Zaino , Big Thumbs Down !

If you want depth on black paint, there really isn't any sealant you will probably be happy with. Stick with carnaubas and just use them more often.
 
I switched from Zaino to Blackfire and I have to say - it looks as good if not better and is no way as finicky to use.
 
There's no need for Z-6 between coats. I thought that was over kill. IMO, 1 coat of Zaino looks as good as 5 coats.



I basically use

Z-AIO

2 x Z-5p with ZFX.
 
One use or experience with an product is just not enough to form a honest opinion.

I've found that it can take several details with any product before I can get the results I'm looking for.

All product have a learning curve.
 
I love Zaino. I think I may actually need Zaino User Anonymous or something. Once you figure out what went wrong you will love it. I have never owned a black vehicle though.
 
dan46n2 said:
Zaino is one of the worst looking sealants IMO.
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How if its optically clear?



but I agree with RickRack, if you have flawless paint its awesome (for sealants) but if you have swirls and scratchs :nervous2:
 
black03mach said:
How if its optically clear?



but I agree with RickRack, if you have flawless paint its awesome (for sealants) but if you have swirls and scratchs :nervous2:
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Optically clear is a marketing gimmick, the test is to look at it on a car. The best looking waxes are carnaubas and they are far from optically clear. Zaino makes the paint look like cheap plastic.
 
dan46n2 said:
Optically clear is a marketing gimmick, the test is to look at it on a car. The best looking waxes are carnaubas and they are far from optically clear. Zaino makes the paint look like cheap plastic.
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lol it was a joke.
 
dan46n2 said:
Zaino is one of the worst looking sealants IMO.
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That's a pretty strong statement. Sure, Zaino might be a bit too reflective on black for some peoples taste but Zaino does one thing I can't think of any other product doing and that is at dusk Zaino gets a very cool looking glow.



As for optically clear, I'd assume that the polymers Zaino uses are clear like clearcoat and not opaque like a wax.
 
dan46n2 said:
Zaino is one of the worst looking sealants IMO.
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No big fan of the zealots but Zaino is a pretty good looking sealant. Maybe a touch too reflective for some, but a lot of people like that look. Z5 is up there with Wolfgang and NXT on jet black paint and it lasts longer. Is it going to match a good carnauba as far as depth on black paint? No, but no sealant that I've tried does.
 
johnp66 said:
I fell into the trap and finally broke down and bought some zaino,

I bought the zaino all in one-z5-zfx ,now don't get me wrong it was OK but THAT'S IT my motorcycle is black and i'm always looking for something to give it more depth and a lot of you will probably laugh at this but after 9 coats of z5 w/zfx over a period of 5 days i really thought it just looked OK so i washed my bike w/dawn took off all the zaino and put 3 coats of liquid glass over a 24 hr period looks MUCH BETTER !





this is how i applied zaino , did i do somthing wrong

1st i applied the all in one and let it sit for 90 min.



2nd i removed the all in one and applied the z-5 w/a few drops of the zfx

after letting it sit for 75 min i removed it and repeated step 2 seven more times

over the next 5 days putting no more than 3 coats in a 24 hr period and disposing of any z5 that was more than a few hrs. old .

WHAT DID I DO WRONG ! :think:
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I don't think you did anything wrong, but it sounds like the paint on your bike needs to be polished to restore the true beauty of the paint. I do a lot of black bikes and no matter how old/new they are, they always seem to take more abuse because the way bikes are handled.



Zaino is an amazing sealant when put on perfectly polished paint, but when put on paint that is in need of polishing, Zaino will amplify the true look of the paint. So if the true look of the paint is dull, hazy, swirled, etc., Zaino will amp the defects. Black paint shows defects easily the most and that's why it is most noticable compared to other colors.



Now, ZAIO is a good one step polish for some paints that are already in great condition, but for most black paints it sometimes will not cut it at all. I know that almost every black bike that I do no matter how new it is, I always have to do some serious 3 step polishing at minimum. Then I will wipe it down with alcohol to inspect the paint before I seal it to make sure it is 100% perfect.



I am not a zealot, but I have a lot of experience with Zaino along with other products and have a ton of fanatical Zaino clients and a bunch of them had issues in the beginning until I polished their cars the right way or gave them proper advice on how to do so.



