Using M105 for the first time today

Denzil said:
I'm still waiting patiently for a call or email from them. It has almost been two weeks since they received the pads and almost 3 weeks being aware of the issue. :eek:
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When you tire of waiting (you have more patience than I do), don't forget that AG now has a sponsor forum on Autopia. If you post about the problem over there, it might light a fire under someone.



Just a thought,

Tort
 
Here's the trunk before M105. These pictures don't really show how hammered it really was.



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Here's the PFW afer multiple passes on the trunk.



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Here's the amount of polish I used. Actually, it's a bit more than I was using. I got a bit ham fisted with the dots on the left side of the pad. The dots on the right side are the right size. That's enough polish to easily do a 12x12 sized area.



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I'm gonna have to take back what I said earlier... More is *not* better. TH0001 hit it right on. Use less. I kept cutting down on the amount of polish I was using until there was hardly *any* residue left behind after two passes. If you watch Meguair's training video, you'll notice there's hardly any residue left to be wiped up. That's really what you should shoot for. It seems that it leaves the nicest finish when there's nothing left to wipe up.



Pre treating the panel with FK1 425 seemed to help quite a bit. Keeping the pad damp with QD is a must.



Here's the trunk after. The only things used on it were FK1 425 and M105. Unbelievable finish.

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There are still quite a few RIDS left in the trunk, but I wasn't shooting for 100% correction. They're just too deep. The above pictures were after three applications of M105. It didn't really need that many, I was just practicing. :)
 
It's a hologram. :o After I took those shots, I went back out and gave it a closer look. There were a few places that I missed after I got the hang of it. I still need to go back over a couple spots. I hate not working under my halogens, but if I turn on the lights, I have to turn off my new A/C. I can't run my buffer, lights, and A/C all at the same time.



The spot in the third shot is a hard water spot that's etched pretty deep.
 
Don't yell at me! I was just asking.



Good work! I don't know if you could really be "LSP Ready" with M105.





That purple foam looks trippy all twisted up. :xyxthumbs
 
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Some halograms might show up, remember you're using a 1200 grit compound so if you are only getting a few halograms that is outstanding. If you follow it up with Ultrafina, no worries.
 
Mindflux said:
Don't yell at me! I was just asking.



Good work! I don't know if you could really be "LSP Ready" with M105.

That purple foam looks trippy all twisted up. :xyxthumbs
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Oh, definitely not... I'm just darn excited that it finishes off well enough to go straight to final polishing without requiring a middle step to get rid of the compounding marks. Two step heavy correction!! That's just awesome. :D
 
Greg Nichols said:
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Some halograms might show up, remember you're using a 1200 grit compound so if you are only getting a few halograms that is outstanding. If you follow it up with Ultrafina, no worries.
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I'm gonna try finishing with Ultrafina and white finishing wool. I haven't had very much luck with UF and the finishing wool so far. I think it's because the pads were completely worn out. So I chucked em. I have two brand new finishing wool pads to try out.
 
I used it over the weekend for the first time myself, although it was with a PC. It definitely had a bit of a learning curve, but once I got used to it I got really good results. With an orange LC 5.5" pad and the PC set at 6, I got an incredible finish that left no hazing whatsoever. I was amazed that it could take out so many defects and oxidation and still leave such a fine finish.
 
TortoiseAWD said:
When you tire of waiting (you have more patience than I do), don't forget that AG now has a sponsor forum on Autopia. If you post about the problem over there, it might light a fire under someone.



Just a thought,

Tort
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Thank you for the advice Tort. I'm aware of them being a forum sponsor but I figured I'd give them a tad more time to rectify the situation before lighting that proverbial fire. :nixweiss
 
SuperBee364 said:
I'm gonna try finishing with Ultrafina and white finishing wool. I haven't had very much luck with UF and the finishing wool so far. I think it's because the pads were completely worn out. So I chucked em. I have two brand new finishing wool pads to try out.
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105 and LC Foamed Wool finishes nice enough to go to a finish polish and white Edge Wool but would going from 105 and LC Foamed Wool to jeweling with 106ff or Ultrafina on a black LC foam pad be a little too much of a stretch in your opinion?
 
bert31 said:
105 and LC Foamed Wool finishes nice enough to go to a finish polish and white Edge Wool but would going from 105 and LC Foamed Wool to jeweling with 106ff or Ultrafina on a black LC foam pad be a little too much of a stretch in your opinion?
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Hopefully will be able to answer that question soon. I'm going to do half the hood with UF and white wool, and the other half with PO85RD and black foam. Pics to follow!
 
