Larrycolorglo
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I have one question for people who say the BBC tells it like it is. How do explain the fact they have refused to use the word "terrorist when talking about the scum that attacked the US on 9/11?
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Spilchy
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LKDFW said:
Come on, they're "bombers." The same applied to the TERRORIST attacks in London in July. The BBC referred to them as "bombers." After all, the BBC's guidelines state that its credibility is undermined by the "careless use of words which carry emotional or value judgments..."the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding".
Wow, whose a "terrorist" then?! :faint: Look up terrorist in Wikipedia and tell me the BBC is correct! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist
Sorry to go off message again
Sherman8r44
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Kanchou said:
Ed Koch is THE MAN :grinno: ! A "liberal with sanity"...I love watching and listening to him.
Remember, they're not terrorists, but "rogue actors".
Larrycolorglo
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Spilchy said:Come on, they're "bombers." The same applied to the TERRORIST attacks in London in July. The BBC referred to them as "bombers." After all, the BBC's guidelines state that its credibility is undermined by the "careless use of words which carry emotional or value judgments..."the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding".
Wow, whose a "terrorist" then?! :faint: Look up terrorist in Wikipedia and tell me the BBC is correct! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist
Sorry to go off message again
I tend to agree with the guys who in the intelligence sector who describe a terrorist as an individual whose goal is to effect a change in the normal behavior of a country by killing as many innocent civilians as possible to that country to succomb to their will. That definition is precisely what these cowards try to do. The name bomber could be a kid who lost it and builds a pipe bomb so it does not work for me.
One more thing about the media...
Obviously I am not savvy about the news media. Personally, I prefer watching The Daily Show with John Stewart and The Colbert Report. I find it so much more pleasing to watch and I prefer to laugh than hear about people dying left and right. I find almost every station out there to portray something or other, mostly crap. I watch CNN the most because its news, 24-7, but thats it.
Here's an interesting tidbit from the same friend as before:
"If you were to travel anywhere outside of the US, once a foriner from the respective country you are in hears that you are American, that's it--Prepared to have your ear chewed off an spit out, the rest of the world hates us and our media, ALL MEDIA-is too blind to tell us that."
Have a good one.
Obviously I am not savvy about the news media. Personally, I prefer watching The Daily Show with John Stewart and The Colbert Report. I find it so much more pleasing to watch and I prefer to laugh than hear about people dying left and right. I find almost every station out there to portray something or other, mostly crap. I watch CNN the most because its news, 24-7, but thats it.
Here's an interesting tidbit from the same friend as before:
"If you were to travel anywhere outside of the US, once a foriner from the respective country you are in hears that you are American, that's it--Prepared to have your ear chewed off an spit out, the rest of the world hates us and our media, ALL MEDIA-is too blind to tell us that."
Have a good one.
sQuashed
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Wrong Sean.. I travel to foreign lands a couple times a year and my ear has NEVER been chewed on.Treat people with respect and thats the way you get treated, even overseas.
jfelbab
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GSRstilez said:
Your friend just blew any credibility he may have had here. I travel internationally a lot and I have never been treated poorly by anyone who learns I am an American. In fact, I have never met anyone who has not treated me with courtesy and respect and those who have discussed politics actually professed that they liked Bush. Granted I am not traveling to the Middle East, but your friends statement does not reflect reality. I believe his bias is showing.
Spilchy
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Your friend should learn to spell "foreigner" for starters. My folks traveled to Quebec and had a wonderful time with the locals. My folks vacationed in Mexico and told of nice dinners they had with couples from other parts of the world they met. My buddy and his wife honeymooned in Paris and had a great time.
Furthermore, anti-American sentiment is clearly displayed in our media on a routine basis. I remember mass, world demonstartions against the war in Iraq on the news. I see burning flags on the Arab street all the time in the media. The world has always disapproved of our policies during times of "peace" and war. When you're the super power, you're always under the microscope. I remember in the 80's, the world went haywire over our nuclear arsenal buildup during the Reagan years.
The day we sucumb to world opinion (and the United Nations) as a measuring stick to define our nation's foreign policies, will be the day we'll live to regret.
If foreigners come here and wish to engage me in a politcal conversation, I'll be happy to chew their ear out about their nation's foreign policy.
I'll kindly remind Europeans and thank them for colonialism (that has carved up half the world leading to modern day conflicts), WW1, WW2, Facism, Communism, Nazism, the Holocaust and ethnic cleansing - AND it took the United States and all our sacrifices in men and money to save them from themselves and the world as a whole.