Liquid glass looked better because it is a consumer product and as most consumer products, they are designed for the person with no experience and no machines. They are made with fillers and cheap silicones to fill and shine the paint with ease. They will not last long and will need to be applied often. The only downfall is when it gets old, the silicon layers will build up on the paint making it worst giving it a chaulky hazy look.





You had great intensions of making your bike look it's best, but it sounds like you need some real polishing done before the Zaino.



Do you have any pics of the bike?
 
dan46n2 said:
Maybe so but I attribute that to the reaction I get of vomiting in my mouth a little each time I see a Zainoed car.
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Its optically clear, so how do you know Zaino is on the car if you can't see it?:think:
 
dan46n2 said:
Optically clear is a marketing gimmick, the test is to look at it on a car. The best looking waxes are carnaubas and they are far from optically clear.
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The reason most waxes are not clear is because they are colloidal emulsions. E.g the droplet/particle size of the dispersed phase is larger than a light wavelengths, leading to light scattering which gives them a milky/creamy appearance.



That wouldn't necessarily mean that a thin film of the material would be opaque.



Zaino makes the paint look like cheap plastic.
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Heresy! :rolleyes
 
dan46n2 said:
Maybe so but I attribute that to the reaction I get of vomiting in my mouth a little each time I see a Zainoed car.
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so you can tell a Zainoed car just by looking at it? Hmm...



:think:
 
Horrible looking stuff that Zaino, here it is on black, utterly disgusting, I'm gonna puke. You all know that sealants or waxes have like 10% or less to do with how a car "looks" yeah? I like Zaino because of how it leaves the surface and the durability, period. It also looks as good as anything I have in my arsenal on a well prepped surface. I'm not married to it, but I don't see how anybody could not like it. I would say the same about many products, but Zaino seams to be an easy target for some reason.:nixweiss



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link to Zaino detail
 
johnp66 said:
When i called zaino they told me the more layers the better it will look, and he also said that they recomend a 100% cotton towel i used mirofiber and he said that's a no no. but i can't see why, but i'm not a professonial.
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I thought it wouldn't make a difference either using MF. But what I found in

my experience was it was much easier to take off with a big cotton towel.

I had the whole care wiped off in 10 minutes or less. So I think they have something on that note. Also you must go thin, thin, thin on the coats. If you clearly see the haze on your car, you used too much.
 
rydawg said:
Liquid glass looked better because it is a consumer product and as most consumer products, they are designed for the person with no experience and no machines. They are made with fillers and cheap silicones to fill and shine the paint with ease. They will not last long and will need to be applied often. The only downfall is when it gets old, the silicon layers will build up on the paint making it worst giving it a chaulky hazy look.
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Great observation Ryan!
 
rydawg said:
I don't think you did anything wrong, but it sounds like the paint on your bike needs to be polished to restore the true beauty of the paint. I do a lot of black bikes and no matter how old/new they are, they always seem to take more abuse because the way bikes are handled.



Zaino is an amazing sealant when put on perfectly polished paint, but when put on paint that is in need of polishing, Zaino will amplify the true look of the paint. So if the true look of the paint is dull, hazy, swirled, etc., Zaino will amp the defects. Black paint shows defects easily the most and that's why it is most noticable compared to other colors.



Now, ZAIO is a good one step polish for some paints that are already in great condition, but for most black paints it sometimes will not cut it at all. I know that almost every black bike that I do no matter how new it is, I always have to do some serious 3 step polishing at minimum. Then I will wipe it down with alcohol to inspect the paint before I seal it to make sure it is 100% perfect.



I am not a zealot, but I have a lot of experience with Zaino along with other products and have a ton of fanatical Zaino clients and a bunch of them had issues in the beginning until I polished their cars the right way or gave them proper advice on how to do so.



Liquid glass looked better because it is a consumer product and as most consumer products, they are designed for the person with no experience and no machines. They are made with fillers and cheap silicones to fill and shine the paint with ease. They will not last long and will need to be applied often. The only downfall is when it gets old, the silicon layers will build up on the paint making it worst giving it a chaulky hazy look.





You had great intensions of making your bike look it's best, but it sounds like you need some real polishing done before the Zaino.



Do you have any pics of the bike?
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the paint is only a year old and my wife just had our 2nd baby so it really hasn't

been ridden that much it sits in a heated garage w/a cover on it for the past year.
 

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