The New Z8 is Out!

Heck, I brought Pinnacle CM a few years back when $20 was really $20. :nixweiss



No success has not changed my outlook on conserving money. Ask my wife. :D



Like the website stated quite plainly because Zaino probably knew some would complain:



"Z8 is not for everyone....."





Actually, the negative comments are quite funny and somewhat extremely ironic. We discuss using toppers all the time, including some very expensive ones. Zaino developes one for his system to alleviate the protection compromisation by topping his product with a carnuaba and look at what happens because he is not giving it alway. :rolleyes:
 
It is going to take the same amount of time for Z to "dry" with or without ZFX. With ZFX you get a fast "cure" rate.

Dry & cure are not interchangable terms when it comes to Z.

It is mentioned on the web site that drying times are faster w/zfx but that is only because you dont have to wait for the Z1 to dry also.
 
Quote: Mothers FX spray wax is $6- is zaino worth 3x as much? wannafbody



Zanio and Mother is not a fair comparison, Zanio IMO is the benchmark for any other polymer to attain, ( and I doubt that Motherâ€â„¢s would claim to be even close) I would also suggest they appeal to a completely different demographic

JonM
 
"It's for those special occasions and extreme instances when you need extra performance...."



For when you turn the lights down in your garage and slow music is playing in the background...you can get intimate with your paint. LOL...ok, i've gone to far.



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SK2003TypeS said:
"It's for those special occasions and extreme instances when you need extra performance...."



For when you turn the lights down in your garage and slow music is playing in the background...you can get intimate with your paint. LOL...ok, i've gone to far.



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I'll admit it that I am passionate about the finishes on my vehicles. :o

I think everyone here at Autopia is, no matter what products we use to express that passion. :xyxthumbs
 
Some of the comments in this thread are amazing.



For those of you thinking Sal is making a fortune on this product, he isnâ€â„¢t. Z8 is a very complex formula, with 25 ingredients in it, and itâ€â„¢s EXPENSIVE to make. Sal debated for quite a while if he should even bring this product to market because of the costs involved. In the end, the product and results were too impressive to him to let if fall by the wayside.
 
I'm not debating that it isn't a quality product like some seem to insinuate-and this is a public board and i can comment on Zaino as much as I want (even though Sal complained about it) fact is Zaino is priced as a Mercedes type product-that's fine if you think its worth price-from what i've read elswhere i'm not so sure
 
TOGWT said:
Zanio and Mother is not a fair comparison, Zanio IMO is the benchmark for any other polymer to attain, ( and I doubt that Motherâ€â„¢s would claim to be even close) I would also suggest they appeal to a completely different demographic

JonM



Durability, I would say you are correct. Looks, try both at the same and make your own judgement. Application, it is the opposite, mothers synthetics are much easier and forgiving. The new reflections teaches a lot of boutique products a trick or 2 (my own mini-comparison of top coat against its closest match, poorboys EX -though old formula- showed a perceibable difference in finish that if I asked people about which one is "boutique", the majority would pick top coat....)



I have linked this one several times and I won't get tired. Those who say "z looks great, the competition no. Z is the only good one, the competition is cr@p" should better read the numbers. Review posted by Steve L, confirmed fan of Z by himself, author of the guru reports, which are considered by some -specially z users- as "the word"

In initial appearance, a "cr@p" product never scored lower than 8 in the beauty categories while Z got a 6 in depth and two 7...... Durability is another subject, but as counterpoint Steve's methods of measuring durability give strange results (P21S outlasting #16 for example)

Point taken, that is the old Z2, but still outperformed in appearance by "cr@p" products.....



What made Z famous and created the huge base of fans (not start a flamewar, but many of them zealots, sorry, sad but true and ) was the creation of a careful process to ensure you get the best of the product, and a product that by itself may be the best all around LSP (durability, look, application) Yes, it is used as benchmark by many other sealants as Z is the most rounded and the most famous. Mothers don't claim to compete directly with Z, but is their own professionalism, even though their products can be worthier of being compared to Z than many others -even boutique- who indeed try to take on Z.



The true autopian know that once the paint shines by itself, any LSP will make it look better. Some prefer certain looks, so pick what you like. Some would claim sealants look "sterile" , but Blkz28conv makes a very good statement that Z looks "very natural, true color hue and fresh of the paint boot". I think he has a point, so use what pleases your eye.



