so who should be our next president in your opinion?

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One aside: I really like Ron Paul's suggestion to eliminate taxes on tips. That would be provide an immediate benefit to the poor and the young.
 
Brandon1 said:
I honestly think all of them suck. The pussification of our country is out of control, and none of them seem to be offereing any help.



Honestly, long as it isnt Obama. I've said that a million times and ppl are like "it's b/c he's black". Honestly that isnt it. It's b/c he did not put his hand over his heart during a national anthem some months ago. And early reports have stated that he requests when he's sworn in, he uses the muslim bible. That to me, isnt what an AMERICAN leader should be.



Course, i'm just 20, so what do I know.
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A man has to be Christian to be President? Is that what you are implying? If that is the case, then why? Much of the population of the United States is not Christian, so why then must its leader be? Why not Hindu, or Muslim, or Buddhist?



Of course, I'm not from the US so what do I know...
 
I just dont think he should be muslim. This is a christian nation, and so should be represented in an American leader.
 
Brandon1 said:
Honestly, long as it isnt Obama. I've said that a million times and ppl are like "it's b/c he's black". Honestly that isnt it. It's b/c he did not put his hand over his heart during a national anthem some months ago. And early reports have stated that he requests when he's sworn in, he uses the muslim bible. That to me, isnt what an AMERICAN leader should be.
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The Muslim bible? What is that?



BTW, if people didn't believe any BS that was put out on the internet, perhaps there wouldn't be so much "pussification".
 
Setec Astronomy said:
The Muslim bible? What is that?



BTW, if people didn't believe any BS that was put out on the internet, perhaps there wouldn't be so much "pussification".
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Yeah, that is so the truth. Some things get perpetuated to no end.
 
Brandon1 said:
mmmm, knew i'd step on some toes ;)
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Politics and religion don't mix very well. Sometimes, it can be a pretty bad combo. I know separation of the church and state is at an all-time low right now south of me, but some day they will separate once again.
 
Holden_C04 said:
Politics and religion don't mix very well. Sometimes, it can be a pretty bad combo. I know separation of the church and state is at an all-time low right now south of me, but some day they will separate once again.
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Yeah, I definatly hear that. I mean, I dont know enough to really be talking about this, all i'm talking about is what I hear/see from others and news. I dont know each canidate personally, and neither do any of us, so none of us know anything more than what we hear or see.



Shoulda just stayed out, too young to have an opinion anyways.
 
Holden_C04 said:
I strongly believe in a government that offers assistance to its people, through programs like EI (employment insurance), welfare (for temporary financial need), and free access to health care for every citizen. Services are what the nation should be providing to its citizens. It should be a caregiver to all. Tax cuts should not be viewed as a good thing because they hurt the very base that needs them the most.



I am very lucky to live in such a nation that provides for its people. If I were to live in such a country that did not, as yours doesn't, I would opt for a leader who may at least effect some change in the nation. My vote would be for Obama.
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I believe a nation that provides for ones needs teaches one to be dependent on the government rather than to be self sufficient. The way the US stresses self sufficiency, entrepreneurship, and hard work built the US into the strongest nation today. I believe that is why despite the US currently going through an economic down turn and unemployment is in the mid 5% (I think) yet other countries which practice the socialistic practices you mention would love to have 5% unemployment, especially much of Europe.



Universal healthcare is a touchy subject. One reason I have reservations against universal health care is due to the fact that many countries which have it are experiencing extreme shortages in doctors in nurses result in delays in care and poor healthcare overall. Students are not entering the medical field because they don't want to practice under a system provided by the government, can't say I blame them. Several US corporations with employees in Europe will still pay for health insurance for those employees, despite the fact that they have universal healthcare in those countries, because the healthcare is so poor. I understand where the joke healthcare for all means healthcare for none.



Rudy Giuliani (who is about as liberal as a republican can be) stated he was against universal health care because people should have to work for the things they want - which I agree with in principle. I guess my problem is what about children of those who don't want to bother working hard? For that reason I could support universal healthcare for those under 18 or those under 24 who are continuing their education. Other than that, I think if we are going towards universal healthcare (which I think we eventually will with the dems on an upswing) it should be done slowly and cautiously.



