Rumors of GM buying Chrysler group

Definitely will be interesting. I think it's safe to say *something* is going to happen to DCX, as they are expressing clear intent to sell, and the buzzards are really buzzing. I heard about the stock swap thing as well.



Here's a little more speculation...from Reuters

KeyBanc says Canadian auto supplier Magna (MGA) "is currently

doing substantial due diligence work on Chrysler and is seriously considering

the potential purchase of the company." The note cites unidentified sources and

follows Detroit Free Press story over the weekend suggesting DCX and MGA

leaders met on Feb 14. KeyBanc believes MGA management wants to get more

involved in vehicle design and that it's eyeing becoming "the low-cost provider

of virtually everything in the automotive supply chain." However, KeyBanc

doubts MGA's interest will blossom into "the ultimate combination of the two

companies."



and...



NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--The bidding process for the Chrysler Group will begin as

soon as next week, when private investors and automakers are expected to

receive confidential data on the U.S. division of DaimlerChrysler AG (DCX), The

Detroit Press reported on its Web site Saturday.



Distribution of the prospectus is the first step in a process that could lead

to the sale of Chrysler to a private-equity firm or a rival automaker such as

General Motors Corp. (GM), according to the report. Only a limited number of potential buyers will be given the document prepared by J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., the investment banker hired by DaimlerChrysler to manage a possible sale, the Press reported.



People familiar with the situation, cited by the Press, said a handful of

blue-chip, private-equity firms are already slated to receive the document,

including Cerberus Capital, Apollo Management, the Carlyle Group and the

Blackstone Group. In addition, GM and several foreign auto companies will also likely get the prospectus that breaks down Chrysler's assets, liabilities and future product

plans add sales projections, the report said. A sale or spin-off of Chrysler is among the options under active considerationby its German parent, DaimlerChrysler, the report said.



The decision to put Chrysler on the block came Feb. 14, the same day that a

sweeping restructuring was announced for the troubled U.S. unit.



And, from the WSJ...

(From THE WALL STREET JOURNAL)

By Gina Chon and Neal E. Boudette

General Motors Corp. is flirting with the idea of acquiring DaimlerChrysler

AG's Chrysler Group, but it would face massive challenges if it were to take

over its longtime rival.



Both GM and Chrysler have excess manufacturing capacity in North America, more

U.S. dealers than they need and enormous and rising health-care bills for union

workers and retirees. For GM, a purchase of Chrysler "makes no sense to me,"

said Peter Nesvold, an auto-industry analyst at Bear Stearns Cos.



A potential GM-Chrysler alliance has drawn intense scrutiny since

DaimlerChrysler Chief Executive Dieter Zetsche last week said that "all options

are open" for its U.S. arm, and after subsequent reports of GM's interest.

Speculation over potential buyers has also included private-equity investors as

well as other auto makers interested in staking a claim to the massive U.S.

market.



But any Chrysler buyer also would inherit the troubles plaguing Detroit -- and

GM already has its share. David Cole, president of the Center for Automotive

Research in Ann Arbor, Mich., said a GM takeover of Chrysler "would be a

stretch." In a Feb. 20 report, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. called the idea

"illogical."



Nevertheless, people familiar with the matter said GM has had discussions

about buying Chrysler and hasn't ruled out the idea. The two companies also are

considering working together under a less intensive relationship in a few

specific areas, such as sport-utility vehicles and minivans, these people said.



GM has made progress in the past year on streamlining its global operations

and cutting costs, an effort that could be knocked off course if management has

to focus on integrating and righting an unprofitable operation such as

Chrysler, said Mr. Nesvold. "Right now, GM's objective is to make its business

less complex, not more complex," he said.



Analysts say GM could gain advantages from buying Chrysler. A purchase would

eliminate a direct competitor from GM's biggest market. Chrysler's Jeep brand

could be a nice complement to GM's Hummer. Chrysler is also strong in minivans,

a segment GM has left.



A deal might also give GM the additional leverage to negotiate health-care

cuts with the United Auto Workers union. Both GM and Chrysler are obligated to

set aside billions of dollars to pay for pensions and health-care coverage for

workers, retirees and their dependents. By taking over Chrysler and threatening

to close Chrysler plants, GM might be able to push the union to accept cuts

that would lower the health-care liabilities.



"That's the one big carrot I can see," Mr. Cole said.

A UAW spokesman declined to comment. But the union's president, Ron

Gettelfinger, told Detroit radio station WJR yesterday that he had "no opinion"

on a potential GM takeover of Chrysler. He discounted reports of a potential

deal, saying, "I've talked to a lot of people, a lot of people about this [and]

it's pure speculation right now." He added, "it may end up that it's not sold.

Who knows?"



Analysts say the cost and difficulty of putting GM and Chrysler together would

outweigh any savings on those costs, a legacy of past labor agreements.

