Zaino vs NXT

Get a sealant. Poorboys or Wolfgang or Blackfire or Zaino or 1Z Glanz or NXT or Meguiars #26 or SG. They will last. Top em if you want, and then the elements will have to eat through the carnuba first.



I'm ColorX/S100ing right now.



Oh, and if any of the Griots people chime in, just don't drink the Koolaid. ;)



Edited to add: Looked at the pictures. I love your paint. But obviously not as much as you love your paint. :D
 
thanks guys, all this is helping a lot. I may have a friend in the states that can help me out if I take the NXT route. I just have been so turned off from meguiars products in the past that I'm hesitant. But most reviews are really good. Our weather up here REALLY tests a wax. Salt is not used a lot up here, in some places yes, but lots of god damn sand/tar, among other things instead.



I don't know why Wax companies "test" wax like they do. Give me a wax, I'll let you know if it works without a doubt. Sure, lets take a nice Vette, Porsche Bimmer or whatever, and stick some wax on it. Oh yeah, and u live where it never rains, and the only thing you have to worry about is sun/smog, and some humidity. While I'm jealous of the weather/cars, and money to buy whatever wax you want....I just don't think that's the best way to test wax. Couple months of one of our winters, and your paint gets WORKED hard. My paint is really rough right now. Lots of Tar and just road crap built up over winter. this happens every year, and I'll go through a couple of clay bars to clean it every spring. My spring Cleaning takes me a few days without being picky.



Anyhow, keep the stuff coming guys!



I love this site
 
yup, tar all over my car man. Fact of life here. They just do some poor paving jobs late in the year, and some patch work over the winter, and it just gets everywhere.



Newfoundland. Island on the East Coast.
 
TortoiseAWD said:
I did, however, get smearing when removing it from a dark colored car (a couple of others mentioned having this problem, but most don't seem to . . . dunno why it happened on this particular car).



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I got it too when I tried it on jet black. It took some extra elbow grease to remove all the smearing. IMO, NXT's ease of use is a tad overrated. Kinda frustrating when we're dealing with a product that only lasts a few weeks.



After trying NXT for the third time a few weekends ago, I've decided that I'm done with this product.



newf, if you're looking for a product that doesn't powder or stain trim and will last you through the winter, I would consider Klasse or Zaino.
 
FlyNavy said:
Certainly NOT my experience. I used Zaino on my Z06 for two years UNTIL I tried NXT. NXT is at least as shiny and is about 4 times easier to deal with.



There are some Zaino product that I will not part with however -- the two leather treatment products are really nice, as is the glass polish.
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That has nothing to do with what I said. One bottle of Zaino is capable of enough coats to last a single car for more than 2 years.



I realize that protection can't exactly be determined on any product, but again one bottle of Zaino will last and last and last. I said nothing about its level of difficulty to use.
 
Newf, you in a very difficult situation where NO product is realistically going to last all winter. Your quest is to find some way (rent a space, find a friend with a garage, etc) to care for your vehicle every 6-8 weeks. Paint maintenence is like exercising, you can always find an excuse not to do both, but none of these excuses really hold water.

I am talking from 40+ years of living in New England and washing a car between snow piles when the temp got above 32* just so that I could remove the winter grime when possible.

Yes Klasse and Zaino have track records for enduring protection but do not place too much stock on any product beyond 2 months for complete finish protection in a harsh environment. JMHO
 
try washing a car in -40 C. Garage or not. it's COLD. That's assuming you can even get the water going. I'm not expecting Nov-April Protection. I've been doing cars for about 15 yrs myself. But, I do not like these waxes that only last 3-4 weeks. That's pathetic imho for the time you put into it. My Mothers, after a few coats, starts to look bad after about 5-7, maybe 8 weeks. Not bad at all. Meguiars Gold , I felt like I had to redo it every 3 weeks.



I've never used Zaino obviously, and with the layering effect, in theory it seems it should last quite a bit longer then most. It seems to take alchohol to clean it off, so water alone shouldn't strip it much like a normal wax would.
 
excuse all the q's guys



With Zaino. Say you mix some Z5 with ZFX. Do you have to use it all that day? Or can you let it sit? I'm assuming, once it's mixed, you have to use it all in one shot? Of course I don't meant the entire bottle, just what you mixed.
 
newf said:
excuse all the q's guys



With Zaino. Say you mix some Z5 with ZFX. Do you have to use it all that day? Or can you let it sit? I'm assuming, once it's mixed, you have to use it all in one shot? Of course I don't meant the entire bottle, just what you mixed.
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I think if you go to the Zaino sight and read it top to bottom and the FAQ it will answer all your Q.
 
Zaino looks SOOOO pretty when done right though.





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Some good and bad news.



1st - NXT wax (wash, protectant will not be sold) will be sold in Canada through Canadian Tire this summer. It's already being sold through UAP/Autopartsource etc supposedly.



2nd - Meguiars Canada will be selling online shortly. I actually with the head of office a few weeks ago and they're a few weeks away. However, it's only in Ontario to start.



Paco
 
paco said:
Some good and bad news.



1st - NXT wax (wash, protectant will not be sold) will be sold in Canada through Canadian Tire this summer. It's already being sold through UAP/Autopartsource etc supposedly.



2nd - Meguiars Canada will be selling online shortly. I actually with the head of office a few weeks ago and they're a few weeks away. However, it's only in Ontario to start.



