so who should be our next president in your opinion?
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Setec Astronomy
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Scottwax said:
That is a frequent complaint that we now hear, that Bush isn't a "real" conservative. For us non-Texans, can you elaborate on how he was different as Governor?
imported_Larry A
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Does it realy make much difference. All you can do is vote for the lesser evil.
TortoiseAWD
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That would be awesome, as far as I'm concerned . . . the fewer laws the legislature passes, the better off we all are.Bunky said:
Two thumbs up for gridlock. The more time the politicians spend in traffic, the less time they have to find new and novel ways to erode the Constitution.
Tort
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Spilchy
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Ron Paul is a dope with direct ties to Neo Nazi Groups and white supremacists. David Duke refers to him as "our king" on his website. Ron Paul has taken campaign money from these groups whose websites (like stormfront.org and Vanguard News Network) have links to Paul so adherents of racial and anti-semitic venom can contribute to his campaign.
Ron Paul also has a very strong following among the geniuses who deny the Holocaust and believe our government staged 9/11.
Ron Paul attracts a rabid, zealous hodgepodge fringe element that use the Internet effectively to make him look more popular than he actually is.
I know none of you guys adhere to this garbage but you should check it out.
I read a lot of popular, mainstream conservative political blogs and they have relevant information. Here are a few links from my favorite blog when I do a search for his name:
lgf: search
Here is another interesting article
American Thinker: The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
As far as my vote; I'd like to see Rudy. I find him pragmatic, not an ideologue and tough. I watch the Democratic debates and it feels like I'm watching who can be the biggest appeasing defeatist when it comes to confronting terrorism and enemies of the US. Not to mention whose going to spend even more of my money.
Ron Paul also has a very strong following among the geniuses who deny the Holocaust and believe our government staged 9/11.
Ron Paul attracts a rabid, zealous hodgepodge fringe element that use the Internet effectively to make him look more popular than he actually is.
I know none of you guys adhere to this garbage but you should check it out.
I read a lot of popular, mainstream conservative political blogs and they have relevant information. Here are a few links from my favorite blog when I do a search for his name:
lgf: search
Here is another interesting article
American Thinker: The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
As far as my vote; I'd like to see Rudy. I find him pragmatic, not an ideologue and tough. I watch the Democratic debates and it feels like I'm watching who can be the biggest appeasing defeatist when it comes to confronting terrorism and enemies of the US. Not to mention whose going to spend even more of my money.
Spilchy
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Setec Astronomy said:
It is because of his spending. He has not been a fiscal conservative. I *believe* that was what Scott was referring too but I don't want to put words in his mouth.
Junebug
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Dear God, if we could just find a man of Ronald Reagan's caliber again! He was the best we've had since I was born - '59
topnotchtouch
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Spilchy said:
While I have been a registered Republican for more than 25 years, I am a moderate. Then there is my brother who is probably more conservative than Rush himself. My brother told me the same thing about Ron Paul. I have already seen a lot of these articles.
Read the articles closely, you can't really call him a Neo-Nazi or a supporter just because those groups support him. Is he advertising in the Nazi times or something? Show me something that supports the idea that he IS a Neo-Nazi or even supports their cause rather than articles that simply suggest he is because a very small number of his supporters are...
If we are going to persecute candidates for their supporters I really think we would probably need to hang 'em all up from the nearest tree
I for one am certain that if Giuliani gets the nomination we are certain to see a Democrat in the White House for 2008. Seems to me that GW's current 74% disproval rating would be a sign to the other GOP candidates that the current path is not what the vast majority of Americans want.
Spilchy
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I never called him a Neo Nazi but I think it is disturbing that he has yet to make a single proclamation denouncing this insidious philosophy or distance himself from them by at least returning campaign contributions. If Ron Paul represents the voice of these animals, then I want nothing to do with him.
As far as "persecuting" candidates for staunch supporters likes the KKK, David Duke, Aryan Nation, etc... we should. I do not find these individuals suitable voices to be heard in the political arena, throwing support behind a candidate. When these people en masse find an outlet and a channel to be heard in a politician running for President, then it needs to be exposed. You simply can not dismiss this phenomenon with a joke.
If Obama took campaign contributions from the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers and served as an outlet to the point that these radical groups felt that they had a voice, then I'd feel the same way.
These folks have a right to spew this crap, and the majority decent people of this country regardless of political affiliation have the right to point it out.
Personally, as a human being, let alone for any other reason, would never, ever wish to be associated with a candidate that actively takes campaign contributions from these vermin or who serves as such a hero to them.
Their agenda is a tad more insidious than say a teachers union or even the oil industry for that matter (referring to your comment about persecuting candidates for their supporters)
As far as "persecuting" candidates for staunch supporters likes the KKK, David Duke, Aryan Nation, etc... we should. I do not find these individuals suitable voices to be heard in the political arena, throwing support behind a candidate. When these people en masse find an outlet and a channel to be heard in a politician running for President, then it needs to be exposed. You simply can not dismiss this phenomenon with a joke.
If Obama took campaign contributions from the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers and served as an outlet to the point that these radical groups felt that they had a voice, then I'd feel the same way.
These folks have a right to spew this crap, and the majority decent people of this country regardless of political affiliation have the right to point it out.
