Optimum vs. Menzerna Polishes
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Deanski said:
Optimum does indeed have a lab, several mixers, and they do manufacture their own products. David also *years* of experience dealing with coatings for OEM paint suppliers. I only mention it because I have toured the facility.....
imported_rydawg1
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106ff and 85rd finish out the same. 106ff is just more aggresive. OK..85rd and 106ff are the best polishes. It depends if you want cut or little to no cut. They are both winners!
I've looked at the secret decoder ring and still can't figure out what the current US version of PO85RD3.XX equates to as far as the common product name. If PO85RD is the product name, I don't see it listed on the properautocare.com website. Can someone tell us what PO85RD is and what the differences are between the different versions (3.01 and 3.02)?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Eliot Ness
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Isn't the PO85RD hard to find in the States now? I ordered both of those a couple of months back from an overseas vendor as a package deal and look forward to trying them out.rydawg said:
This thread has a lot of good info..... thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts, experiences, and insight on both (OPT and Menz.) of these lines of polish.
Deanski said:
Something wrong saying something that flat isn't true though. David does have his own manufacturing plant (I've been to it) and he is a chemical engineer with years of experience. He does formulate, test and make his own products. To suggest otherwise does a great disservice to him and his company.
mose said:
My understanding from Mike Phillips of Meguiars is that PPG also worked with Meguiars to make sure CeramiClear is correctable, and DACP using a rotary and yellow Meguiars polishing pad will do excellent correction on CeramiClear according to what he told me. That doesn't mean Meguiars will finish down as well as Menzerna but that does give another correction option.
imported_rydawg1
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I have also heard someone say that there was a newer version of the 106ff?
I'll have to go back and search when I get some time later.
I'll have to go back and search when I get some time later.
imported_rydawg1
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Yes that's what it is. Does anyone know any info on this?
BigHonu said:
The only information found on the web ::brit
Menzerna PO85RD 3.02 Intensive Polish "Shirley" 1 Litre
Deanski
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Scottwax said:
Geez, what did I say... Even IF he has a mfg facility, it's limited in nature. OK so he may have a chemical engineering background, it still limited. Good for him.:clap:
Trying to gauge Menzerna vs another polish is a bit difficult. Everyone uses different ways to obtain the level of gloss. And it is with that you just can't do a fair evaluation unless it's done in a controled environment, not out in the field.
It's like trying to get Menzerna into the majority of body shops. Everyone has been using 3M for generations. 3M has a very strong marketing and field staff that has so many seminars and training seesions it's insane. But, give a 3M user the correct corresponding Menzerna polish and they are very impressed, but just can't give up good ol 3M. Does that surprise you? It shouldn't.
A good example is the crew that did the prep work on my new Porsche. Great guys, very talented and 3M trained. I dropped off the 85RD for final finish and instructed which pad to use and speed/technique etc. As impresssed as they were, they just cannot give up 3M. As I informed them this was a straight polish, not a glaze.
I'm sure Optimum is a fine product and maybe will grow to a larger market share in the trade. But until then, I will always use Menzerna polishes on all customer cars as I know the results and abilities. I do not have the luxury of time to spend working polishes and need the same quck polishing/finishing that Meguiars did but with greater accuracy that Menzerna provides.
Regards,
Deanski
Deanski said:
You said this:
IF? I have been to his manufacturing plant. Inside. Seen the equipment. Seen all the samples he has in his lab. There is no 'IF' about it.
Limited? If by limited in that he only makes his own product there, then you are right.
Limited chemical engineering background?
Optimum Car Products
Optimum Polymer Technologies, the manufacturer of Optimum Car Care Products, was founded in Memphis, Tennessee, on July 01, 2001 by Dr. David Ghodoussi. Dr. Ghodoussi has over 12 years of experience as an Organic Chemist overseeing research and development focused in polymers and automotive paint formulations. He received his Ph.D. and Master's degrees in Polymer and Organic Chemistry from Oregon State University and an MBA from University of Memphis. He also holds Bachelor's of Science degrees in Chemical Engineering and in Chemistry from the University of California in Santa Barbara.
12 years, and that was in 2001. That would now be 18 years experience.
Sorry Dean, I respect you and your opinions but in this regard you are flat wrong.