I am following the development of Z8 as I want to find a quick detailer that can be used with any other product and give the protection of a booster with the application of a quick detailer (faster than a booster wax) If I find it I will get it regardless of name or intended use. The GLARE liquiclay was intended to work with glare as system, but I found it so effective and easy by itself that is my clay of choice in any clay work.



Z8 users, could you please use it and review it fairly? Would you mind comparing it with what is available, whether quick detailer, booster wax or gloss enhancer? I think that if you already spent $20 plus shipping in Z8 you can as well spend $5 for mothers spray FX, and $3.98 for wax as u dry to geta broad array of products to test against. I am not telling you to change your habits and use the later as habitual products, but for a few panels as a test to help other autopian I think is worth :D



I'll go back to the original assesment that mothers and Z are for different audiences, no question about it. However, the differences are durability (edge Z) and application (edge mothers) as they are closely matched in appearance, they all look stunning in PROPERLY prepped paint.





Alex
 
BradE said:
Some of the comments in this thread are amazing.



For those of you thinking Sal is making a fortune on this product, he isnâ€â„¢t. Z8 is a very complex formula, with 25 ingredients in it, and itâ€â„¢s EXPENSIVE to make. Sal debated for quite a while if he should even bring this product to market because of the costs involved. In the end, the product and results were too impressive to him to let if fall by the wayside.



:shocked :shocked



Just in case he drops it out of his lineup, should I buy a couple cases??;) ;) ;)







This is entertaining... how many posters have got this stuff into their hot little hands ? (including me) $20 bucks wont take you and a friend to a movie...lets be real about this. I commend Sal for continuing to strive to improve his product line. His asking price isnt too high if it does half as good as the claims made for Z8. I know Z2Pro was an impressive improvement over regular Z2. And Z2 was no slouch ! Cant we just wait and see by observation? I personally gave up trying to be frugal after I bought my Cyclo and PC.... I need to get my money's worth by using the best products I can find. Z8 is reasonable in price considering what I have spent so far, and whats out there(other products), it is a light investment. I never thought I would hear such "penny pinching" on Autopia... Hey , Gas is $2.50 a gallon ! is this price out of line with the rest of the economy ? Everything reflects the current cost of living.... Poor ol' Sal Zaino has gotta eat too.

;) This hurts me real deep



:LOLOL





Actually, I am really enjoying the stuff the debut of this one product has brought forth out of my fellow Autopians. I am amazed at the passions aroused by Zaino products. I wonder why nobody gets as passionate about the PC, which is certainly more ubiquitously touted than any other product on this site. Or BF, which has a wider range of results.... why is Zaino so contoversial?? But as this post shows, I am having much fun reading this- about an untried product !? Keep the comments coming, lets air this stuff....;)
 
IMO Zaino is controversial is because of the manner in which some users make claim that it is the greatest and I quote a Zaino user- "other products are crap" and the fact that the Zaino website promotes ZFX and now Z8 in the ultimate TV infomercial style- and many here have complained bout how Meguiars pushed NXT :rolleyes: -IMO you can't say how great Z8 is unless you compare it with other similar products
 
It's also controversial because of folks who feel the need to constantly diminish or undercut Zaino.



As for the way Meguiar's pushed NXT, heck, if Meguiar's limited their promotion of NXT to an "informercial style" website, I don't think there would have been too many complaints. You really can't make that kind of comparison...
 
Intermezzo said:
It's also controversial because of folks who feel the need to constantly diminish or undercut Zaino.



And it usually comes from people who have never used the product. :down
 
I have no favorite wax and/or sealant yet as I am relatively new to this site and all of the products that I have. In the last few months I have only tried a couple of combinations.



1.



Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion

WG x 2

Pinnacle Souveran x 3



2.



AIO

UPP x 3



Next up will be the Zaino system, with the Z8.



After I finish up with a few coats of Zaino Pro, I will give a review of my unbiased findings for those interested. I have heard plenty of good things about Zaino, which prompted me to try it for myself.



Can't wait for the results!
 
where did I dimish the product? I said it was quality-I just KNOW that other quality products exist unlike SOME zaino users:o-and unlike others who misrepresent "cleaner waxes" because of their own bias
 
wannafbody wrote ,"and unlike others who misrepresent "cleaner waxes" because of their own bias"



Please explain what you mean by this...it should be good for a few laughs.:laugh:



There are plenty of Excellent OTC products and other Excellent boutique products. No one is forcing you to try or use Zaino. But all you do is knock it with your little digs, innuendoes, and surmises without ever trying it. You intentionally start flame wars and always come back with, "I never said it wasn't a quality product". I even think you were warned in the past about your behavior by DavidB.
 
