Zaino MF towel was released

salty said:
Ya I never understood all the hatred towards Z. Their products all top off the class. You might pay a little more, but it is proven quality.



A well taken care of MF should last a long time, cost per vehicle is very little.



Another thread should be, "What is the true product cost of detailing a vehicle"
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i just used the whole zaino line-up myself last week for the first time ever, been a very long klasse and menzerna loyalist - i just ignored all the zaino haters or more likely the jealous people.



being in sales and marketing, you have to admit sal puts out a good product with great marketing. now will i stay with zaino, that remains to be seen - i like to change things up a lot. :cool:
 
armoredsaint said:
why don't you give Sal Zaino a call @ 732-833-8800 and report back your findings instead of assuming everything.
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C'mon, that's like if someone asks if Meguiars Gold Class is an amazing wax, they should call Barry Meguiar to confirm it. Every product manufacturer I have talked believes they have the best products.



Personally, I'd be more swayed by what rydawg has said about the towels than whatever Sal would say, just like I am more inclined to take Kevin Brown or Joe Fernandez's advice on Meguiars products over Barry Meguiars.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Again? I'm not sure they are really for sale yet, there is no press release about it on the "what's new" page. This happened once before a few years ago when there was a new product coming out, that it suddenly appeared on the website for a short time and then disappeared...like they were testing the page prior to going live.
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Now its back! Maybe they're testing the webpage, maybe the hype...
 
In regards to the towels coming up and down on the website...they are managing the demand for ordering, packaging, and delivery. They're still in the process of locking down the logistics for the towels and have done this to make sure orders are processed and delivered promptly.



This was via Tony @ Zaino on another forum.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Oh no...you too, Pat? It's only new once...if I got a pack of those Zaino towels I would use one and put the other two in a drawer...that's why I like to get MF's in bulk, then I can use like half of them and still have the other half new and in reserve...that's not OCD, is it? :o
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:cool: I know you know you're not alone. I've got a box in the top of my closet with new/unused towels. It's stuffed. I really need an additional container or a larger one. When I tell the Wife about some "new and improved" MF towel I've read about, I get the major :rolleyes: in response.



OCD? Nah. :nono
 
The Wife and I were talking about this thread and the specific comments by



Pats300zx said:
LOL...Too funny. I was looking at mine last night in the plastic wrapper...Should I or Shouldn't I....am I worthy...:bow
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Setec Astronomy said:
Oh no...you too, Pat? It's only new once...if I got a pack of those Zaino towels I would use one and put the other two in a drawer...that's why I like to get MF's in bulk, then I can use like half of them and still have the other half new and in reserve...that's not OCD, is it? :o
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Note: I did accidentally omit any discussion about my "reserve box". Though she was quick to point out that she is on to my (alleged) "strategy" to not have all my towels in a single storage closet/bin so as to somehow conceal the true number of towels that I do have. Anyway I had that coming for bringing up the topic...



But Pat, regarding your Monster Fluffy worthiness she was quick to reply "No, he's not worthy. Tell him to just send the towels to me (that is her me not me me)"
 
Scottwax said:
C'mon, that's like if someone asks if Meguiars Gold Class is an amazing wax, they should call Barry Meguiar to confirm it. Every product manufacturer I have talked believes they have the best products.



Personally, I'd be more swayed by what rydawg has said about the towels than whatever Sal would say, just like I am more inclined to take Kevin Brown or Joe Fernandez's advice on Meguiars products over Barry Meguiars.
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Exactly.



I'm still thinking they're way over priced, but as I said before, RyDawg's endorsement has really got me thinking about buying just one to try...
 
SuperBee364 said:
Exactly.



I'm still thinking they're way over priced, but as I said before, RyDawg's endorsement has really got me thinking about buying just one to try...
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I think the Cobra MF is way overpriced. These are made in the USA so at least the factory workers aren't making 10 cents an hour.
 
wannafbody said:
I think the Cobra MF is way overpriced. These are made in the USA so at least the factory workers aren't making 10 cents an hour.
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Betcha the MF is made in Korea or China, just cut into 16" squares in the USA.
 
wfedwar said:
Betcha the MF is made in Korea or China, just cut into 16" squares in the USA.
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Don't forget the inspection, folding, and bagging!



I don't know if I'll be able to resist adding a pack of these next time I order something Zaino...fortunately, I just checked my ZFX and it's still liquid (after 4 years! yay for cool, dry, dark places!), so I've dodged the towel bullet for a while...
 
jet_m3 said:
Seriously doubt the mf is made here.
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All this talk about Made in the USA certainly made me curious. So I went to the source, the Zaino website. Where is states plainly:



Made in the USA* of American and imported raw materials

Developed, processed, inspected, and packaged in the USA

Country of Origin: United States of America

*Complies with FTC regulations
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(bold emphasis from the Zaino website)



So my curiosity piqued again by what the FTC has to say. From the FTC website:



Basic Information About Made In USA Claims

Must U.S. content be disclosed on products sold in the U.S.?

U.S. content must be disclosed on automobiles and textile, wool, and fur products...[/B]
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Assuming mf falls under the category of a textile then we continue...

What products does the FTC’s Made in USA policy apply to?

