M105 hits like a little girl...

Dirty-Sanchez said:
I have to agree with you on this one.....:bigups
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Both you and David should look at the last 2 pictures of the Vette that Shine posted. Those deep straight lines will not come out in one pass and 105 or the other polishes mentioned.



Haven't you ever come across paint like that? :confused::confused::confused:
 
Strada 1000 "rocks in a bottle" and edge black wool at 2k. You can work the S1000 for a long time. It still may take 2-3x. Then clean that up with P1500/green edge wool or SIP/Green german LC foam. Followed by ultrafina or 085RD.



Do not work the M105 longer, it will not matter and will become a PITA to get off the paint.
 
What wool pad are you using, the LC lambswool types? If so you may likely need to move up to a traditional wool pad, like those from LC.



The twisted wool will give you far more cut but also far more swirls which will need to be knocked down in the proceeding steps.



The idea here is to go for fine, uniform swirls. I think far too many detailers go for instant leveling with little to no swirls left behind but on hard clears with a good amount of correction needed that's just not going to happen. Think of paint correction much like finishing furniture. You need to go from coarse to fine, the challenge with paint is finding the right combo of pad/product/rpm.



So a softer clear or softer paint may take 2 steps to correct the finish while a harder clear will take 3 or 4 steps, considering both have equal defects.



Your next possible jump would be to wet sand BUT that should not be something taken on without a good deal of experience.



Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
What wool pad are you using, the LC lambswool types? If so you may likely need to move up to a traditional wool pad, like those from LC.



The twisted wool will give you far more cut but also far more swirls which will need to be knocked down in the proceeding steps.



The idea here is to go for fine, uniform swirls. I think far too many detailers go for instant leveling with little to no swirls left behind but on hard clears with a good amount of correction needed that's just not going to happen. Think of paint correction much like finishing furniture. You need to go from coarse to fine, the challenge with paint is finding the right combo of pad/product/rpm.



So a softer clear or softer paint may take 2 steps to correct the finish while a harder clear will take 3 or 4 steps, considering both have equal defects.



Your next possible jump would be to wet sand BUT that should not be something taken on without a good deal of experience.



Anthony
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Good post Anthony. I couldn't agree more. I know I've been guilty of that before!
 
tdekany said:
Both you and David should look at the last 2 pictures of the Vette that Shine posted. Those deep straight lines will not come out in one pass and 105 or the other polishes mentioned.



Haven't you ever come across paint like that? :confused::confused::confused:
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Doesn't seem too out of the ordinary to me? :nixweiss



1 good pass of 105 with PFW gave me total correction on this black C6:



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The entire car was like this & I didn't even need a cutting wool pad.
 
David, we are talking about a C5 Vette, not the new ones.



No wonder you are accusing people of BS.



I will challange you to correct a C5 panel that looks like that in one pass with 105.





David Fermani said:
Doesn't seem too out of the ordinary to me? :nixweiss



1 good pass of 105 with PFW gave me total correction on this black C6:



2007Corvette-Black024.jpg




The entire car was like this & I didn't even need a cutting wool pad.
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David Fermani said:
Picus - how is the color white playing into this equation of swirl removal difficulty? You're not polishing the base coat. Atleast I hope not.
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Ya, I try to get to primer on most of the cars I detail... :nana:



I find some colors from some manufacturers to be harder/softer. I realize it's all clearcoated and it's probably the same clear, just my experience.



Anyway, we're OT. Shine, have you had any luck?
 
tdekany said:
David, we are talking about a C5 Vette, not the new ones.
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I didn't realize DuPont changed the formulation of their clear at the Bowling Green plant that much where C6's are that much easier to correct?



tdekany said:
No wonder you are accusing people of BS.
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After owning a C5 (white) and having worked on several dozens of them, I'd say I know their paint well enough to realize that if the compounds I used 5-10 years ago worked, 105 will too.



tdekany said:
I will challange you to correct a C5 panel that looks like that in one pass with 105.
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A N Y D A Y O F T H E W E E K
 
Sure. I'll go run out and find one right now. Maybe there's one stashed behind the Used Car department at my local Chevy dealer. I'll plug my Makita in under their flood lights and snap away.
 
