imported_mobenzowner1
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Tom Tancredo or Ron Paul here, but neither has a chance. With that said of the candidates who actually have a chance it would be Guilliani for me.
so who should be our next president in your opinion?
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topnotchtouch
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mobenzowner said:
Why Guilliani? Not trying to be sarcastic or start something, just curious :think:
Paulie Walnuts
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You should learn how to spell the candidates names before you should be able to vote for them.baseballlover1 said:
baseballlover1
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Ok, im sorry. If someone else (over the age of 18) spelled the name of a candidate for president i doubt you would say they shouldn't be able to vote due to their bad spelling.
imported_mobenzowner1
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baseballover1,
Guess I'll have to sit the next election out also because I also misspelled Giuliani, but I'm sure we're in good hands with competent spellers like Billy... BTW I'm just kidding mr bonney. dont get out your 6 shooter....:LOLOL .
Guess I'll have to sit the next election out also because I also misspelled Giuliani, but I'm sure we're in good hands with competent spellers like Billy... BTW I'm just kidding mr bonney. dont get out your 6 shooter....:LOLOL .
Paulie Walnuts
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baseballlover1 said:
I's just hacking on ya
RTexasF
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Rudy G. is my pick.
Bunky
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paul34 said:
Do you think if he was elected he would actually accomplish a lot? Instead of working against one party, they both will be against him. He is too Libertarian for the mainstream GOP. It may be fun for a while....
topnotchtouch
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Bunky said:
Hmmmm, "mainstream GOP", what does that mean these days? Please tell me people don't consider the current administration or the front-runners for the Republican party "main stream"?
It would be great if we had more than the current 2 party system. I am an independent because neither of the 2 major political parties completely reflect my beliefs. The majority of the 3rd parties do not have the financial resources to make a serious run for President.
One thing that nobody has brought up is what running for President has become. Regardless of political party a candidate running for President needs approximately $100 million dollars to run a successful campaign. You can not raise that amount of funding just from private individuals. The vast majority of those dollars come from corporations, unions, and other special interest groups. As a result a candidate has to capitulate to the large contributors that helped them get into office. So the elected President is not the rose colored lens version of by the people for the people. It has become a position that has some degree of obligation, either direct or implied, to its largest contributors.
Plus no matter what any politician says their first and foremost concern is getting elected and re-elected. If you look at certain candidates their stance on key issues have changed depending on poll results and what will increase their chance of getting elected.
It is a reflection of our society as a whole. If you look at what our country has become our founding fathers would have a coronary! The divide amongst the economic classes has widened dramatically since the late 80's. Corporations have let greed drive the majority of their decisions. You see companies merge and lay off thousands of people while the executive management gets tens of millions of dollars as they head out the door. Enron, World Comm, Tyco and the list goes on.
Now we are seeing the downside of greed in the financial markets. Companies driven by maximizing profits wrote billions of dollars in questionable loans knowing that they would be able to package those loans and sell the debt to Wall Street. Now that the secondary market has dried up the large money center banks are forced to take these securities back on their balance sheets. As a result they have had to write down billions of dollars in bad debt. What we have seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg. People have to remember that these CDOs are valued by the issuing banks since their is no longer a secondary market. So you have Citi and B of A setting up funding for these bad loans. They are also setting the price for these securities. Like an iceberg we have only seen a very small portion of the problem. Just today HSBC brought $45 Billion of bad notes back onto their balance sheet. It would cause a major disruption in world financial markets if 3rd party auditors came in and truly valued these CDOs to reflect a real world market price. Right now we are taking the issuing banks' word on their values.
Look what is happening to Citi Bank right now. Execs leave with multi million dollar packages while approximately 45,000 employees are going to eventually get let go.
Also, look at the pay packages that CEOs get. Steve Jobs of Apple has done a remarkable job turning around Apple. His total compensation $646.60 mil (source Forbes). Is he really worth that much. I am sure there are a lot of smart guys who could do just as good for the bargain price of $6 million!