I love the Daily Show too. Brilliant. I know one of his writers. I'm friendly with his sister (went to school with her). I like Bill Maher's (sp?) show on HBO too.
Furthermore, anti-American sentiment is clearly displayed in our media on a routine basis. I remember mass, world demonstartions against the war in Iraq on the news. I see burning flags on the Arab street all the time in the media. The world has always disapproved of our policies during times of "peace" and war. When you're the super power, you're always under the microscope. I remember in the 80's, the world went haywire over our nuclear arsenal buildup during the Reagan years.
The day we sucumb to world opinion (and the United Nations) as a measuring stick to define our nation's foreign policies, will be the day we'll live to regret.
If foreigners come here and wish to engage me in a politcal conversation, I'll be happy to chew their ear out about their nation's foreign policy.
I'll kindly remind Europeans and thank them for colonialism (that has carved up half the world leading to modern day conflicts), WW1, WW2, Facism, Communism, Nazism, the Holocaust and ethnic cleansing - AND it took the United States and all our sacrifices in men and money to save them from themselves and the world as a whole.I love the Daily Show too. Brilliant. I know one of his writers. I'm friendly with his sister (went to school with her). I like Bill Maher's (sp?) show on HBO too.
Damn, I forgot to post the whole quote...
He lived in South Africa for about a month and experienced this. He was there to film a documentary on the culture of South Africa. If you met him, you would certainly see the respect thing. He is one of the most personable guys I know. Sorry for any confusion.
He lived in South Africa for about a month and experienced this. He was there to film a documentary on the culture of South Africa. If you met him, you would certainly see the respect thing. He is one of the most personable guys I know. Sorry for any confusion.
GSRstilez said:
Nah sean thats not true, a lot of Scottish and English still want to move to America just like they did when WW1 and WW2 was about; we hear so much about how your country is run and how things in general are cheaper and more varities of each product is/are available.
I know quite a few American's and they love it here I would not say much to you gyus apart from the fact your very patriotic just like the Scottish we love our flag and in general dislike the fact that we are called Scottish when we lose something but British when we win something.
I know that what I have said is very general and im half Scandinavian and half Sicilian so I know how my family first got treated when they came over and it was with open arms, you guys are not different.
We don't hate your media in fact we LOVE it I mean you guys have all the good cable channels lol!! :clap:
John.
Spilchy
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GSRstilez said:
Did he thank them for the authoritarian apartheid political system and its legacy? I have two friends (one whose brother lives there in Soweto) that spoke about the horrible racism unlike anyhting he's ever seen before.
Nelson Mandela and all his posturing about fostering human rights and democarcy around the globe while in office, in reality, adhered to overvaluing economic considerations instead of ethical ones in regards to dealing with nations that are anti-democratic and anti-human rights for his country's economic gain. Or, his non-interference in the brutal regimes of neighboring African dictatorships.
It was a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black.
When you're the super power, it's the easiest foreign policy to focus on. Plus, foreign governments criticisizing the US and allowing their citizens to vent against the US, serves as an effective political tool to deflect against their own corruptions. It's classic. Look at the Arab world - Protest against the government? NO WAY! Protest against the US? Go right ahead!
My point is, NO country is without a dubious foreign policy record. It's part of doing business in the real world. Its nasty.
Seth: I agree. I just wanted to clear up my quote from him before. Obviously all (probably on very few will) countries do not look down upon the US. I have traveled outside the US many times and never experienced anything of the sort. South Africa is a very different story though.
Setec Astronomy
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Spilchy said:
And it's not going to get any better with a growing world population...all that open space in the old days allowed some of these tensions to diffuse through distance...maybe that's why Bush has this moon/Mars initiative?
TortoiseAWD
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BTW, I'd like to commend everyone participating in this thread for keeping the discussion civil. Even the disagreements have been relatively polite, and resulted in an exhange of information rather than name-calling.
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Lowejackson
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Spilchy said:
In what way did the USA save the British from themselves during the two world wars and in how did we (Brits) pose a threat to the world during this period.
Spilchy
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Lowejackson said:
I don't include Britain when I say Europe
I often make that mistake and the Brits I have known often are quick to correct me. However I do include Britain in the group when I mention colonialism.
Sorry for not clarifying.
Spilchy
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Lowejackson said:
I don't include Britain when I say Europe
I often make that mistake and the Brits I have known often are quick to correct me. However I do include British Empire @ 18th century onward in the group when I mention colonialism.
Sorry for not clarifying.