We don't talk about Klasse SG

Interesting. I've found AIO to work well with dampness, but not the sealant. I get visible streaks if I use a damp towel to either apply or wipe. Dry works best for me.
 
LUSTR said:
I really hope more people start using that method and badmouthing KSG. It's not the quickest removal process but it's nowhere near hard to remove. Oh and definitely put another layer or two on there and you'll be all set for a while.
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In using this method I am using ONR for my QD. If I put the KSG on and then leave it for 15-20 minutes and remove it by spraying ONR on and wiping off, am I removing too much of the KSG? I have now put on 3 layers, and visually, I don't really see too much of a difference. How can I make sure I am actually adding anything to the paint?
 
jabber said:
In using this method I am using ONR for my QD. If I put the KSG on and then leave it for 15-20 minutes and remove it by spraying ONR on and wiping off, am I removing too much of the KSG?
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IMO probably not, but that's just a wild guess (my line of thinking: bonded KSG oughta stick, residue oughta clean off). But ONR *is* a cleaner....



I have now put on 3 layers, and visually, I don't really see too much of a difference.
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I see *subtle* diffs up to three-four layers, but they *are* subtle and might not be discernable on every paint by every observer.



How can I make sure I am actually adding anything to the paint?
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Heh heh, I can't resist answering with- "do it without using ONR" ;) I find that merely fogging the surface with my breath imparts enough moisture to make the wipe off basically effortless (and the longer I wait to buff it off, the easier it seems to be).
 
Heh heh, I can't resist answering with- "do it without using ONR" ;) I find that merely fogging the surface with my breath imparts enough moisture to make the wipe off basically effortless (and the longer I wait to buff it off, the easier it seems to be).
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So you don't use anything to buff it off? Just a dry MF and some hot air? How much pressure is required to buff it out?
 
Accumulator said:
IMO probably not, but that's just a wild guess (my line of thinking: bonded KSG oughta stick, residue oughta clean off). But ONR *is* a cleaner....



I see *subtle* diffs up to three-four layers, but they *are* subtle and might not be discernable on every paint by every observer.



Heh heh, I can't resist answering with- "do it without using ONR" ;) I find that merely fogging the surface with my breath imparts enough moisture to make the wipe off basically effortless (and the longer I wait to buff it off, the easier it seems to be).
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Exactly what I would've said. I use Meg's Final Inspection to wipe the residue off but have yet to try it with ONR. While ONR *is* a cleaner as Accum said, if used at the proper ratio for a QD I doubt it would take off anything more than a regular wash soap would (which it is in a way). I have noticed a difference between 2 and 4 coats of KSG before but honestly it's normally nearly impossible to tell and measure, so your best bet is to simply apply 2-3 coats and you're set. Oh and to test whether or not KSG is on the paint after removing the residue with ONR, completely strip wax/sealant off a panel, tape off half of it and apply KSG to one half, removing residue with ONR. Run a hose over the panel and look for a difference in beading, smoothness, etc.



Long story short, I highly doubt ONR as qd would remove KSG that's bonded to the paint, but I can't say I have proof.
 
jabber said:
So you don't use anything to buff it off? Just a dry MF and some hot air? How much pressure is required to buff it out?
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Right, nothing but my, heh heh..."hot air" :chuckle:



Virtually zero pressure is required and I can get it off fragile surfaces with zero marring or other problems. Maybe I'm putting it on thinner than you are; I *am* pretty fanatical about that. Also, I often let it sit overnight before I buff it off, though some say that makes it harder instead of easier for them (guess experiences vary, as the longer I wait the easier it is; I once waited three days and a stupid-thick application buffed off easily).



Actually, IMO the little bit of moisture from the breath condensation really does make a huge diff, and I use that technique with every LSP (and sometimes on glass too). Heh heh, I even do it when I spitshine my dress shoes!



As for "is it there?" you should be able to feel the KSG on the surface, like a plastic coating. I find it one of the most tactilely discernable LSPs out there.
 
Accumulator said:
I find that merely fogging the surface with my breath imparts enough moisture to make the wipe off basically effortless.
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After a whole car, doesn't that make you dizzy?
 
Alfisti said:
After a whole car, doesn't that make you dizzy?
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You mean after a whole *minivan*!!



But nah, nothing to it...I'm in pretty good shape ;)



For that matter, I did it when buffing off FK1000P, and that was nonstop on the Yukon XLD...
 
Accumulator said:
You mean after a whole *minivan*!!



But nah, nothing to it...I'm in pretty good shape ;)



For that matter, I did it when buffing off FK1000P, and that was nonstop on the Yukon XLD...
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Oh dear! There must be something wrong with me...I better get fit and get myself back into squash. :shocked
 
Accumulator said:
Right, nothing but my, heh heh..."hot air" :chuckle:



Virtually zero pressure is required and I can get it off fragile surfaces with zero marring or other problems. Maybe I'm putting it on thinner than you are; I *am* pretty fanatical about that. Also, I often let it sit overnight before I buff it off, though some say that makes it harder instead of easier for them (guess experiences vary, as the longer I wait the easier it is; I once waited three days and a stupid-thick application buffed off easily).



Actually, IMO the little bit of moisture from the breath condensation really does make a huge diff, and I use that technique with every LSP (and sometimes on glass too). Heh heh, I even do it when I spitshine my dress shoes!



As for "is it there?" you should be able to feel the KSG on the surface, like a plastic coating. I find it one of the most tactilely discernable LSPs out there.
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I tried it today using the "hot air" method and it made it painfully obvious that I am indeed putting it on too thick. Guess I need to work on that. Thanks for the help, by the way!
 
someidiot said:
Great, with the forum update this doesn't seem to work anymore. Does anyone know where I can find this information?



nevermind, found it: http://www.autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=120305
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I guess I should have watched the videos before I started. The first time I applied KSG I was really afraid to apply too much. When he covers the hood in the video, he used about twice as much as I used to cover the hood, front bumper, and front fenders. I definitely went a little heavier on it today.



It is a bit streaky and hard to remove, though. I need to do the QD wipe-off method, or go back to WOWO instead of letting it sit and wiping away with dry microfiber
 
I just realized I had really streaky spots on my trunk, so I sprayed on some Meguiar's QD and it came right off. Will the QD/wiping affect KSG's coverage or cure time?
 
someidiot said:
I just realized I had really streaky spots on my trunk, so I sprayed on some Meguiar's QD and it came right off. Will the QD/wiping affect KSG's coverage or cure time?
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I'm no expert, but I used the QD wipe off method for KSG (I had trouble buffing it off with just a dry MF) and it seems to cover well. I now have 6 layers of KSG on my vehicle and it looks good. I left the KSG on for 30-45 minutes before wiping it off with QD. Good luck!
 
Noting that I'm a bit fanatical about thin LSP applications....



I wouldn't do KSG thicker because somebody else did it that way. Especially if that results in having some issues, even if they are no big deal.



(Hope I'm not stepping on any toes here :o I'm not knocking Lustr at all, but I use so much less KSG than that...well, you can't imagine! ).



I don't *think* the QD will cause any issues, but I could make a decent, if purely theoretical, argument either way and I don't buff it off like that myself. I wouldn't use the Meg's QD for it though, but rather something known to be KSG-compatible (plenty of choices: FK425, FK146, BF's QD, Sonus' Acrylic stuff, etc.). I wouldn't try to layer on more KSG if using something like Meg's Ultimate QD.
 
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