Which choice for best durability and shine on white

~One manâ€â„¢s opinion / observations~



Your original question: White vehicle- Klasse AIO x2, SG x 3, Pinnacle Paste Glaz



Durability:

[: Able to exist for a long time without significant deterioration] if your goal is maximum protection, don't use water beading as an indicator; while its true that it is a visual indicator that a wax / sealant previously applied is still present it does not guarantee that its actually providing protection.



a) Water beading- although you cannot equate a products beading ability to protection and durability, if an applied product continues to `bead' water, one wash after another, then that would prove that whatever it is that is causing high surface tension is not washing off.



Water bead definition-beads that have a symmetrical shape, are small, tight beads that protrude from the surface and â€Ëœrun-offâ€â„¢ from the surface quickly.



Indications that the products durability may be finished-when the water beads become noticeably larger in diameter with a flat shape, irregular in size and tend to â€Ëœrun-offâ€â„¢ the surface more slowly. Or when dust, dirt or bug residue becomes more difficult to wipe off with a quick detailing spray are indications that its time to renew the protection



~Hope this helps~



Knowledge unshared is experience wasted [each one / teach one]

justadumbarchitect / so I question everything/ JonM
 
Take for an example a person brings you their car that is five years old and the current condition when that person brings it to you is actually pretty clean. When you go to wash the vehichle and see the water somewhat "soaks" into the paint, I guess most would safely assume there is no protection from any wax/sealant. (assuming there isnt any residue or film over the wax/sealant preventing this.) Now over time, after a wax or sealant is applied to that same car, the water will sheet/bead without "soaking" into the paint. After initial application the consistency in beading/sheeting is great....over time of course the protection is gradually decreased as the size of beads and inconsistency would indicate. When after 2 months after the wax/sealant is applied, "beading/sheeting" properties will be there even though it may not be with the consistency as the first week or so. This doesnt mean that there isnt any protection left, it simply means that the protection is "dying" down. Wait a few more months and if the beading/ sheeting is non-exsistent (i.e water pools and "soaks" into the finish) then one can assume that the protection is pretty much DEAD.



Yes beading with tall tiny round beads is great, but if they arent that "perfect" it doesnt mean there isnt any protection left what-so ever. So when I or other people say that a product is still beading after 3 months, we arent saying that the beads after 3 months are exactly the same as the as after initial application. Yes after the 3 months that particular product in question maybe not bead perfectly as we would want, but if the water isnt soaking into the finish then there is obviously something there left from the product, even if it may just be a small amount. This thread about durability wasnt to question which products and methods would provide the best "shape of beads" or anything like that, it was simply to ask after certain period of time, which product would still offer an acceptable level of protection. When saying beading, we arent necessarily referring to the scientific term, we are generally applying a word that would best describe "water not soaking into the finsh"

Now determing what an acceptable level of protection is, is quite a large gray area, for us autopians, if the water doesnt sheet and bead perfectly its almost unacceptable to "our" standards. When detailing a car for someone else, I often tell the person to monitor the water tension of the surface on their car. This means that when the water starts to somewhat half'way soak and someparts still bead...it would be a "good idea" to re-apply protection. WHen that person notices the majortiy of the paint is "soaking up water" instead of any beading or sheeting then they Definately needs to re-apply protection.



Another just weird example i thought of is pretend is the dead of winter and you have 5 layers of clothing on outside. (Think of the 5 layers of clothing as a freshly applied wax. Then each week with the temps still cold you take one layer of clothing off, then the second week you take another layer of clothing off. By the 4th week you have one layer of clothing on still. --- Now are you without any protection from the elements, no. Is the one layer of protection left as good as the previous added layers, no. Are you still gonna be warmer with just one layer of clothing rather than none, yes. The reason i bring this example up, is that it seems most of us are saying that if the beads arent small tiny and tall (perfect) then there is any protection left at all.



Keep in mind my post is just all theoretical, my opinion and an example situation I made up. I may not make a bit of sense since im rushing to leave for work....I hope this helps somewhat set some things straight in regards of what people mean when they say that the car still beads, or if they are questioning protection durability of a product.
 
HOLY CRAP I didnt realize my previous psot was that loooong! Sorry guys, keep in mind that im not flaming anyone is any form shape or way. Im expressing my opinons with what I believe to be true....If Anyone cares to differ with me, then that's absolutely fine :)
 
I think we may want to include Natty's based on the Mustang we saw in white in Click & Brag...



I think S100 looks good also...
 
VM, topped with EX-P, topped with Natty's looks extremely nice on white................... good durability too. Still, it's hard to beat Zaino for durability, and Z2 does look great on white!
 
My latest combo: AIO, UPPx2, #16x2...



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My previous combo: GEPC, EX-Px2, Paste Glaz...



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You make the call. They both look incredible to me. :xyxthumbs



Believe it or not, they both look EVEN BETTER in person!



Oh, and the UPP makes the car extremely slick, and the slickness lasts for a long time. When I have rain beading on the hood, it only takes about 35mph to get the beads to roll off the hood toward the windshield.



#16 is supposed to be very durable, so I think I'm pretty well set for winter. Good thing too, because we aren't supposed to see temps above 40F for the next week. I won't count on seeing 40 more than a few times in the next 3 months or more. :(
 
I actually got a white car recently and did some experimenting. I really love the way UPP looks on white. I have decided to get just a tad bit crazy come spring and try this combo I concocted:



AIO - base

UPP X2

EXP X 2

Nattys to top and reapplying monthly



I think all of these have complementing characteristics and I think I will get an incredibly slick, clear, reflective, wet look. Which is what I want. Dont bother trying to achieve depth on white...its almost impossible. Just go for wetness, reflectivity as the big two to make white look good IMO.
 
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