Treatment man
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just a question whats with the mequiars 100% carnauba
i thought there was no such thing how can it boughned to your car????
i thought there was no such thing how can it boughned to your car????
100% carnauba ??????????
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autoweenie
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What it means is that the wax inside is 100% carnauba
(that is, no bee wax, ear wax, etc).
No, it does not mean it is 100% carnauba by content.
(that is, no bee wax, ear wax, etc).
No, it does not mean it is 100% carnauba by content.
Treatment man
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oh ok thanks
that makes sense
that makes sense
It just means that it contains a mixture of pure carnauba wax, probably a yellow carnauba grade, and solvents that makes it in its liquid form. The wax is not supposed to have cleaning agents, thus the claim "100%."
Those over the counter waxes probably will contain anywhere between 5% and 15% (benefit of the doubt) of carnauba content.
There is no wax on the market that will contain 100% carnauba, because of carnauba's brittle natural state, which without solvents would be unsuitable to apply to your car. It is claimed that natural carnauba will have the consistency of a brick or concrete.
Not so fast.....the better carnaubas will have more of the carnauba content percentage wise, and generally will cost more than your typical waxes. Zymol (love them or hate them) waxes contains the highest carnauba content available in the market. Their highest quality wax will have a content at or around 61 percent.
Another thing....it matters greatly not just the content of carnauba, but the grade, or level of refined carnauba. There are various levels of yellow (cheaper waxes will have crude versions of yellow), #1 yellow, and the more expensive and rare white and #1 white carnauba. The higher the grade (#1 white is regarded as the highest grade carnauba available) will typically yield the clearest and most intense resolution.
Some people will not pay much attention to this stuff, and the grade of wax won't make much of a difference to them. However, the seasoned carnauba detailers and connoisseurs (sp...that word again) of concourse quality automobiles will make distinctions in the refinement of carnauba finishes.
The short of it is......find the best wax that will yield you results, by experimenting with high and lower end waxes, and produce the best resolution in your finish that will exceed your expectations.
Those over the counter waxes probably will contain anywhere between 5% and 15% (benefit of the doubt) of carnauba content.
There is no wax on the market that will contain 100% carnauba, because of carnauba's brittle natural state, which without solvents would be unsuitable to apply to your car. It is claimed that natural carnauba will have the consistency of a brick or concrete.
Not so fast.....the better carnaubas will have more of the carnauba content percentage wise, and generally will cost more than your typical waxes. Zymol (love them or hate them) waxes contains the highest carnauba content available in the market. Their highest quality wax will have a content at or around 61 percent.
Another thing....it matters greatly not just the content of carnauba, but the grade, or level of refined carnauba. There are various levels of yellow (cheaper waxes will have crude versions of yellow), #1 yellow, and the more expensive and rare white and #1 white carnauba. The higher the grade (#1 white is regarded as the highest grade carnauba available) will typically yield the clearest and most intense resolution.
Some people will not pay much attention to this stuff, and the grade of wax won't make much of a difference to them. However, the seasoned carnauba detailers and connoisseurs (sp...that word again) of concourse quality automobiles will make distinctions in the refinement of carnauba finishes.
The short of it is......find the best wax that will yield you results, by experimenting with high and lower end waxes, and produce the best resolution in your finish that will exceed your expectations.
Treatment man
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who decides on what carnauba is the best ??
is it a personal opinion or is there a test to compare ?
i hear a lot of people on this site talking about meguirs carnauba wax and other meguirs products being the best out there but i dont see meguirs as a high end product like symol,zaino,SP21s and the Treatment (yes my favorite)
is it a personal opinion or is there a test to compare ?
i hear a lot of people on this site talking about meguirs carnauba wax and other meguirs products being the best out there but i dont see meguirs as a high end product like symol,zaino,SP21s and the Treatment (yes my favorite)
That's a good one............a lot of results are just that, based on opinion.
There have been a lot of tests of waxes as well, and a lot of those have been based on the test taker's findings. Some tests have used fairly structured approaches in determining wax performance, however, the visual results have usually been the predominant indicator of performance of a wax to its observer.
Just because a wax has more of a content or "more refined" ingredients will not necessarily deem it the best for everyone. Factors that are important include affordability, ease of use, duration, and finish resolution. The best wax may or may not be the same for each person if it is out of reach or hard to use. If you are evaluating a wax or are trying to find a quality wax, then content and grade of carnauba, as well as the visible results, are good indicators of the wax's potential in terms of finish quality.
