We don't talk about Klasse SG

Accumulator said:


Curious about the Griot's sealant...how many layers did you apply? Can you still feel it on the paint (that "just sealed" feel)?







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I only applied one layer, and water still beads like crazy except on the hatch. I can't keep that area clean no matter what. The G.G. Spray On Wax works well, but I doubt I'll wait a full year until I do another clay, polish seal/wax job.
 
For me, on a black vehicle, multiple coats of SG left a candy coated look, but did not really sparkle like newer sealants do. I can't really explain the look, but it just seems like SG was invented for cars before they came with clear-coats.
 
The Wraith- OK, roger that. Good to hear from somebody who's actually used their sealant. Yeah, some of those trailing-surface panels just don't stay LSPed for very long, a few of my vehicles are exactly the same way.



waxman- I wonder if the "heavy coating" aspect of KSG has something to do with that :think: It seems to leave behind a much thicker build-film than my other sealants.
 
Accumulator said:
waxman- I wonder if the "heavy coating" aspect of KSG has something to do with that :think: It seems to leave behind a much thicker build-film than my other sealants.
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Yep. If you put multiple layers it seems to leave a "clearcoat", just not the look I want. So no doubt it provides excellent durability, as it sticks to your paint like glue if you use even a little too much. Never tried it with Polycharger though.
 
I live in Houston and am concerned about how products perform in the heat & humidity. Are KAIO and KSG ok in the heat or should I move toward Poorboys EX-P?
 
KAIO and SG will probably outperform Poorboys in the heat. But as was said above, there are probably better choices based on looks. Products have subtel differences and sometimes it isn't until you compare them side by side that you realize that one is truly superior to another.
 
I'm really most concerned with convenience and durability. Can the Klasse twins, but especially KSG, be used on plastic/trim/headlights/glass? If not, is there an easy to use sealant that can basically be used on the entire car?
 
someidiot said:
I'm really most concerned with convenience and durability. Can the Klasse twins, but especially KSG, be used on plastic/trim/headlights/glass? If not, is there an easy to use sealant that can basically be used on the entire car?
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I use the Klasse twins on every exterior surface (except the glass and, well duh, the tires) of my Mazda minivan, just as I did on my Subie WRX before that. Yeah, even the black plastic trim and the exterior rubber parts like the "step guard" on the rear bumper.



The primarly reasons I don't use it on the glass are a) I don't like that effect on my windshield and b) I clean my glass with alcohol-based glass cleaner so often that I'd just be cleaning it off after the first drive or two. It's not like it's any worse on glass than any other LSP.



I do use the W-O-W-O approach on rubber and textured plastic surfaces as it seems easier to achieve a streak-free look.



Another LSP that works on all surfaces is Collinite 845, and I often apply that over a base of KAIO.
 
Thanks a lot for the info. My wife's about to get a new car and I want to avoid the UV damage her old car had when we got rid of it. I'm not sure about KAIO, but I think I'll order some KSG and apply it to all exterior surfaces.
 
someidiot said:
..I'm not sure about KAIO, but I think I'll order some KSG and apply it to all exterior surfaces.
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I'd *STRONGLY* recommend that you use the KAIO before the KSG. It really is best to use 'em as a pair and I'm utterly certain that you'll be happy with how the KAIO cleans/preps the surface for the KSG. Really. Heh heh, how's that for a hard-sell?!?
 
Both products can be used on all surfaces? Autogeek.net had some weird discrepancy where they said KSG was good for all surfaces, then later said "NEVER use KSG on non-painted surfaces!" I really would prefer not to ruin the plastic and metal trim pieces on a brand new TSX within a week of buying it. I'm really debating between KAIO/KSG and BFWD.
 
someidiot said:
Both products can be used on all surfaces? Autogeek.net had some weird discrepancy where they said KSG was good for all surfaces, then later said "NEVER use KSG on non-painted surfaces!" I really would prefer not to ruin the plastic and metal trim pieces on a brand new TSX within a week of buying it. I'm really debating between KAIO/KSG and BFWD.
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Heh heh, and I would certainly prefer that my advice not ruin anybody's trim!



I've been using KSG on nonpainted surfaces for years. There have been a few rare cases (the matte black wiper arms of my MPV for some reason) where it didn't work well, but it sure never caused any actual problems.



Noting that different surfaces/vehicles/applications are, well, *different*, I've just never had a problem and this is over at least ten years on a whole lot of different materials and I've had the same vehicles long enough to have a truly long-term observation period.



I understand that you want to be careful, but I really do think that automotive materials in general are tougher than we give them credit for being. This reminds me of dire warnings against using waxes on rubber/plastic trim- "the petroleum distillates will degrade it!". But I've done it on my Jag since the late 1980s and said surfaces are still showroom-new. BTW, I've been using KSG on the Jag's chromed-plastic bits since 2000 and it's great on those.
 
Bert said:
Werkstat seems like a new and upgraded version of KSG in terms of appearance and maybe a little better durability. Do you notice that wfedwar?
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I prefer the looks in general, the application seems a little easier, and to me the variety of Primes available is nice. You can't go wrong with either. I'm not sure if one is more durable than the other.
 
wannafbody said:
With the big exception being tires. I've had tires crack in 2 years back when I used clear petroleum based tire products.
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Yeah, heh heh, I wasn't thinking about tires here...



I've had *very* few tires crack, but the last time it happened I was using the same Griot's ERV dressing that I'd used with stellar results on so many other tires :nixweiss Funny, but I simply *never* had it happen back in the day when I was using all those "bad" products that everybody :nono about.
 
I just put my first layer of KSG on today. I didn't really have trouble getting it off. I used LUSTRs how-to and found it easy to remove. I'm actually not sure that I put enough on :) I guess that's what the layering is for!
 
jabber said:
I just put my first layer of KSG on today. I didn't really have trouble getting it off. I used LUSTRs how-to and found it easy to remove. I'm actually not sure that I put enough on :) I guess that's what the layering is for!
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I really hope more people start using that method and badmouthing KSG. It's not the quickest removal process but it's nowhere near hard to remove. Oh and definitely put another layer or two on there and you'll be all set for a while.
 
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