It doesn't have to be this bad but you will need these same type of imperfections. (the white one shows these as well)



You will not level the paint in one pass. Especially not in with 105 and it's short working time.





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David Fermani said:
Sure. I'll go run out and find one right now. Maybe there's one stashed behind the Used Car department at my local Chevy dealer. I'll plug my Makita in under their flood lights and snap away.
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So what is it? ANYDAYOFTHEWEEK or you can't really back up what you are claiming?



You don't have to do it right now but being sarcastic with your above statement and after disrespecting Shine is not very classy, is it David?



Shine came for help and instead of being helpful you were an a$$.
 
tdekany said:
It doesn't have to be this bad but you will need these same type of imperfections. (the white one shows these as well)



You will not level the paint in one pass. Especially not in with 105 and it's short working time.
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tdekany said:
So what is it? ANYDAYOFTHEWEEK or you can't really back up what you are claiming?



You don't have to do it right now but being sarcastic with your above statement and after disrespecting Shine is not very classy, is it David?



Shine came for help and instead of being helpful you were an a$$.
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:bigupsI just loaded up the Makita, wool pad, 105 and my camera in the trunk of my car & I'll be on the hunt for beat up black and/or white C5's 1st thing next week. Seeing that C5's are harder than C6's, does that mean C4's are even harder? :rolleyes:
 
IMHO I can see the OP's point about M105. You look at the packaging and the little arrow goes up to 12 on the Megs scale. The use of "Ultra" is very misleading. You'd think this stuff would be one of the most abrasive products on the market but it definately isn't the case. It does finish out insanely well for a compound with this level of abrasiveness. I was quite impressed with that aspect of the product. I too had some trouble with initial application but I had better results with my second attempt at using it. Holden recommended prepping my 3M wool compounding pad with straight water instead of QD (CG Speed Wipe) and that seemed to help. I also agree that results with this product will only get better over time as there is a significant learning curve.



A buddy came by yesterday with his metallic grey FJ cruiser. He has some brush scratches from off-roading front-to-back all over the sides. One pass of M105 with the wool pad+rotary completely removed the scratches to the untrained eye (I could still see it but the owner couldn't until I pointed it out). Nonetheless the owner was quite impressed! I removed another deeper scratch with 2000+4000 grit wet and a single M105 pass as well. On this paint the M105 really shined as it left a surface that did not seem to need polishing. Granted I didn't have the truck under the halogens but boy does it finish out really well. :hifive:



M105 continues to impress and should be a part of every detailers product line IMHO. Now I need to get off my arse and test the new quart of D151 I just got from ADS. :drool:
 
David Fermani said:
:bigupsI just loaded up the Makita, wool pad, 105 and my camera in the trunk of my car & I'll be on the hunt for beat up black and/or white C5's 1st thing next week. Seeing that C5's are harder than C6's, does that mean C4's are even harder? :rolleyes:
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We are you asking me? You stated that you have worked on enough vettes. So you should know that answer to your own question.



Just produce the proof that you can level the paint in one pass. According to you that should be very easy.



I'll say it agan: if someone asks for help, either do your part or don't say anything.:down:down:down:down
 
God shut up already and quit with the p!ssing contest.



If you want a little more work time out of #105 mix it with #80. That combo has led to amazing success for me.
 
Picus said:
Anyway, we're OT. Shine, have you had any luck?
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Unfortunately, the car is tucked away in a garage under a car cover with the owner now and it wasn't scheduled for a full correction...so I probably won't have access to it for a while. However, I wanted to see what I could correct, was disappointed, and created this thread.



I'd love to go at it again though, with a different compound/technique.



Thanks again for the suggestions everyone. I'll have to add a couple of those compounds as a backup to M105.
 
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