The best wax, like I hinted at earlier, will end up being the wax that satisfies its user the most.
There have been a lot of tests of waxes as well, and a lot of those have been based on the test taker's findings. Some tests have used fairly structured approaches in determining wax performance, however, the visual results have usually been the predominant indicator of performance of a wax to its observer.
Just because a wax has more of a content or "more refined" ingredients will not necessarily deem it the best for everyone. Factors that are important include affordability, ease of use, duration, and finish resolution. The best wax may or may not be the same for each person if it is out of reach or hard to use. If you are evaluating a wax or are trying to find a quality wax, then content and grade of carnauba, as well as the visible results, are good indicators of the wax's potential in terms of finish quality.
The best wax, like I hinted at earlier, will end up being the wax that satisfies its user the most.
detailforfun
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Treatment man said:
Your wallet will decide most of the time and often times it depends who you talk to. This wax thing won't break the bank, BUT, hehehehe, it could make a "huge" dent. Just me, I always hold my wallet when I surf the net. heheheh. Just me!:nixweiss :nixweiss
imported_memnuts
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lbls1 said:
There are some wax manufacturers that advertise the use of only white carnauba in their products. There is no such thing as an albino carnauba tree (the power of advertising).
Number one grade yellow carnauba is the highest quality available. Bleaching does nothing for improving its quality.
topnotchtouch
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blkZ28Conv said:
It could be they are referring to the look of white vs yellow carnauba on paint. White generally gives a clear look so the true color of the paint shows through and yellow carnauba tends to darken the paint. Maybe that is what they are referring to when they tout the benefits of white carnauba?
P.S. I see you live near VIR. Could I ask if you have any suggestions for places to stay near VIR? I am thinking of dragging the family up there next weekend for the Factory Five Challenge Series Finals. They are also having a car show.
imported_memnuts
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rjstaaf said:
Many of the racers / auto clubs stay at the Courtyard(Marriott), Hampton Inn and Holiday Inn Express. These logdings are in Danville, Va, about 10 miles (20 mins drive) from VIR. Probably should book ASAP because of the holiday (Labor Day weekend).
Hope this helps. :wavey
blkZ28Conv said:
Zymol claims that they use #1 white carnauba. To clarify, white is sometimes called ivory, but Zymol explains it as coming from a pale yellow carnauba. The pale yellow, or "white" is regarded as the highest quality carnauba. Some used to say that the carnauba gets bleached into white, but I wouldn't necessarily believe that claim.
Zymol (unlike a lot of waxes) certifies the contents of all of their premium waxes.
See: http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Detailing/waxglaze.htm
http://www.zymol.com/carnauba.htm
Guru also mentioned "Ivory" carnauba briefly, but did not elaborate on the term.
topnotchtouch
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blkZ28Conv said:
Thanks much, we got one of the last two rooms left at the Hampton Inn for that weekend.
Sould be a lot of fun, I am gonna be taking lots of pictures and will post them next week.
:wavey
topnotchtouch
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Just as blkz28conv I always thought that white carnauba was just yellow carnauba that had been bleached. Did some searching and found this on Zymol's website. Don't know how true it is as I have yet to see it anywhere else but, will continue to look.
""White" Carnauba is made from the sap of very young palmetto plants and is highly transparent."
http://www.zymol.com/whichwax.htm
EDIT: Everything I have seen leads me to believe that white carnauba=pale yellow carnauba. It all seems to point to something similar to the quote from Zymol above that white carnauba comes from very young palms.
http://www.arbortech.com.au/articles/036.html
"The most widely used are the prime # 1 yellow grade which is a very pale yellow wax usually available in flake, lump, or powdered form."
http://www.texasdrone.com/carnauba-wax.htm
I wonder though if some white carnauba is actually bleached yellow carnauba?
""White" Carnauba is made from the sap of very young palmetto plants and is highly transparent."
http://www.zymol.com/whichwax.htm
EDIT: Everything I have seen leads me to believe that white carnauba=pale yellow carnauba. It all seems to point to something similar to the quote from Zymol above that white carnauba comes from very young palms.
http://www.arbortech.com.au/articles/036.html
"The most widely used are the prime # 1 yellow grade which is a very pale yellow wax usually available in flake, lump, or powdered form."
http://www.texasdrone.com/carnauba-wax.htm
I wonder though if some white carnauba is actually bleached yellow carnauba?
topnotchtouch
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4DSC said:
I think they are indicating by the 100% carnauba claim that there is no beeswax or parafin wax in the mix. As I have seen stated in several places, Carnauba in its natural state is harder than concrete. I imagine it would do some serious damage to rub that 100% carnauba brick on your paint
Treatment man
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So why then if Carnuaba is the hardest natural wax known, do people say it doesn't last???
