Nissan GTR Assembly Line Detailing

truzoom said:
Please refer to the December issue of Motor Trend magazine. I have taken a picture of the cover, but you'll have to buy the magazine to read the entire article that provides their reasons for claiming the new GTR may match the ZO6.

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You can actually read the articles online:



2009 Nissan GT-R - First Drive - Motor Trend



First Look: 2008 Nissan GT-R
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Cool, thanks for the links. The online one doesn't seem to mention the 11.7 second 1/4 mile time, nor any trap speed. Though it mentions the CO2 emissions rate... :rolleyes: 11.7's hardly blow away a Z06, though it's certainly competitive. The 192mph top speed also doesn't shame a Z06.



I'm not sure what "technologies" some people are referring to though. Saying AWD is more "tech" or is always superior is sort of silly. I notice some people still choose BMW's instead of Audi's, for example. The things like Bilstien selective shocks aren't new. Corvette for example had them in 1989. "VDS" or stability control also isn't new. The only thing they really mention is the display screen, though I'd call that gimmicky before saying it's some superior tech. Stuff like the g-meter isn't a first, but steering angle just seems gimmicky. That data is available on most cars with stability control, but why would anyone want a display of it?



Anyway, it seems like a car that has strong performance. And I'm sure it will be the "must have" car for some people, in the same way a Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette, etc is for other people. But some people here make it sound like it's some gift from heaven that will change how we think about sports cars. That seems absurd to me.



I do notice most of the performance claims in the MT article come from Nissan. Like the idea that it has the best brakes of any production car, "Better than any Ferrari or Porsche". Well if some Nissan employee said it, then I'm sure it's true.
 
Aurora40 said:
Great fan-boy response! Half the technology? I guess in all those paragraphs you typed, you couldn't have cited any specific technologies? Also, I didn't know that having a "smaller" motor was an advantage in a sports car?



What are the specifics of this Nurburgring test? Who was responsible for ensuring the 911 was driven to the extreme? What year was the 911 Turbo, they've made them as far back as the '70s. The only specifics I've seen in this thread were about a GT-R at the 'ring on slicks, so any comparison to stock cars is pointless.



Why would you think a 0-60 time translates into a faster 1/4 mile time? Have you ever been to a drag strip or drag raced a car? That 0-60 just shows the car has a good amount of power and a large amount of traction from a start. Even a 500hp car can put that power down pretty well once it is moving. How many races have you seen where the cars didn't get above 60mph? Like I said, got any times besides the 0-60?



Also, why on earth would you cite build quality? We are talking about a Nissan...
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well you are talking about a Chevy, nice history there. the car is a something special giving the price range it will be in, I my self own cars and I never take pride in 1/4 race's

nor racers for that matter, want to show me a good quality build car, take it to a ring.



The video is in front of you, is speaks for it self.

fan boy? I though you were worthy of a conversation and

you would have more respect than that, that is if you respect your self in the first place.
 
IMHO, there's no comparison in straight line performance between the 2 cars (60ft / 0-60 / 1/4 mile). 10 anything is bus lenghts ahead of high 11's in the 1/4. Plus, I'd bet a 10 second pass on drag radials for a Z06 means it much quicker than 3.5 0-60. There's hardly any exotic super cars producing those times. Don't forget about the supercharged ZR1 coming out. That should end any and all discussions in this field of performance. All this with almost 30 mpg too.
 
Please know there *will* be upgrades for the GT-R that I just have to think will push the envelope with power. 8-900hp shouldn't be a problem.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Please know there *will* be upgrades for the GT-R that I just have to think will push the envelope with power. 8-900hp shouldn't be a problem.
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True but I've already been in an '02 Z06 with twin turbos that put down 602 RWHP on pump gas and has 950+ hp (at the wheels) potential on racing gas and more boost. Honest to God, on pump gas and street tires, the acceleration is absolutely frightening!



That yellow Z06 with the flag decals y'all seem to hate (and yeah, I am not a fan of the decals either) just put down 535 hp at the wheels about two weeks ago (around 600-610 at the crank) with the following mods: headers, catback with X pipe, cold air intake, intake manifold clean-up and match porting and a dyno tune. He already has a 100+ hp advantage over the GT-R and that is without forced induction which the GT-R already has. Refined engine or not, the Z06 has a huge displacement advantage that can easily be exploited via turbo or supercharger.



I am not knocking the GT-R, it is a great car and as a Nissan owner (Maxima with the VQ35), I am fully aware of the performance Nissan products are capable of. I just don't understand the Corvette hate. There isn't a better performance value anywhere. Yeah, the interior isn't drenched in leather but for a GM product, it is quite good. Sure, it has an engine design based on the 50s but it works. It flat makes huge gobs of power and is economical to build (at least as 505 hp engines go) and pretty damn stout.
 
And which car with 900+ will put the power to the ground the best?



I'm not hating at all I just know that Nissan is putting out a car that has a *serious* following and that it will be flooded with aftermarket parts in short order.
 
SpoiledMan said:
And which car with 900+ will put the power to the ground the best?



