Zymol Concours vs. Natty's Blue!

Right - I was thinking non-Zymol waxes in that price range.

I've heard of the Victoria, but not Swissol - found 'em both online but... That's a lot of money. I'd prefer smaller sizes, less money to try something. Maybe I'll give the Victoria 1/2 size a shot.



Thanks for the run-down.
 
Mitchubishievo said:
How about Concours? On their website it's about $136....not too much more over $100 IMO. I doubt I'll get it though...Japon and Carbon are very tempting right now....
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Around Christmas time they usually run a special on Concours for about $100.



I've been a Zymol user for many years now. As others have already stated in this thread, the results you get with Zymol are IMHO unmatched by other waxes or sealants. As with all discussions of this type though keep in mind that person opinion and local conditions play a large part in the buying decision. Also, as already stated Zymol's prices are ridiculous and it's difficult to justify the additional expense. Expense aside though, I believe Zymol estate glazes out perform all competitors in every category aside from durability.



I mostly find that criticism of Zymol comes from those who have never used it and probably have never even seen it being used. I've been using it for years and during that time I've bought other waxes like P21S, DP Max Wax, Pinnacle Soveran, Megs #16, Mother's California Gold, Wolfgang Sealant, Menzerna FMJ, and many others. Each time I always end up going back to Zymol.



The massive collection of car care products I have in my garage would attest to the fact that I don't mind spending some money on the care of my car. As my goal is to have the best detailed car and I don't concern myself with value at least to some degree (I'm not going to spend $1K on wax), I don't mind spending the extra money on Zymol because I know I will be more pleased with the result.
 
What do you guys think about the Zymol Titanium Estate Glaze. Seems like it would be the most durable, but says its meant for SUV's. I'm sure it would be fine on cars though.
 
GSRstilez said:
They key to a deeper, wetter, richer carnauba is more oil :D. Just look at Souveran!
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It's more reasonably priced, that's for sure. Have you tried it over Klasse? I'm looking for that deep wet look, but like the longterm protection I get with Klasse. My spring Klasse applications are finished. Now I'm thinking of putting on a high quality carnuba for that extra shine.
 
lcmseng said:
It's more reasonably priced, that's for sure. Have you tried it over Klasse? I'm looking for that deep wet look, but like the longterm protection I get with Klasse. My spring Klasse applications are finished. Now I'm thinking of putting on a high quality carnuba for that extra shine.
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Honestly, I only touch the "heavy-duty-nubas" which, for example, include:



-FK1 Pink Wax

-Collonite #476



Spit shine these with a quality QD (FK1 #425/Sonus or Pinnacle Carnauba Mist) and you have a pretty comparable shine to a Souveran-like product, with 3 times the durability.
 
According to my friend, the "Carbon" looks very similar to the concours, at a much more reasonable price. If you look up the Zymol site (which I did after I saw the results), the chart they offer shows it as being designed for med - dark colors. He says he uses the Concours solely for dark colors as well (and that that's what it was designed for). Whatever it's worth.



I still love Blitz, S100, CMW, 1ZGlanz, UPP and others, and (now) "LIKE" Natty's Blue :furious: (though I still can't stand the smell).





By the way, he used to be a dealer for both Zymol waxes, and that's how he seems to have gotten to know their "properties".
 
I have a metallic silver car, so I realize getting that deep wet look is tough. But I'll give one of those mentioned products a try, probably the FK1 pink. It can't hurt. Thanks.
 
How about one of you Estate Glaze users figuring out a way to use it by machine ;) Some, like the Cyclo do generate a bit of heat and maybe they'd effect the same softening that bodyheat is supposed ot provide.



I may be beating a dead horse here, but being overwhelmed with my detailing chores as it is I'm simply not gonna do the by-hand thing.
 
Accumulator said:
How about one of you Estate Glaze users figuring out a way to use it by machine ;) Some, like the Cyclo do generate a bit of heat and maybe they'd effect the same softening that bodyheat is supposed ot provide.
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Either that or only apply the wax in 100 degree weather. Or let it sit in the sun for a few minutes before you apply it? Use a halogen lamp to warm your applicator? :)
 
animes2k- Yeah, but I wonder how those kinds of measures would work out as things are gonna cool off while I'm working...I fear my hassle-tolerance is just too low for this stuff...
 
Accumulator said:
I may be beating a dead horse here, but being overwhelmed with my detailing chores as it is I'm simply not gonna do the by-hand thing.
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I'm not sure why you think hand application would be a hassle. It takes me the exact same amount of time to use the bare handed application method as it does to use a foam applicator pad.



It's really easy. You just put a little in your palm, then rub your hands together for a second, then rub your hands across the paint in a straight line following the direction of air flow over the car. I always wash my hands first, but for me that's the only extra step and doesn't take me any longer than digging up a foam applicator.



As a side note, I once tried applying Zymol Concours by foam applicator. The wax remained chunky and didn't spread well at all.

wannafbody said:
Any wax can look good after application-how does Zymol look after a wash?
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What I've experienced is that Zymol maintains it's shine and the surface remains ultra smooth after washing.
 
I have gone through many waxes and sealants, always trying the latest thing I hear about on Autopia. But Zymol is my "go to" carnuba. I have lightly used jars of Souveran, S100, Blitz, P21S, plenty of synthetics, but Zymol Concours and Carbon are the ones I keep using.



I think Zymol holds up better after a wash, when compared to other carnubas. When I need long term protection, I go with Zaino. For that concours winning look - Zymol!



Lou
 
I have gone through many waxes and sealants, always trying the latest thing I hear about on Autopia. But Zymol is my "go to" carnuba. I have lightly used jars of Souveran, S100, Blitz, P21S, plenty of synthetics, but Zymol Concours and Carbon are the ones I keep using.



I think Zymol holds up better after a wash -- when compared to other carnubas. When I need long term protection, I go with Zaino. For that concours winning look - Zymol!



Lou
 
Mikeyc said:
I'm not sure why you think hand application would be a hassle. It takes me the exact same amount of time to use the bare handed application method as it does to use a foam applicator pad..
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Perhaps "hassle" was the wrong word; I just don't want to be doing that with my hands. I did Souveran that way a few times and it's not something I enjoy. I do about 90% of my waxing by machine anyhow, purely a personal preference, but one I feel quite strongly about. Might change my mind at some point, but I wanna try to figure out alternatives first.



Another question (hey, I'm *still* interested in this stuff ;) ) - Once you get the wax on there, how long do you wait until you buff it off. I've quit doing W-O-W-O with Souveran, for example, and I now let it set up like any other LSP. Wondered what the procedure is for the Estate Glazes...
 
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