The policy applies to all products advertised or sold in the U.S., except for those specifically subject to country-of-origin labeling by other laws . Other countries may have their own country-of-origin marking requirements. As a result, exporters should determine whether the country to which they are exporting imposes such requirements.
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These are advertised and sold in the U.S.. Perhaps someone could give an example which would clarify the last bit of that.

The Standard For Unqualified Made In USA Claims

What is the standard for a product to be called Made in USA without qualification?

For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.



What does "all or virtually all" mean?

"All or virtually all" means that all significant parts and processing that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. That is, the product should contain no — or negligible — foreign content.

What factors does the Commission consider to determine whether a product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.?

The product’s final assembly or processing must take place in the U.S....
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I don't really see a loophole for materials from another country. Without evidence to the contrary, my opinion is that these towels are made in America from U.S. materials.



If you seriously doubt the claims, the FTC offers this option:



What To Do About Violations

What if I suspect noncompliance with the FTC’s Made in USA standard or other country-of-origin mislabeling?

Information about possible illegal activity helps law enforcement officials target companies whose practices warrant scrutiny. If you suspect noncompliance, contact the Division of Enforcement, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, DC 20580; (202) 326-2996 or send an e-mail to MUSA@ftc.gov. If you know about import or export fraud, call Customs’ toll-free Commercial Fraud Hotline, 1-800-ITS-FAKE. Examples of fraudulent practices involving imports include removing a required foreign origin label before the product is delivered to the ultimate purchaser (with or without the improper substitution of a Made in USA label) and failing to label a product with a required country of origin.



You also can contact your state Attorney General and your local Better Business Bureau to report a company. Or you can refer your complaint to the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus by calling (212) 754-1320. NAD handles complaints about the truth and accuracy of national advertising. You can reach the Council of Better Business Bureaus on the web at adweb.com/adassoc17.html.



Finally, the Lanham Act gives any person (such as a competitor) who is damaged by a false designation of origin the right to sue the party making the false claim. Consult a lawyer to see if this private right of action is an appropriate course of action for you.
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Mr. Clean said:
I don't really see a loophole for materials from another country. Without evidence to the contrary, my opinion is that these towels are made in America from U.S. materials.
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When I saw the disclaimer the first thing I did was go to the FTC website and start reading, as you did. I think you read it a bit more thoroughly...but if there was no loophole for imported material, why would they even bother with the "FTC disclaimer"? They would say "Made in USA", period, end of story.



Being privy to many of these kind of arguments, I stand by my original asessment that the cloth is imported, and that the "significant parts and processing" is the cutting, edge treatment, inspection, folding, and packaging. That's how I would argue it, anyway "hey, it just comes in as a roll of cloth! we inspect the rolls, they are precision cut to size, the egdes are sewed with US thread, every towel is inspected, carefully folded, placed into a bag, sealed, and a label applied".



Yes, I'm making a presumption that there is something done to the edges, if not a border, to keep them from just unraveling, but maybe not...at least it sounded good for the FTC argument.



The other possibility is the raw materials are actually made here, and shipped overseas for the processing and weaving (and perhaps the cutting), and then sent back for inspection and packaging, which would be another way to have them "Made in the USA".



And for those of you who are going to say "why don't you just call Sal and ask him?"...I'll leave it to you to call him and report back to us.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
When I saw the disclaimer the first thing I did was go to the FTC website and start reading, as you did. I think you read it a bit more thoroughly...but if there was no loophole for imported material, why would they even bother with the "FTC disclaimer"? They would say "Made in USA", period, end of story.



Being privy to many of these kind of arguments, I stand by my original asessment that the cloth is imported, and that the "significant parts and processing" is the cutting, edge treatment, inspection, folding, and packaging. That's how I would argue it, anyway "hey, it just comes in as a roll of cloth! we inspect the rolls, they are precision cut to size, the egdes are sewed with US thread, every towel is inspected, carefully folded, placed into a bag, sealed, and a label applied".



Yes, I'm making a presumption that there is something done to the edges, if not a border, to keep them from just unraveling, but maybe not...at least it sounded good for the FTC argument.



The other possibility is the raw materials are actually made here, and shipped overseas for the processing and weaving (and perhaps the cutting), and then sent back for inspection and packaging, which would be another way to have them "Made in the USA".



And for those of you who are going to say "why don't you just call Sal and ask him?"...I'll leave it to you to call him and report back to us.
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You won't call Sal and ask him about the towels but yet you post a lengthy monologue on the internet postulating unfounded assumptions:nixweiss
 
wannafbody said:
You won't call Sal and ask him about the towels but yet you post a lengthy monologue on the internet postulating unfounded assumptions:nixweiss
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That's a pretty silly comment...what would be the point of internet forums if everyone just called the manufacturer? Let us know his explanation.



BTW, if you take everything a salesman tells you at face value...well, you've never been a salesman.



And they may be assumptions, but IMO they aren't unfounded. Clearly, there is some non-domestic content to the towels, or it wouldn't be necessary to cite the FTC regulation.
 
Imagine all the earthquakes Sal's going to create when he releases his new line of sealants? I’ll pray he doesn't market it as having an emulsion of Italian oil with an Artesian water.
 
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