Sorry for the rant. I guess it must be Monday! I actually work for a large publicly traded bank so I see this stuff every day.
One thing that nobody has brought up is what running for President has become. Regardless of political party a candidate running for President needs approximately $100 million dollars to run a successful campaign. You can not raise that amount of funding just from private individuals. The vast majority of those dollars come from corporations, unions, and other special interest groups. As a result a candidate has to capitulate to the large contributors that helped them get into office. So the elected President is not the rose colored lens version of by the people for the people. It has become a position that has some degree of obligation, either direct or implied, to its largest contributors.
Plus no matter what any politician says their first and foremost concern is getting elected and re-elected. If you look at certain candidates their stance on key issues have changed depending on poll results and what will increase their chance of getting elected.
It is a reflection of our society as a whole. If you look at what our country has become our founding fathers would have a coronary! The divide amongst the economic classes has widened dramatically since the late 80's. Corporations have let greed drive the majority of their decisions. You see companies merge and lay off thousands of people while the executive management gets tens of millions of dollars as they head out the door. Enron, World Comm, Tyco and the list goes on.
Now we are seeing the downside of greed in the financial markets. Companies driven by maximizing profits wrote billions of dollars in questionable loans knowing that they would be able to package those loans and sell the debt to Wall Street. Now that the secondary market has dried up the large money center banks are forced to take these securities back on their balance sheets. As a result they have had to write down billions of dollars in bad debt. What we have seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg. People have to remember that these CDOs are valued by the issuing banks since their is no longer a secondary market. So you have Citi and B of A setting up funding for these bad loans. They are also setting the price for these securities. Like an iceberg we have only seen a very small portion of the problem. Just today HSBC brought $45 Billion of bad notes back onto their balance sheet. It would cause a major disruption in world financial markets if 3rd party auditors came in and truly valued these CDOs to reflect a real world market price. Right now we are taking the issuing banks' word on their values.
Look what is happening to Citi Bank right now. Execs leave with multi million dollar packages while approximately 45,000 employees are going to eventually get let go.
Also, look at the pay packages that CEOs get. Steve Jobs of Apple has done a remarkable job turning around Apple. His total compensation $646.60 mil (source Forbes). Is he really worth that much. I am sure there are a lot of smart guys who could do just as good for the bargain price of $6 million!
Sorry for the rant. I guess it must be Monday! I actually work for a large publicly traded bank so I see this stuff every day.
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TrueDetailer
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I'd vote for hillary.
let the flaming begin lol
let the flaming begin lol
Romney. I see him as strong on all of the important issues and no one can touch him when it comes to money skills. The sleeping giant that's not getting enough attention IMO in this campaign so far is the condition of the American economy. Romney has an amazing track record in public and private settings in that arena. Right now the credit crisis is a mess, the bottom has dropped out of the American dollar, and if there's another terrorist attack I'm willing to bet they'll try to do whatever damage they can to our economy.
BlackElantraGT
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at this point I don't really care. Could any candidate be any worse than G W Bush? I'm just looking forward to some change.
topnotchtouch
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BlackElantraGT said:
Maybe not worse but I do believe that there are those in the forefront that aren't going to be much better...
Unfortunately this is going to be another election that is like trying to pick an apple with the least amount of rot from a pile of rotten apples...
Pennypacker
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Hillary.
..but whoever it may end up being, that day can't come soon enough.
EDIT: Changed my mind several weeks ago. I'm going with Obama! Potential 30+ years of having either a Bush or Clinton in the White House is a little too much for me to stomach. We should at least somewhat resemble a democracy!
..but whoever it may end up being, that day can't come soon enough.
EDIT: Changed my mind several weeks ago. I'm going with Obama! Potential 30+ years of having either a Bush or Clinton in the White House is a little too much for me to stomach. We should at least somewhat resemble a democracy!
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