Which choice for best durability and shine on white

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Out of these products which ones do you feel give the best protection AND produce a nice shine on WHITE paint? Each one can be singled out by protection alone, and shine but which one do you feel gives both?



#16

#26

S100

EX-P

CMW

Zaino

Natty's
 
MY OPINION...Zaino...I have used Zaino, S100, NXT on light colors with great restults...but out of the choices you have listed i think Zaino will offer the best durability...again this is my opinon.
 
I'd also look into PUPP and Collinite. PUPP is still beading incredbily strong 3-4 months later, and the slickness is still there. I'm going to be trying #845 (insulator wax) from Collinite here shortly.
 
Shine is very high with Zaino...some people prefer the look of carnuaba because of the warmth look is has versus the shine and reflectivity factor. I like the look of zaino, there are some people that say zaino makes the car look kind of plastic like....i think it looks great. Of course everyone will have a different opinon but there arent a lot that argue that Zaino has poor durability. Like i said earlier from my expierence, the shine that Zaino has is top notch.
 
My head is spinning recently about reading about the subjective nature of durability and shine.



How are you determing durabilty? Now I'm not so sure beading alone is a fool proof way of determining it.



Shine may also look drastically different to one set of eyes than another.
 
Bill D said:
My head is spinning recently about reading about the subjective nature of durability and shine.



How are you determing durabilty? Now I'm not so sure beading alone is a fool proof way of determining it.



Shine may also look drastically different to one set of eyes than another.
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Agreed that shine looks different to others....Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That's why i state that my post is MY OPINION.



Durabilty - for that I look at a lot of factors....Beading, ability to hold its appearance over a period of time, Slickness <-- (although not a very important factor), ease cleaning when washing (ex.. bugs wash off easily and other contaminents dont stick to the finish) I guess these are the most common ways everyone here uses to determine durability of a products. Its a very subjective gray area. I mean unless an invention is invented to tell us exactly what protection is on the car other than the clearcoat, we will have to use these factors as a rule of thumb.



The above statement, is of my opinion...these are things that *I* look for. Im of course, as always, open to comments and suggestions.
 
Yeah, very impractical, spohisticated machinery would be neeeded, glossometer for shine, perhaps several instruments for durability.
 
haha the time and money it would take to buy or invent those types of machines you could have just added another coat of LSP and called it a day! I guess i can say this for everyone, the best "machine or meters" is one's eyes and opinion! :) Plus its free =)
 
Of the products listed I have used, in no particular order, I like #16, CMW and EX-P on white. CMW will slightly darken white paint in comparison to the other two.
 
I guess what makes these choice of products a little tricky to decide as far as both shine and durability goes is the color white. When someone approaches you to detail their car and they say I want good protection for the winter and I want shine as well, you start thinking, Ok what can I use. I haven't done that many white vehicles to find a combo that best suits that situation. I understand each product can be argued as to how it looks and its durability range, but I'm curious as to what most of you all have found works best on white. I think white is the hardest color to satisfy.
 
Well you have to ask your self how often you will wax/seal your car? This may help your decision as far as durabilty is concerned. Shine on white is just too subjective as to what product will give the best results. The reason i vote for Zaino is your situation, is that I have used Z2 on white with spectactular results. And again, the longevity of zaino's durability has been proven itself over and over with many. Z2 would be great if you only want to wax/seal once every few months or even longer.



I have also used NXT on a white maxima with outstanding results. A few people that i have used NXT for are still beading well after 3 months. So durability is also good. (some people's results with NXT have varied.) Currently Im using NXT as a winter wax right now...reason being is that it is VERY easy to work with and doesnt require the patience of a looong cure time that Zaino will need with the lower temps of winter. I literally use NXT on my car about once every 2-3 weeks because its so easy with great results.



Actually for my car's blue, i think the INITIAL results with NXT are better than Z5 and Z2 but it seems NXT's look fades away more quickly than Zaino. (That's one reason why i use NXT every 2-3 weeks is too keep the "look" it gives.)



Do i think Zaino will give you a better shine and durability for WHITE than NXT?? Yes



Hope this helps, and just remember this is my opinion.



Cliff notes: Use Zaino Z2, if not, then I suggest NXT as an alternative.
 
01bluecls said:
I have also used NXT on a white maxima with outstanding results. A few people that i have used NXT for are still beading well after 3 months. So durability is also good.
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Ok, here, beading determines durability.
 
Bill D said:
Ok, here, beading determines durability.
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Im just curious are you saying that beading doesnt determine any durability of a wax or sealant? I cant tell if you are being somewhat sarcastic :nixweiss I know my few previous posts that beading is not the Absolute way to determine protection but isnt it a pretty good indicator?? Im all confused right now!



MY thoughts on beading summed up to a paragraph: When looking at clean car and water pools or "soaks" into the paint, it means to me that there isnt any surface tension from wax or sealant left over to "bead/repel" water. IMO this means that since water beads/sheets after fresh application of wax or sealant, this leads me to believe that the beading tension that the wax provides is there....when there isnt any beading/sheeting of water than the tension that wax provided is no longer there, meaning the wax is completely gone or is "worn" down significantly. Maybe im missing something. Just curious as to what your thoughts of determing durability of wax/sealants are?
 
I do realize that films and residues may hinder beading if there is any on the paint. That's why in my previous post i mentioned a "clean" car (theoretically assuming that there isnt film or residue to block the surface water tension from the wax or sealant.)
 
Beading is caused by surface tension. That comes from absolutely fresh paint or the presence of protection. When that factor goes away, beading ceases. The only exception I know of is Klasse AIO.



If someone can PROVE that your protection is still there after beading is gone, I'd like to see it.
 
01bluecls said:
Im just curious are you saying that beading doesnt determine any durability of a wax or sealant? I cant tell if you are being somewhat sarcastic :nixweiss I know my few previous posts that beading is not the Absolute way to determine protection but isnt it a pretty good indicator?? Im all confused right now!
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Oh no, not trying be sarcastic at all. I'm glad you asked.



For simplicty's sake, I always thought beading was too but I posed the question because when folks speak of durablity it's not always clear to me what ( one thing, many things, all the same things) define durabilty for them. In other words, I don't really see a "universally agreed upon" indication of it. That's all I meant. I've been all confused about this topic recently too!
 
OK, so maybe we can all agree that beading is the MOST SIMPLE way to determine durability of protection left. (No one is saying its the ONLY way) but it is a very good way to do so. I believe most people on this forum is generally thinking the same.



Bill D, thanks for clearing your posts up for me...the problem with online talking is I sometimes cant tell "how" people are saying things and whether they are being sarcastic or not. :)
 
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