Personally, as a human being, let alone for any other reason, would never, ever wish to be associated with a candidate that actively takes campaign contributions from these vermin or who serves as such a hero to them.
Their agenda is a tad more insidious than say a teachers union or even the oil industry for that matter (referring to your comment about persecuting candidates for their supporters)
Ron Paul... for many reasons.
In sum... He is the only candidate with a Goldwater/Reagan philosophy. Small government, lower taxes, sound monetary policy, individual freedom and responsibility. He has a nerdy passion for economic policy and constitutional restraint, and I think that is exactly what this country needs right now!
And beyond that, he is the only candidate I really trust to do in office what he is campaigning on. He has a set of unwavering core principles that aren't based on poll numbers or "electibility".
In sum... He is the only candidate with a Goldwater/Reagan philosophy. Small government, lower taxes, sound monetary policy, individual freedom and responsibility. He has a nerdy passion for economic policy and constitutional restraint, and I think that is exactly what this country needs right now!
And beyond that, he is the only candidate I really trust to do in office what he is campaigning on. He has a set of unwavering core principles that aren't based on poll numbers or "electibility".
imported_mobenzowner1
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I would like to comment on the quality of posts on this thread the last couple of days. I commend most of you for giving thoughtful and intelligent responses regardless of which side of the post your are on. Usually you only see emotion ridden flames with little thought behind them on this subject. I am impressed by many of you.
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Spilchy said:
I will agree with you that he does need to address this publicly as the continued silence just serves to add fuel to the fire.
Still, you are trying to make a connection where there just isn't one. The worse case scenario here is that they just aren't doing a good job of tracking where the donations are coming from and are probably guilty of hoping this whole thing would just blow over...
So are you also saying that people with libertarian views are vermin just because they may share some of the same political views as these groups?
At this point all I can fault the man for is not denouncing the association and not giving back the donation or better yet giving it to a worthy cause.
I am gonna have to bow out as I don't really see this going anywhere...
Spilchy
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rjstaaf said:
Of course not. I don't know where you drew that connection since libertarians (big "L" and little "L") where never mentioned by me. I'm sure Neo Nazis and I share a fondness for cheese, but that doesn't make me one! I too hold certain libertarian (little "L") sentiments like Tort. I'm in poor company (not you Tort!) if these Fascists feel the same way.
Also, you keep thinking that I'm trying to paint Ron Paul as a Neo Nazi hence your continued attempt at telling me that I am trying to make a connection. I never said he was a Neo Nazi. I am simply pointing out the fact that he has broad support from the KKK / Neo Nazi movements within the United States via campaign contributions and exposure on websites including links to contribute; all serving to advance the campaign of Ron Paul for President. I find this scary and disturbing since I can't remember any other person running for office besides David Duke who had this fan base. And Ron Paul has done nothing to distance himself despite being fully aware of the situation.
It's always good to know where the money is coming from whether its the KKK and Neo Nazis for Ron Paul or Johnson and Johnson for Hillary or Winchester for Fred Thompson.
I'm done discussing this dope. I respect your opinion Bob and in no way lump you or others on this board in with those clowns since you support Ron Paul.
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imported_truzoom
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Anyone but Hillary
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JuneBug said:
Amen brother! He was a man of great character and was able to shoot from the hip and usually made the right choice. We were respected as a nation and the enemy was afraid of us. Does anyone else notice that the terrorism threat has snowballed after Reagan left office? I am not a war monger but believe that we have been weakened by whimpy Presidents! The best defense has always been a superior offense. I hope that whomever is elected has the B---- to take care of the current problems we face as a nation starting with our open borders, terrorists, health care costs, (we can thank Edwards for contributing to making them so high) and the lost morality we face today. I think if we continue on the path we are on we will lose this nation. Sorry about my rant, but I wanted to say it! Born in 1956 when men were men and we didn't share bathrooms with transgenders, transvestites or women!
Bunky
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dave40co said:
Reagan could not balance the budget either. He complained about them but he refused to make the tough political choices. He also did not believe deficits were a primary goal (the Goldwater Republication premise)
I do not see how you can solve the terrorist issue. There has been unrest in the middle east since time began (Garden of Eden for religious types). The difference is they have access to more powerful weapons.
Capping medical damages and controlling malpractice is NOT going to solve the health care cost if you are trying to blame John Edwards. I do not believe the government can do any better (see how the VA care is !!).
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Bunky said:
I believe he made the tough choices such as the tax cuts which led to the greatest amount of money to flow into the treasury ever and created the economic boom that lasted for 20 plus years. No contemporary Pres. has balanced the budget either. He also had the guts to walk out of the talks with Gorbachev that brought down the Soviet Union.
I don't think we can solve the terrorist issue, but we need someone who will do something to protect us.
When we have an aspirin at the hospital that costs 5-7 bucks and 1 day in the emergency room that cost my 75 year old mother-in-law 10 grand we have a broken system. My brother-in-law just retired as a GP and was paying $100,000 a year for insurance. What do you think is a way to fix it?
Setec Astronomy
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dave40co said:
:nixweiss :think: If there was all that money flowing into the treasury, it was running out the other end, because Reagan ran up a debt bigger than anyone could imagine...until W. Unless I was dreaming, we had at least one balanced budget when Clinton was President.
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