't compare it wally world stuff.

It seems like its mostly people who have not used Zaino who start the arguments, Zaino is the bench mark for care car thats why it gets all the press here and every where else.



Calling us Zealots = Jealous
 
wannafbody said:
IMO the product is probably a very good product but Zaino's price point is for someone with lots of extra bucks-Z2Pro 14.95, ZFX 19.95, Z8 19.95-that adds up compared to most other products available- Mothers FX spray wax is $6- is zaino worth 3x as much?
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I can't speak for anyone else but I will buy the Z8 because I've invested in Zaino for my car's paint, really like the results and like the fact that Sal Zaino has developed a system that's compatible and logical and a new product like Z8 is yet another part of that system. If I were invested in some other system, whether it be from Mothers, Meguiar, Zymol, Sovran, etc I might not be as inclined to use Z8.



It's not like Sal is discontinuing Z6 and forcing people to pay twice as much to get the same results with Z8. It is to be used in conjunction with Z6 not instead of. He himself states that Z8 is something special, akin to a bottle of fine wine at the dinner table and isn't meant to be used an everyday QD. It's yet another tool in the Zaino toolbox. :D I don't see this as being a problem. If you don't want or need it, it isn't necessary but it's there if you do want it. I find that Zaino is quite cost effective because you don't need to use much of it. A little goes a long way. If I use Z8 in the way that Sal suggests I think the Z8 will be quite cost effective in the end.



IMO Z8 is a lot like ZFX. ZFX is pricey and offered as an option to the less expensive Z1 with many benefits. I personally have chosen to continue using Z1 because I rarely have time to put more than one coat of Zaino on my car in a detailing session and find that the Z1 works just fine for me so I have opted out of ZFX. But that doesn't mean that ZFX isn't a good option to have. More options are always a good thing in my book. :xyxthumbs
 
sigh...you guys have done it. My next purchse will be some Zaino. I can't necessarily say Z8 since $20 is nearly 3 hours work for me, but the regular stuff I'll try. :)



I don't care for the other sealants I have anyway.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
sigh...you guys have done it. My next purchse will be some Zaino. I can't necessarily say Z8 since $20 is nearly 3 hours work for me, but the regular stuff I'll try. :)



I don't care for the other sealants I have anyway.
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If you're on a budget, get ZFX and Z2 Pro first. Then you can add other products later if you decide. I think you'll be happy...and if you aren't, I'll buy them from you.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
sigh...you guys have done it. My next purchse will be some Zaino. I can't necessarily say Z8 since $20 is nearly 3 hours work for me, but the regular stuff I'll try. :)



I don't care for the other sealants I have anyway.
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Actually, I would get 2 bottles of Pro and one ZFX, because ZFX treats two bottles of Z2 so you would be wasting money by getting one bottle of Pro. That is when you are ready to try it.
 
Yay, something new for me to try though my wallet isn't as happy as I am. I can definately see where this product might come into use for me, my car hasn't been Z'd in about 5 months :eek:.
 
goceltics34 said:
I have no favorite wax and/or sealant yet as I am relatively new to this site and all of the products that I have. In the last few months I have only tried a couple of combinations.



1.



Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion

WG x 2

Pinnacle Souveran x 3



2.



AIO

UPP x 3





Can't wait for the results!
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Of these, which did you like the best?
 
dogma said:
Z8 is not a stand alone product, its meant to compliment the Zaino system. Why do people feel the need to mix different products.
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:) Answer: It is fun ! There are zero rules that apply when trying new stuff.

Take a waffle and make a cone. Add a scoop of ice cream... you got an ice cream cone. Discovery is not always straight science, but creative experimentation..... It is a hobby for me (on my Daily driver anyway", and it is also entertainment to see what comes out of trying new things. I would hate to test for durability..... :D



I dont think any combination of products out there will make my paint flake off due to combining products.....



If it doesnt glitz... strip it ! Start over !
 
AIO and UPP is unbelievable! Seriously, I have gotten so many compliments everywhere I go about how slick and shiny the paint is. I just absolutely love the way it looks. Now I see why so many people swear by these two products. They are the real deal. If Zaino comes even close to the look of AIO topped with UPP, I will be one happy Autopian.
 
mochamanz said:
:) Answer: It is fun ! There are zero rules that apply when trying new stuff.

Take a waffle and make a cone. Add a scoop of ice cream... you got an ice cream cone. Discovery is not always straight science, but creative experimentation..... It is a hobby for me (on my Daily driver anyway", and it is also entertainment to see what comes out of trying new things. I would hate to test for durability..... :D



I dont think any combination of products out there will make my paint flake off due to combining products.....



If it doesnt glitz... strip it ! Start over !
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Preach it, brother!



I go for durability during the winter (usually reverting back to Zaino), but the rest of the year is mad-scientist season. Usually, I'll fiddle with a few layers of a new sealant (or one I haven't used for a while), then I get the carnauba jones and top it. I'll add another layer of carnauba every once in a while, and in the meantime, play with various QDs and booster sprays to see how they look.



Then I decide I want to play with sealants again . . . out come the polishes (more experimentation!), everything is stripped and prepped, and it all starts over again. For me, that's a large part of the fun in detailing.



Tort
 
wannafbody said:
BTW I never tried Z8 because I wasn't one of the special ones who got free samples :o
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Are you sure you want to keep this up?



Tort

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You know........It amazes me how people get so upset about spending $20.00 on a product they will use for about a year. Z8 ends up costing you about 5 1/2 cents a day (based on 365 days/year) If you get 30 applications from 1 bottle of Z8, it costs you about 66 cents per application. I spend about $250.00 a year on detailing products (whether I need them or not) and it really is a small price to pay for perfection! So please people......stop complaining about the prices of high end detailing products!! Here's my advice.........Eat 3 less pizza's from your favorite pizza place this year & but some quality detailing products!
 
Just to come out of left field here, and since this is way offtopic already, the thing that seems really different about Zaino is that it is a "catalyzed" product, meaning that it's a two-part product, one with a "resin" (Z-2, etc.) and a "catalyst" (Z-1, ZFX). Generally, the most durable and chemical-resistant paints and adhesives are two-part systems.



To me, that's a fundamental difference between Zaino and any other product out there, irrespective of any price/performance discussion....and no, this doesn't have anything to do with Z-8.



PS There was some discussion here on Autopia about using Z-2 Pro without the "catalyst", but I don't see anywhere on the Zaino website where this is suggested.
 
PS There was some discussion here on Autopia about using Z-2 Pro without the "catalyst", but I don't see anywhere on the Zaino website where this is suggested.
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I used Z2-Pro with ZFX the first round, but I've been following with subsequent layers without and have seen improvements and no ill effects.



I'm under the impression that ZFX simply affects the cure time. If used every 24 hours like most any sealant, the cure time is a non-issue. My laboratory is a 17 year old paint job with some areas of severe clearcoat failure and I notice improvements even on that worst-case scenario.
 
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