Paco
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The unfortunate part about Canadian Tire is .. your going to pay through the ying yang for it as we do for anything else they sell. It will prolly go for $25 or more.
 
newf said:
But, I do not like these waxes that only last 3-4 weeks. That's pathetic imho for the time you put into it. My Mothers, after a few coats, starts to look bad after about 5-7, maybe 8 weeks. Not bad at all. Meguiars Gold , I felt like I had to redo it every 3 weeks.
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I agree 100%.



newf said:
I've never used Zaino obviously, and with the layering effect, in theory it seems it should last quite a bit longer then most. It seems to take alchohol to clean it off, so water alone shouldn't strip it much like a normal wax would.
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Like a typical Zaino Zealot, I get very good durability with just a single coat. :) If you use their wash (Z-7), there won't be any stripping going on at all. In fact, the wash & QD complement the sealant very well and do a great job in rejuvination its shine and slickness. Check out this thread below...



The value of Zaino Z6 and Z7



With multiple coats, you'll have no problem making it through a harsh winter season......it's been well documented here (but only if you officially declare yourself a Zaino Zealot....of course!). :D
 
Here's my opinion on protection (I know I'm getting flamed for this)



I have yet to experience any wax that will protect my paint when it is most critical! When is it most critical do you ask? When a bird decides to bomb it or after a misaligned sprinkler head sprays reclaimed water all over the paint on a bright sunny day. I don't care who's wax your using you will always end up with minor paint damage. Some products may give you a small window to remove the bird bomb before it has time to take affect but anything more than 20 hours and you can forget it. My wifes CRV had less than 30 day old Zaino on the hood and a bird dropping etched the clearcoat so I'm speaking from experience. Do I blame Zaino, nope. I just don't think waxes are good at protecting when it matters most. Flame away.



Protection in the winter is definitely a difficult task to achieve and I'm convinced that nothing will provide protection for the entire length. But then again you say you only keep the car for a couple of years so does it really matter. I've never done this test myself but I'm confident in saying that no wax will maintain that just waxed appearance through a harsh winter. Hell Zaino couldn't do it on my wifes CRV for 3 months last summer. I'm not saying NXT will either, I just think it's impossible. I get frustrated reading so many posts claiming good and bad protection to the point where I take them with a grain of salt. WHY?? Because my experiences have always been different. So maybe what I'm trying to say is try the products or find a friend locally to let you sample them and decide for yourself which you like better. Don't take other peoples words for it.



BTW I've lived in the Northeast (Upstate NY) and now here in SoCal (probably not for much longer though) and I can say conditions in SoCal are just as bad as the Northeast, not the same but just as bad. Polution in SoCal is a nightmare and demands just as much protection as an east coast winter so don't discount any tests done here. No doubt keeping the car clean year round is much easier but that doesn't mean this climate doesn't take it's toll on paint.



From reading this entire thread it sounds to me like you're already sold on Zaino, but that's my impression.



Hope I didn't piss anyone off.:)
 
Afshin, That's the point I was trying to make. Do not rely on a protectant, I have try most of the popular boutique brands and like you mentioned they all fail under adverse conditions (salt brime :shocked). My suggestion to the thread starter was "maintain" whatever protectant you use. Find a way. Of course one would not wash when it is -40* but I am sure there is several windows of opportunity when the ambient conditions are favorable for a good coat of protection. Find a friend with a garage and start a winter detailing relationship and make a positive out of those long cold boring winter evenings once a month. Tell him/her you'll bring the pizza, beer/wine and Zaino/UPP/Klasse/WG/NXT/EX/ EX-P etc and protect that investment.

No quick fixes in detailing and paint maintenence. Just a constant battle against the elements, natural degradation, and other car owners. :wavey
 
Yeah, I think I'm going to just order Zaino. It does seem to be what everything else is compared to. I've seen so many other waxes come and go as the next best thing. But Zaino is still here, and still impressing people.



blkZ28Conv: I agree with ya man. I'm sure all of us could make more effort to some degree during the winter months. I am lucky in one sense. I rarely put more then 6000 kms on the car during the winter. I live very close to work thankfully.





MBZ 500E: I know exactly where you are coming from. I don't expect a miracle wax or something that's just going to last forever. I am not by no means a pro detailer, but I have been doing this long enough to have some realistic expectations. The reason why I have been indecisive is because of myself taking what others say with a grain of salt. I don't expect someone who works for Meguiars to say go buy Zaino, but I do respect their experience and tips for their product. Nor do I expect someone who used Zaino for 5 years to tell me to buy Meguiars, but, again, through their experience Ican derive my own conclusions





As for NXT in Canada. that is nice to know. Well, sorta. I don't understand why Canada gets left out so often :( We have a need for the good stuff too. Granted, maybe not in January, but come spring we do for sure.



I wish I could "sample" both. but, no nxt in Canada means I'll have to get a buddy to "export" some to me from the US. Which, in the end will cost more then it needs to, so i'll just get Zaino from zaino.ca to begin with. Seems it'll be an investment, and very interesting to see what the fuss is about. Again, I'll draw my own conclusions, compare to waxes I've used and go from there.





All this input has helped a lot. Honesty is what I was hoping for, and that's what I got....perfect. No I got to go fax my order to Zaino....damn, their closed now. Ok Monday.



btw, this is my winter



Feb 2004

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9355



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March 2004

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12839



And yes, that is all snow in my front yard, very little hill under neath.
 
I agree with everyone in saying that protection is hard to judge. But it seems like the reason you wax is to make your car look nice, so in your scenario, I suggest Zaino. Even after very harsh conditions, all it takes is a quick wash for the Zaino slickness and shine to come back.
 
I suppose my next road block is getting some good towels. Bloody things are even harder to get then the wax.
 
You'll love Zaino. Very good product. Not the only fine product out there but one of the few very good ones.

Make sure you prep well (same for all products). Read Zaino's Website and enjoy the experience.



MF's: Exceldetail, Pakshak and Autofiber I believe ship to Canada. All excellent vendors and product lines.
 
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