I'm not hating at all I just know that Nissan is putting out a car that has a *serious* following and that it will be flooded with aftermarket parts in short order.
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All it took were a pair of slicks for Motor Trend to get an 880 hp Lingenfelter Corvette to run a 1.97 0-60, 4.33 0-100 and a 9.2 @ 150. I hear it ended up running high 8s at one point.



Here is one running a mid 9... YouTube - Lingenfelter Corvette running 9.4 :nervous2:



I hear ya on Nissan aftermarket support, there is a plethora of products for my Maxima (so refreshing after pretty much zero for my 626) so I imagine an all out performance car like the GT-R will be even better.
 
Yal said:
The Corvette is the closest competitor to the GTR, the comparisons and slap downs have only just begun. Its gonna be fun :)
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I think what you really mean is the GTR is the closest competitor to the Corvette. The Vette's the current champ and the GTP is training to be the contender. ;)
 
Scott: I understand what you're saying about the Z06 putting down more power than the GTR, but you cant really knock on the GTR's engine for needing turbos to put down the power that it does. They are two completely different concepts, and nissan's thing has been turbo inline 4's and turbo 6's ever since back in the day such as the S14. Take the Porsche 911 Turbo for example.. You can't really say that the Z06's engine is better because it doesnt need turbos to put out a huge amount of power.. all they are is two different designs. You are right though about the slicks, I have seen a rwd Supra Sh!t on an awd Skyline (R34), while both had 1000whp @ a drag strip. I think you're a vette guy though lol. :nana:



SpoiledMan: I'm right there with you on the following behind the GTR. Every since the R32, everyone was begging Nissan to bring over the Skyline. I know you mentioned aftermarket tuners are going to be able to eclipse 800-900, even 1000 whp easily, but don't forget about Nismo. They def are going to work this car, just like they did on the 350Z. Let's not forget though, for anyone following imports, and into cars such as the Supra, Skyline, NSX, 350Z, etc, this new Skyline/GTR is by far the greatest performance car to come out of Japan, with unlimited potential.
 
Corvettes forever!!!



I'm down with the General. Lutz won't stand for the 'Vette not being the top dog.
 
NavindraLR said:
Scott: I understand what you're saying about the Z06 putting down more power than the GTR, but you cant really knock on the GTR's engine for needing turbos to put down the power that it does. They are two completely different concepts, and nissan's thing has been turbo inline 4's and turbo 6's ever since back in the day such as the S14. Take the Porsche 911 Turbo for example.. You can't really say that the Z06's engine is better because it doesnt need turbos to put out a huge amount of power.. all they are is two different designs. You are right though about the slicks, I have seen a rwd Supra Sh!t on an awd Skyline (R34), while both had 1000whp @ a drag strip. I think you're a vette guy though lol. :nana:
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I have a NISSAN Maxima, trust me, I know that even n/a, Nissan V6 engines have great power and torque. Ask the H22 Prelude from the other night... ;)



What I am saying is the Z06 has a huge displacement advantage that equal mod for equal mod, the GT-R can never make up. It has nothing to do with liking one over the other because I'd take either in a heartbeat. I just felt the need to defend the honor of my Z06 customers because of some of the statements earlier in the thread.
 
66#1 said:
Corvettes forever!!!



I'm down with the General. Lutz won't stand for the 'Vette not being the top dog.
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Then Lutz needs to be aware of this car... :grinno:



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SpoiledMan said:
And which car with 900+ will put the power to the ground the best?
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When you talk about modded cars, man anything goes. Who's to say that one car is superior to another based on moddability? To a degree anyway, obviously a Corvette probably is an easier platform to mod for performance than an Aveo. Though that doesn't mean someone out there couldn't do some amazing thing to an Aveo that hardly costs much at all. Mods, anything goes.



FYI, there are RWD cars that can put 9,000 horsepower to the ground. There are a lot more factors than AWD vs RWD.



And again, I'm not trying to put down the GT-R. I'm sure it's fast and fun. I just don't get it personally. I don't see where it brings either more to the market than is already there, or where it brings something that is already there but for less money. Possibly this is due to the fact that I don't have any respect for myself though? :nixweiss
 
Harry Houdini said:
well you are talking about a Chevy, nice history there.
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Maybe you should do a search at JD Power instead of for Grand Turismo 5 videos. You might find that Chevrolet is ranked a fair bit above Nissan in 3-year quality. Or do a search in this thread, and notice that I was not the one to bring up build quality in a discussion of performance cars.



Harry Houdini said:
I my self own cars and I never take pride in 1/4 race's

nor racers for that matter
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Gotcha. You just take pride in 0-60mph times.



Harry Houdini said:
The video is in front of you, is speaks for it self.

fan boy? I though you were worthy of a conversation and

you would have more respect than that, that is if you respect your self in the first place.
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You presented nothing in your reply worthy of conversing on. Which should I have focused on, the "technology" or the "smaller motor" argument? That link of videos had a bunch of Grand Turismo 5 GT-R stuff, and some older skyline stuff. I didn't really feel like knocking myself out sifting through videos in order to figure out what your point was supposed to be.



If you think I'm some jerk because of it, well what can I say, you are entitled to your opinion. If you want to present some further points in a logical manner, I'd be happy to hear them.
 
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