GM has 31 auto-assembly plants in North America and is closing five, but

Chrysler would add 13 to the fold (Chrysler plans to close one in Newark,

Del.). GM has eight brands -- too many, according to many critics -- and

Chrysler would add three.



The GM and Chrysler product lines overlap in many areas, and both derive much

of their profit from pickup trucks. "For anyone who has a nice truck portfolio

and is looking to build car brands, Chrysler would not make sense," said Rich

Kwas, vice president of equity research at Wachovia Securities. Because of this

concentration, a GM-Chrysler combination would almost certainly face intense

regulatory scrutiny.



Eric Selle, a credit analyst at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., told investors on a

conference call Tuesday that a deal would delay a realization of savings in

GM's global organization. He said the deal would make sense to GM only if the

price were right and the company could get a quick return on its investment.



In the past few months, Mr. Nesvold noted, GM has touted its growth in

overseas markets such as China and Russia. But buying Chrysler "would make them

even more concentrated in North America," he said.

Paring the combined dealer networks of Chrysler and GM would probably prove

highly expensive. GM has 7,000 U.S. dealers; Chrysler would give it 3,700 more.

At a recent conference sponsored by J.D. Power & Associates in Las Vegas, Troy

Clarke, president of GM North America, said GM is trimming the ranks of its

dealers as part of a strategy to consolidate Buick, Pontiac and GMC into a

single sales channel. Mr. Clarke indicated it is unlikely GM would try to slash

its dealer ranks rapidly through some sort of buyout.

"We know exactly how much that costs," Mr. Clarke said, alluding to GM's $2

billion shutdown of the Oldsmobile brand. "Where we need to put our money is

product."

Last week, DaimlerChrysler reported fourth-quarter earnings fell 40% because

of a 124 million euros ($162.9 million) loss by Chrysler. The company has hired

J.P. Morgan to explore options for Chrysler, including selling all or part of

the division.

Partners Renault SA and Nissan Motor Co. have said they aren't interested in

buying or partnering with Chrysler, as has South Korea's Hyundai Motor Co.
 
Danase said:
I kind of think that GM's interest was just to keep Toyota from passing them as number one this year.



That's the only possible reason I could think of for this deal even being a possibility. Hopefully GM will realize that keeping the #1 spot isn't as important as improving its products and profit margins--NOT its overall size. Acquiring Chrysler would be redundant and a further burden on GM's massive beaurocracy. GM needs to consolidate its brands rather than add on more dead weight. If GM is even thinking about taking on another company, it shoudl be a niche company that would take market share from other corporations rather than compete internally. Toyota, in part, got to its current status by only housing three brands, which are very distinguished from each other and have developed well-defined reputations from product quality and marketing.
 
PrinzII said:
Interesting. But this does look like more of a win-win proposition for both companies than if they bought GM.



I am not sure but they might still be for sale? Hard to tell from that article.
 
Danase said:
I am not sure but they might still be for sale? Hard to tell from that article.

Looks to me like it's a cooperative agreement to sell each other's cars, not a purchase of Chrysler. What surprised me was that DC stocks went slightly down on the news, but then again the market is taking a beating worldwide today.
 
Yeah, I think Chrylser is still for sale...with the agreement (just to sell cars in a particluar market) I would assume the company is still in the hands of Daimler. I would bet that private equity will eventually take the company...
 
Sounds kind of like they were just overplaying a business alliance between Chery and Chrysler. There has been talk for some time that Chery would develop a compact car for Dodge for the North American market and that Chryslers would be sold in China via Chery.
 
Sherman8r44 said:
Sounds kind of like they were just overplaying a business alliance between Chery and Chrysler. There has been talk for some time that Chery would develop a compact car for Dodge for the North American market and that Chryslers would be sold in China via Chery.

Anyone remember the Pontiac Le Mans from the early 90s made by Daewoo? Let's hope the auto industry as a whole learned a few lessons from that.

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Setec Astronomy said:
:hide: I forgot about that one!

Just call me a little wary after hearing reports about the apparent quality issues with their display cars at the show in Detroit. I know the Chinese ARE capable of turning out a decent product when they work at it, but I have a feeling they're not quite up to speed yet when it comes to the level American consumers expect on their cars these days.
 
Bad memories! I had fixed and sold so many of those clunkers. I did make a lot of money on those crap boxes and everyone wanted one. I guess that's the point on making cars like those.
 
velobard said:
Anyone remember the Pontiac Le Mans from the early 90s made by Daewoo? Let's hope the auto industry as a whole learned a few lessons from that.



Haha! Touche. But then again, Daewoo has sort of faded into obscurity while Hyundai/Kia poises to become a serious chink in Toyota's armor. I think it depends on the company...and Chery is, after all, the number one Chinese brand. Time will tell if it all pans out.
 