Is there a non carnauba wax that will last longer???
I have been using it on customers cars and telling them it lasts at least 3 months, am I wrong in saying that??? Is there something that I should be using under the carnauba wax to seal it, because from Zymol's webpage they say that:
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"Carnauba swells and closes its pores when exposed to water. Carnauba also dramatically reduces paint oxidation by diffusing (refracting) UV and infrared radiation from the sun which can oxidize and dull your paint finish."
Other people have told me that carnauba is outdated and noone uses it anymore because there is stuff out there that works better and lasts longer.
Is there a non carnauba wax that will last longer???
I have been using it on customers cars and telling them it lasts at least 3 months, am I wrong in saying that??? Is there something that I should be using under the carnauba wax to seal it, because from Zymol's webpage they say that:
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"Carnauba swells and closes its pores when exposed to water. Carnauba also dramatically reduces paint oxidation by diffusing (refracting) UV and infrared radiation from the sun which can oxidize and dull your paint finish."
Other people have told me that carnauba is outdated and noone uses it anymore because there is stuff out there that works better and lasts longer.
forrest@mothers
Serious no BS kinda guy
The % of carnauba is a wax is basically meaningless, except as a marketing statement.
Different formulae will support different percentages of carnauba to reach a saturation point - the point at which adding more ceases to make it better.
Depending on many variables (types and amounts of solvents, oils, etc. used), the formula will only hold "x" amount. Once you cross that point, the product doesn't get any better, but it does allow your advertising people to say you have more than anyone else.
It goes back to the, "Mine is bigger/faster/better" than yours.
Boys and their toys.
I'm still searching for that albino carnauba tree, too.
Different formulae will support different percentages of carnauba to reach a saturation point - the point at which adding more ceases to make it better.
Depending on many variables (types and amounts of solvents, oils, etc. used), the formula will only hold "x" amount. Once you cross that point, the product doesn't get any better, but it does allow your advertising people to say you have more than anyone else.
It goes back to the, "Mine is bigger/faster/better" than yours.
Boys and their toys.
I'm still searching for that albino carnauba tree, too.
A lot of people do not believe that carnauba last. In fact, this couldn't be farther from the truth. Some people also have the misconception that you have to pile on many coatings in one session in order for carnauba to work.
Carnauba has to be applied SLOWLY in increments of one or up to two coats, and allowed to cure (dry) over a day or a couple of days before adding on additional coats.
A carnauba waxed surface will also last beyond three months (believe me). A lot of people also associate beading and gloss with wax protection. Carnauba will remain on your paint surface much longer than the beading and gloss attributes have dissipated. The beading and gloss are promoted by added ingredients to the wax. The wax itself, although when applied it turns into a micro thin resolution, sinks down into the paint, and will not react to water by itself. The wax will need to be removed with a cleaning solvent, such as an example, detergents or cleaning agents (polishes).
That is one of the reasons why wax has to be removed, in addition to the dirt on the paint, in order for you to have the optimal resolution. In time, wax will become saturated with dirt and oxidation from the paint, and if you put additional coats on top of old wax, your finish will look cloudy and dull.
Carnauba has to be applied SLOWLY in increments of one or up to two coats, and allowed to cure (dry) over a day or a couple of days before adding on additional coats.
A carnauba waxed surface will also last beyond three months (believe me). A lot of people also associate beading and gloss with wax protection. Carnauba will remain on your paint surface much longer than the beading and gloss attributes have dissipated. The beading and gloss are promoted by added ingredients to the wax. The wax itself, although when applied it turns into a micro thin resolution, sinks down into the paint, and will not react to water by itself. The wax will need to be removed with a cleaning solvent, such as an example, detergents or cleaning agents (polishes).
That is one of the reasons why wax has to be removed, in addition to the dirt on the paint, in order for you to have the optimal resolution. In time, wax will become saturated with dirt and oxidation from the paint, and if you put additional coats on top of old wax, your finish will look cloudy and dull.