Members will differentiate products here at Autopia. If a product is introduced as "abrasive-free", pure, the best, "nothing come close" and "if you use anything else, you are not using the best' type comments are shot down rather quickly. More tactful member just write about their experience with a specific product and note their pleasures and displeasures with that product. I personally never post comments about products that I have no past experiences with or do I develop an opinion based on internet threads or gossip. I will ask questions about these products and render more info about it and how it might fit into my program of detailing or question a products claims based on a scientific basis (i.e. pure natural "white carnuaba"). I also accept that there are different preferences for products and there are many excellent products available in the marketplace.



Rarely, will anyone here call something "crap". Personally, I have not found one "crappy" product that was honestly discussed here and few that completely disappointed me.



Cleaner waxes/sealant: My general definition. A product that will increase a surface (finish) gloss, remove oxidation and has some type of surface defect corrective ability (this does not include a dirty film that can be remove by water or water and shampoo mixture). Any product the contains a high level of solvents (chemical cleanser) or any abrasive particulates that have a physical abrasive effect on a painted surface.



Enough rambling.....:o
 
ZaneO said:
I guess you wouldn't know because you've never used Zaino, yet you feel the need to comment on every topic concerning Zaino.
:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs



wannafbody said:
IMO Zaino is controversial is because of the manner in which some users make claim that it is the greatest and I quote a Zaino user- "other products are crap" and the fact that the Zaino website promotes ZFX and now Z8 in the ultimate TV infomercial style- and many here have complained bout how Meguiars pushed NXT :rolleyes: -IMO you can't say how great Z8 is unless you compare it with other similar products

Zaino isn't controversal it's a car detailing product, and yes some people like it and for good reason. The problem is they haven't concentrated on distribution, because if everyone sold it like klasse all of these detailing sites would carry it, and continuing to besmurge it wouldn't be allowed.



We need a hater smiley, or a quite hating smiley. Fbody is besmurging Zaino in every Zaino post and creating his own Zaino hater posts, when is enough enough? Fbody is lucky our courts don't deal with hate crimes. :chill:



Funniest thing ever is the dude has Repeatedly said he's never tried it, too funny.:D
 
RIC said:
wannafbody wrote ,"and unlike others who misrepresent "cleaner waxes" because of their own bias"



Please explain what you mean by this...it should be good for a few laughs.:laugh:



There are plenty of Excellent OTC products and other Excellent boutique products. No one is forcing you to try or use Zaino. But all you do is knock it with your little digs, innuendoes, and surmises without ever trying it. You intentionally start flame wars and always come back with, "I never said it wasn't a quality product". I even think you were warned in the past about your behavior by DavidB.



RIC: You are correct. Excellent response.



wannafbody: PM me ASAP. Thank you.
 
wannafbody said:
IMO you can't say how great Z8 is unless you compare it with other similar products



It JUST came out...and the testers did try it, I am no purist about any product. Any manufacturer with a brain HAS to say his product is the new "Hot buttered popcorn" because that is the nature of business. A business has to get a profit, so naturally they will tout their product lineup. Hmmmm does Sal Zaino own stock in Dawn? Wait , they sell a car wash concentrate.... Darn, there goes the theory of plain old hucksterism ! I think the truth is between salesmanship and honest information about process.

Zaino is a consistent product, which gives predictable results if certain things are done the same way each time. I would think this alone would be a reason to reccomend and praise any product. I wouldnt say to the public, and certainly not to people who make a living detailing cars "this is a great mediocre Spray Sealant, It will give you average results", if I wanted to sell this stuff at any volume. So it gets down once again to observable outcomes to be able to judge a product, one must first use it ! This is not an opinion- it is real world. But we have to believe some of what users say about things.... And I heard 95% good things about Z products before I used them. But I switch to new things in a hearbeat because there is always something new to try, while using the old things that perform. Ahhhh " its a fixation" the ultimate shine :bounce :bounce :bounce



Thank goodness !
 
wannafbody - with each of your posts, you are just discrediting yourself more and more. I truly feel sorry for you. :(
 
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