SuperBee364 said:
Hopefully will be able to answer that question soon. I'm going to do half the hood with UF and white wool, and the other half with PO85RD and black foam. Pics to follow!
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That will be a very nice side by side finishing test.......:xyxthumbs



I have both and love 85RD but, am using UF more often lately. UF doesn't take as long and looks just as good......



btw....I use 3M black waffle pads for both 85RD and Ultrafina to finish with. One of these days I'll try white wool. You have spoken so highly of it before, I need to break down and finally get some......
 
KnuckleBuckett said:
Can anyone tell me how the M105 compares to Menz Powergloss?
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105 has much more cut than PG, similar difference to Menzerna final polish and SIP. Others can correct this comparison, but the difference is large.



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SuperBee364 said:
I'm gonna try finishing with Ultrafina and white finishing wool. I haven't had very much luck with UF and the finishing wool so far. I think it's because the pads were completely worn out. So I chucked em. I have two brand new finishing wool pads to try out.
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Use Ultrafina with the blue Ultrafina pad. Trust me on this. ;)
 
Scottwax said:
Use Ultrafina with the blue Ultrafina pad. Trust me on this. ;)
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Do you find the Ultrafina pads at the same place you find Ultrafina? That would make sense but several shops that sell Ultrafina in Louisville do not sell the Ultrafina Pad.:sadpace:
 
If the polish flash over too fast, you could spray some water in the paint or the wool and you could continue working the polish. I prefer spraying water instead of QD.
 
Scottwax said:
Use Ultrafina with the blue Ultrafina pad. Trust me on this. ;)
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Yeah, Scott, that blue ultrafina pad is a great pad... far better than any foam pad I've used, but I don't have a backing plate big enough to use it comfortably, and the eight inch size is huge. I'm gonna try and order some of the six inchers from England.



OK, so more results...



I kinda changed my plans a bit. I did half the hood with Ultrafina and a brand new white finishing wool pad. There were alot of compounding marks and holograms. Key word there is "were". ;) UF and the finishing wool destroyed them fast while leaving a mirror finish. I got alot less sling with the wool than I was getting with UF and foam. It still required using a sling bucket, though. The finish it left is beautiful.



I then finished the other half of the hood with PO85RD and the other side of the finishing wool pad. This took *much* more time than the UF. UF is a simple four-pass-and-your-done deal. With PO85RD you need to pack a lunch. It did do a good job of getting rid of the holograms and compounding marks, much to my surprise. It also left a finish almost identical to the UF; it does look a bit glossier, but not enough to be concerned about. It took quite a bit more than twice the amount of time to do this half of the hood than the UF side.



I then moved on to the roof with PO85RD and a black LC foam pad. This combo just didn't have the chops to get rid of the holos and compounding marks. I thought for sure that it would at least gloss up better than the finishing wool, but it didn't.



Moving onto the other half of the roof, I used UF and black LC foam. It did a much better job of taking out the compounding marks and holos. However, it did not finish as well as the finishing wool did. This was a big surprise. I thought that the foam would finish better than the wool, but not get out the marks as well. The sling is harder to control with the LC foam pad than the 3M Ultrafina pad.



On this particular car, the white finishing wool/UF combo flat out wins, no contest. Yeah, you could get a slightly better shine with the 85RD, but the additional time required just isn't worth it.



If I had the money, I would buy every Autopian an Edge 2k White Finishing wool pad. It's that good, and it's a deadly combination when used with a good finishing polish like UF, PO106FF, or PO85RD. You can buff with your eyes closed when using UF and white wool. It's that easy. And F A S T. The only other pad that really compares to it when used with UF is the blue pad that Scott mentioned. If we could just get it in six inch size here in the U.S...



I had been having mixed results with UF and the white wool, but I'm sure it's because my pads were on their last legs. It also feels like Edge has changed the quality of wool being used in the finishing pads. The ones I broke in today felt much softer and fluffier than my last pads.



A few weeks ago, I conceded that you can get a better finish with finishing foam and PO85RD than you could with finishing wool. That might be the case for some finishes, but today the wool triumphed over the foam by a long shot. UF and wool destroyed compounding swirls and holos in four quick passes, while leaving behind a beautiful gloss.



M105 followed by UF on either the 3m blue pad or white finishing wool makes a formidable combination when you need serious correction. I'll go snap some pics of the hood, but you're not going to be able to see a difference between the UF side and the 85RD side.
 
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