Zaino , Big Thumbs Down !
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David Fermani said:
I think what he is referring to is that when someone asks what Zaino products they need, several people will pretty much list every Zaino product there is. Personally, I think the "needs" are ZAIO, Z2 or Z5 and Z10 if you have leather. All the rest are not really "needs" but "wants". Throw in that those people then list eleventy billion steps involving all the Zaino products and you have what looks to the average person to be a very complicated, long and expensive process.
Once the paint is polished, ZAIO + Z2 or Z5 is a pretty quick, easy and relatively inexpensive process that will leave a pretty durable finish. Once you get that down, then adding another Zaino product or two into the mix is pretty easy without an overwhelming first Zaino detail.
CocheseUGA
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Scottwax said:
Exactly what I was trying to say, only said better. I don't knock the results I've seen.
imported_rydawg1
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RaskyR1 said:LOL. Any well polished car is going to look great no matter what you wax it with....especially in pictures.
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Nice pics. I love the sunburst shots. Was this with a prime lens?
scary bill
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Prep is way more important than any wax or sealant. TW Ice looks fine a polished car(not as good as a nuba).
To the OP, maybe sealants aren't your thing. Try some megs #26 wax, its usually fair priced ($12-13) and available locally otc. It darkens paint and adds glow like stuff that is way more $$$. It will last 2-3 months on my truck.
BTW, I do like sealants also, mainly for light metallics.
To the OP, maybe sealants aren't your thing. Try some megs #26 wax, its usually fair priced ($12-13) and available locally otc. It darkens paint and adds glow like stuff that is way more $$$. It will last 2-3 months on my truck.
BTW, I do like sealants also, mainly for light metallics.
Scottwax said:
Yes and no. Its definately over complicated when you do a million steps and coats. Most people don't have the time spend doing all that unless they a have a garage queen and can take a few days or weeks .
I have always felt that I should use the same product line to synergistically get the best results and truly test the durability. For example DG to me is better when I wash with 901 put a coat of 601 before 105, also I think OS is better over PS& the new OFP then anything else. Recenty I bought CMW and just got RMG with VMG & QS on its way . Last week I washed with ONR used a precleaner, EZ cr then CMW although On my car it muted the metallic it was wetter than hell. ( please don't send 2001 pictures my statement is for my car ) my car only comes out a couple time aweek and is virtually defect free. When i bring my car to work which was the case yesterday I had 20 people tell me car looks real wet but you can't see the metallic as good. My point is this morning after ONR the a pre cleaner I use RMG by PC the used cmw by PC and I am waiting for the sun to come up and take a look. I fully believe that the looks will be much improved with rmg under it. Which is also why I got QS.
For Zaino I believe the must haves are Z7, ZPC or ZAIO ,Z5,zfx and Z8, Z10 if you have leather. IMO zfx makes a difference . So you wash, polish then a coat or 2 of Z5 then Z8.
Whats complicated to me is 4 different polishes that have to be buffed for 74 hours with a ton of different pads then having to do the rest of the car.
Don't get me wrong the work here and on other sites is awesome. These before and afters are incredible.
So even a wash, ZPC ,Zaio, Z5 or Z2 ( 2 coats) then Z8 is not so bad.
By the way for me Z8 is so increible that I add 2 capfuls to ONR ( of course when I an using Z) It actually works quite well as a NR, well an expensive one.
I prefer to use the same product line when possible.
mikenap
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Wow, I understand the reasoning behind the Secret Decoder Ring, but that last post was almost impossible to read. I had to flip back and forth to the FAQ decoder page 87 times in an attempt to understand it. And a lot of those acronyms aren't even there. :sosad
It's time for an uprising. Newbs unite!
It's time for an uprising. Newbs unite!