I would much prefer a system where the US government offers enticing tax legislation to prompt companies to provide healthcare for workers. Right now, employers can deduct 100% of their healthcare cost for employers. I say make it 125% or 150%. In other words, if providing health insurance to employees would cost the company $1,000,000 a year (very realistic for a company with a few hundred employees) allow them to deduct $1,250,000 or $1,500,000 to encourage them provide healthcare for employees. By doing so, it keeps the government out of healthcare (for the most part).
 
Brandon1 said:
Yeah, I definatly hear that. I mean, I dont know enough to really be talking about this, all i'm talking about is what I hear/see from others and news. I dont know each canidate personally, and neither do any of us, so none of us know anything more than what we hear or see.



Shoulda just stayed out, too young to have an opinion anyways.
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No, you're not too young at all to have an opinion. Just don't get your opinion from the news. Do some looking for yourself. I'm still up in the air for my choice but I know that the muslim stuff having to do with Obama is an untruth. Someone close to me is working *very* close with him.:)
 
Brandon1 said:
Yeah, not since he joined the Church of Christ to cover for his muslim background.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that :rolleyes: That was after he snuck into Iraq and hid all the WMD's so we wouldn't find them, so that his friend Osama could use them (they must be friends because his last name rhymes with Osama, right?). Look out behind you, those dang Christian-pretending Muslims are all around us.



And about that Christian nation business, IIRC, the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution, so they could live in a place where they could practice any religion they wanted. Good thing they didn't land in NC.
 
SpoiledMan said:
No, you're not too young at all to have an opinion. Just don't get your opinion from the news. Do some looking for yourself. I'm still up in the air for my choice but I know that the muslim stuff having to do with Obama is an untruth. Someone close to me is working *very* close with him.:)
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Well honestly, unless you do have someone working very close with him, all we others have is the news. How else do you pick?



setec-chill out up there in jersey man.:hm your signature is starting to become true.
 
Holden_C04 said:
Politics and religion don't mix very well. Sometimes, it can be a pretty bad combo. I know separation of the church and state is at an all-time low right now south of me, but some day they will separate once again.
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It is? Since when. To the best of my knowledge, prayer in public schools is still not allowed. Up till the 1960's or 70's, prayer was in pretty much all public schools. Not today. The same goes for cities wanting to put up Nativity scenes during Christmas - oh excuse me during the holiday season. When the ACLU sues that city, they generally get their way in court and the Nativity scene is gone. Numerous court houses have been forced to remove the Ten Commandments which 40 years ago and earlier really wouldn't have caused much concern. Seems to me church and state are much more seperated today than it was from 1776 to the 1960's.



It is my hope, that many of the federal buildings in Washington DC which have Ten Commandments and other biblical references that have been on them for in some cases over a century, don't get defaced. History and tradition have to count for something.
 
Brandon1 said:
Well honestly, unless you do have someone working very close with him, all we others have is the news. How else do you pick?



setec-chill out up there in jersey man.:hm your signature is starting to become true.
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You didn't hear that Obama is a Muslim or Hillary is a dyke from the news. You heard it from the BS internet rumor mill and other assorted hearsay.



Oh, and my signature IS true, that's why it's my sig.
 
Brandon1 said:
Well honestly, unless you do have someone working very close with him, all we others have is the news. How else do you pick?
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Keep watching the news and hear that those are just unfounded rumors.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
You didn't hear that Obama is a Muslim or Hillary is a dyke from the news. You heard it from the BS internet rumor mill and other assorted hearsay.



Oh, and my signature IS true, that's why it's my sig.
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Oh I didnt realize that "news" was only C-span or CNN. Other sources can or cannot be just as legit.
 
Brandon1 said:
Oh I didnt realize that "news" was only C-span or CNN. Other sources can or cannot be just as legit.
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Well why don't you then point us to the legitimate news sources that broke the stories of Hillary being a dyke and Obama being a Muslim?
 
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