Danase said:
This is what I can not stand. "It is important to remember where the profits go." The profits that line the pockets of the big wigs? What is more important? Supporting the big wigs of companies or supporting the workers who build them? You would rather buy a car from the Detroit 3 built in Mexico with 90% Mexican parts than by a Honda made in Ohio with 98% US parts? Makes no sense to me at all. Some of you need to read a book on Global Economy I think.



Show me proof that the Detroit 3 uses more US suppliers than Toyota and Honda and the rest of the "imports".



I've said this 100 times already. I have family that works for US Steel in Ecorse, MI. In 2006 the car and truck of the year was a Honda Civic and Honda Ridgeline. Where did the steel come from to build those two vehicles? US Steel! Where did the steel come from to build cars for the Detroit 3? China?



Since you are so hard up to support "American" companies...Do us a favor and show us a list of items in your house and where it was made. Everything from your cooking utensils to your TV and computer and computer components.



Thank you for your spirited reply. I googled for some info on employment and found some at The Level Field Institute. They estimate that GM, Ford and Chrysler Group employed 315,000 U.S. jobs in 2006. Foreign auto makers employed 103,000 U.S. workers. They estimate that 42,750 U.S. jobs will be lost in 2007 resulting in 272,250 jobs from the domestics and 106,000 jobs from foreign manufacturers.



While the U.S. is not a complete free trade country, I think a reasonable person will find that the U.S. is far more open to foreign auto manufacturers than Japan and South Korea are open to U.S. manufacturers.



The profits from all manufacturers go to the shareholders. Reliable access to technology developed by manufacturers can be expected to reside with the "home team" during time of war. One of the reasons for the Allied victory in WWII was that America was the "Aresenal of Democracy".



Finally, my house is full of foreign products and I too find this alarming. Unfortunately, our lack of an effective trade policy has desimated many U.S industries. I don't want to continue down that path.
 
slawinlaw said:
Thank you for your spirited reply. I googled for some info on employment and found some at The Level Field Institute. They estimate that GM, Ford and Chrysler Group employed 315,000 U.S. jobs in 2006. Foreign auto makers employed 103,000 U.S. workers. They estimate that 42,750 U.S. jobs will be lost in 2007 resulting in 272,250 jobs from the domestics and 106,000 jobs from foreign manufacturers.



While the U.S. is not a complete free trade country, I think a reasonable person will find that the U.S. is far more open to foreign auto manufacturers than Japan and South Korea are open to U.S. manufacturers.



The profits from all manufacturers go to the shareholders. Reliable access to technology developed by manufacturers can be expected to reside with the "home team" during time of war. One of the reasons for the Allied victory in WWII was that America was the "Aresenal of Democracy".



Finally, my house is full of foreign products and I too find this alarming. Unfortunately, our lack of an effective trade policy has desimated many U.S industries. I don't want to continue down that path.



Well, you have to think about the suppliers to the big three as well. If they are buying all of their parts from China and Mexico that doesn't help the US economy. They might have 100,000 more direct employees working for them but how many US employees are beniffitting from the "forgein" car makers dealing with US suppliers? Like US Steel as mentioned earlier.



Why is your home filled with foreign products though? You could find the same products from Us companies if you search. You can't just pick something like a car and since you bought an "American" car everyone else should. Just out of curiousity , what are you driving?
 
We drive a 2003 Buick Century, a 2006 Ford Freestyle, and a 2006 Chevy Colorado. I am unaware of any evidence that indicates that foreign manufacturers buy more U.S. parts than do domestic manufacturers. Unfortunately, some items such as TVs, DVDs, and VCRs are no longer mass produced by U.S. manufacturers. In fact its ironic that Americans have to "search" to find U.S. manufactured products in American stores.



I submitt that the answer is not to ban foreign products or to enact excessive trade barriers. Rather we should treat the nations business as we would our own and seek to have a level playing field for all to compete. If another nation puts up a trade barrior to our products, we should return the favor and enact a similar restriction on that nations's products. Finally, in industries, such as steel, we shoud protect the industry enough to sustain our access to critical defense supplies.
 
slawinlaw said:
We drive a 2003 Buick Century, a 2006 Ford Freestyle, and a 2006 Chevy Colorado. I am unaware of any evidence that indicates that foreign manufacturers buy more U.S. parts than do domestic manufacturers. Unfortunately, some items such as TVs, DVDs, and VCRs are no longer mass produced by U.S. manufacturers. In fact its ironic that Americans have to "search" to find U.S. manufactured products in American stores.



I submitt that the answer is not to ban foreign products or to enact excessive trade barriers. Rather we should treat the nations business as we would our own and seek to have a level playing field for all to compete. If another nation puts up a trade barrior to our products, we should return the favor and enact a similar restriction on that nations's products. Finally, in industries, such as steel, we shoud protect the industry enough to sustain our access to critical defense supplies.

But the same can be said for cars. You have to search to find what cars are 100% made in the US...which you will find none are.



I agree with you on the trade portion.
 
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