Glossmaster
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I haven't posted here in months........It's amazing to see that Zaino is still a lightening rod around here. lol. The reactions to Zaino subjects remain the same. Zaino's great......Zaino bites......Use these products instead of Zaino....... I don't like the plastic look.......ZFX is a PITA.......Gotta use ZFX......Too many steps.....Terry vs microfiber.....Sealant look this-Sealant look that.......I hate Zaino Zealots.....lol. It's good to see things haven't changed. So my question is this.....Has anyone, and I mean ANYONE ever seen a vehicle picture posted here on Autopia that looks anything unlike what Zaino claims their product does?? Has anyone seen a pic of a zaino'd vehicle that looks less than glossy? I know, Iknow....It's all "subjective", right? But seriously folks....... The pics speak for themselves. And for the record.....I'm no Zealot, even though the Zaino line is in my arsenal. In fact I've got a few layers of 1000P on my car that's being maintained after ONR washes with a hybrid mixture of AW-425-Z6. lol.
If someone just wanted to try one zaino product, then I would get Z8. Z8 will enhance any cured sealant or wax. Of course it also looks great over the zaino lineup. I use Z8 after every wash of my vehicles, but I only have enough time to wash them every 3-4 weeks.
ZAIO- I went 3 months with ZAIO on my old beater which was parked at the airport 40-50 hours a week. The beading had fallen off on the horz panels at 3 months, but had some slickness still, more so on the vertical panels of course. The only wax that has lasted as long as ZAIO was collinite IME.
ZAIO- I went 3 months with ZAIO on my old beater which was parked at the airport 40-50 hours a week. The beading had fallen off on the horz panels at 3 months, but had some slickness still, more so on the vertical panels of course. The only wax that has lasted as long as ZAIO was collinite IME.
Deanski
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Here's what it looks like on my black Porsche.
Special "tire shine" about to be applied on last shot!:lol
These were from Poorboy's Detailing Weekend
Deanski
Special "tire shine" about to be applied on last shot!:lol
These were from Poorboy's Detailing Weekend
Deanski
RaskyR1
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rydawg said:
lol...not even sure what a prime lens is!
I bought a Canon XSi and I think I shot in auto mode with the stock lens.
tibbsonaphone
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I've read through this whole thread and haven't seen any mention of Zaino Clear seal. It seems like people are sticking with AIO. I have endless product curiosity and have Zaino on my list to try. I had good luck with Optimum's Opti-Seal, and was wondering what people think of Z CS. Regarding the original post and some of the others. It seems that Zaino can work for professionals and amateurs. I think its made for enthusiasts, you'd have to love detailing to commit the time and expense needed for Zaino products. They are sold as SHOW CAR polishes. The photos on their website are of lovingly cared for cars, many of which are collectible. If you've given a product a couple chances and you don't like the look. Move on to another product. Instead of condemning a product from a bad experience, learn from your experience, and offer your knowledge to others. People can and will make their own decisions regardless. The internet has made it very easy to crap away money.
Deanski
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I use Z-CS when I do not want to mix Z2/ZFX. It's quick and easy. Once cured, I top with Z8 and I'm done with little effort.
Deanski
Deanski
Deanski
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Oh yea, before someone claims the last shot of my Porsche looks plastic, you'd be correct as this is the paint film which was applied back in 2006. Still holding up, but it does have some wear.
Deanski
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tibbsonaphone said:
Z-CS offers similar protection to Opti-Seal but doesn't look nearly as wet and that is based on side by side comparisons. I've heard that Z-CS has been tweaked for more wetness but I've also seen more complaints about streaking than when it first came out.
I'd be more inclined to suggest ZAIO and Z2 or Z5 to the first time Zaino user. I think those three give you the most bang for the buck.
scary bill
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Prep!
If the car looks great without anything on it, then it will look good with anything on it(except TW ICE).
If it is a neglected finish then a heavy filler will help more than hurt, that is when Ice may actually help. In Autopia land we usually see results that are the product of OCD. In that case ANY good lsp will make allow a car to look great.
If the car looks great without anything on it, then it will look good with anything on it(except TW ICE).
If it is a neglected finish then a heavy filler will help more than hurt, that is when Ice may actually help. In Autopia land we usually see results that are the product of OCD. In that case ANY good lsp will make allow a car to look great.