Optimum No Rinse Wash and Shine.

shortspark said:
I don't know about No Rince, I have not tried it yet, but I have used QEW and what Scottwax implied is correct. How dirty is the vehicle being washed? From my experience with QEW, lots of problems can happen with marring, dirty towels and mits that won't come clean or release dirty, etc. But those problems only happen when my truck is too far gone for a "qucik and easy wash". If there is more than a little road grime it is time to take out the hose. Although I don't live where salt is used, I would think winter clean ups where there is sand and salt build up is just too much to ask of any QEW type product.



I have not been into this hobby very long but I have found that a QD works best when my truck is clean; a California Duster once over if it is dusty from sitting overnight; Poorboys S&W if it needs a touch up from driving on a good day or light rain and QEW if it is anything more severe than that but less than grime, mud and sand, at which time the shampoo comes out.
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I wish I could break out the hose but it would be frozen solid. there is no way to QD in the winter with the amount of crap that gets on a truck sitting outside 24/7 in my area. this was 4 days from the last time I washed it and was a lot worse than the previous time. the rear of the truck was the worst part by far. the hood and front fenders were not bad at all. my TB was not this dirty either. I do not use the local car wash at all and cringe at people using the high pressure 2 inches away from their paint and trim. if my truck gets this dirty in four days what can I do :think: as always I open to suggestions :hm
 
gmblack3a said:
If its real dirty from salt and such, maybe you can try a touchless wash first, then take it home for QEW.
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I suppose I could but have never been found of the high pressure and dirt combo on my paint. maybe a low pressure rinse would be better to get the big stuff off. I could pretreat with QEW or Opt out of a 32 oz sprayer. thought about that option but was not sure if it was a waste of time or not. what does everybody think ? to be honest the sprayer seems to get the bulk of the stuff off without any rubbing on the paint doesn't anybody think that is enough?
 
You guys in the south have to realize that our vehicles look like that for most of winter. It's disgusting, but there's nothing you can do about it. My car looks like that after a 10-minute drive on a snowy road. Throw in a couple passing semi-trucks and it looks 2X worse.



I do NOT think that Flatstick's vehicle was too dirty for QEW. Just like I do, he said he sprayed it down first to loosen up the dirt. This is key. Spraying the dirt and salt with a QEW/QD/water mixture really loosens the dirt a lot. If you spray enough of it, much of the dirt/salt will drain right off.

My car has been washed in that condition dozens of times this winter.



BTW flatstick, if at all possible, try to wash the vehicle ASAP after getting that much dirt/salt on the car. It happens when you drive in the snow, and the snow/water carries that grime with it when it gets spit out from your tires. If you wash it right away, the dirt and salt will still be held in the water droplets on your car. It's a ton easier to wash at this time rather than after it dries. If it's still wet, you can often just dump a few gallons of water over the side panels, and it will carry the majority of the dirt/salt off. Then wash it, to remove the little bit that's left over. Otherwise you'll have the hard water drying on the car.
 
White95Max said:
You guys in the south have to realize that our vehicles look like that for most of winter. It's disgusting, but there's nothing you can do about it. My car looks like that after a 10-minute drive on a snowy road. Throw in a couple passing semi-trucks and it looks 2X worse.



I do NOT think that Flatstick's vehicle was too dirty for QEW. Just like I do, he said he sprayed it down first to loosen up the dirt. This is key. Spraying the dirt and salt with a QEW/QD/water mixture really loosens the dirt a lot. If you spray enough of it, much of the dirt/salt will drain right off.

My car has been washed in that condition dozens of times this winter.



BTW flatstick, if at all possible, try to wash the vehicle ASAP after getting that much dirt/salt on the car. It happens when you drive in the snow, and the snow/water carries that grime with it when it gets spit out from your tires. If you wash it right away, the dirt and salt will still be held in the water droplets on your car. It's a ton easier to wash this way rather than after it dries. If it's still wet, you can often just dump a few gallons of water over the side panels, and it will carry the majority of the dirt/salt off. Then wash it, to remove the little bit that's left over. Otherwise you'll have the hard water drying on the car.
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White95Max



Thanks for the heads up on the water trick will have to give that a shot. glad to see I am not the only one who has a car ot truck that gets in this shape waaaaay to fast in the winter :furious: guess it is the price we pay for having the snow covered roads cleared and a little safer to drive on :think: I would not object to the southern members sending a little of that warmer weather up north :LOLOL
 
flatstick said:
You really think that would be too much to ask of QEW or Optimum no rinse?
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I guess it would depend. Here they use sand on the roads. Sand. Gritty, nasty sand. Gets all over the back of SUVs. I have to wash 2' x 2' sections of a time and refold the towels regularly if I use No Rinse or QEW to prevent marring.
 
Scottwax said:
I guess it would depend. Here they use sand on the roads. Sand. Gritty, nasty sand. Gets all over the back of SUVs. I have to wash 2' x 2' sections of a time and refold the towels regularly if I use No Rinse or QEW to prevent marring.
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Glad to see you are doing a 2x2 section as I did not even do that much at one time. I did like the fact of using a MF I could get 8 clean sides to use before going to a new MF. I will have to say the garden sprayer has my vote for removing a lot of the dirt before a MF touched my truck. have used QEW with the sprayer on my wheels and hardly had to go over them with my wheel mitt :2thumbs: I am still dying to know if the marks on the TB were drying streaks as you think they may be :nixweiss will have to take a peek at it tomorrow after work. have to say the AJ looks really good on the front fenders of the black Jimmy. I like how it seems to sheet the water a little better then Zaino * did I just say that ? * :nervous:
 
This area of Wisconsin is known as the "Central Sands Region". The soil is young (geologically) and composed mostly of sand. The cities spread sand along with the salt in winter, and to make it worse, the shoulders of the roads are sand mixed with gravel. The roads in my neighborhood have sand on them all year round, because of all the people that like to cut across the corner of the shoulder when turning. :mad:

If I see sand on my car before washing it, I ALWAYS dump some water down the panels before washing. It shoves the sand right off. But it's pretty common to see a few sand particles under my Grit Guard when I empty my rinse bucket, even after clearing the sand off beforehand.
 
White95Max said:
This area of Wisconsin is known as the "Central Sands Region". The soil is young (geologically) and composed mostly of sand. The cities spread sand along with the salt in winter, and to make it worse, the shoulders of the roads are sand mixed with gravel. The roads in my neighborhood have sand on them all year round, because of all the people that like to cut across the corner of the shoulder when turning. :mad:

If I see sand on my car before washing it, I ALWAYS dump some water down the panels before washing. It shoves the sand right off. But it's pretty common to see a few sand particles under my Grit Guard when I empty my rinse bucket, even after clearing the sand off beforehand.
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Wow I hate when that happens. most people in my area like to tailgate everybody. wonder why wheir hood has so many chips in it :cool: Suppose I am lucky that I have trucks that are suppose to look like crap, at least that is what everybody seems to think :rofl I must be the only Autopian trucker ? in my area.
 
Yeah, tailgating only makes your car dirtier from the dust/spray of the vehicle in front of you. And stone chips are certainly more common. Not to mention your reduced vision of the road ahead, and decreased time to react to something in the road.



I've still yet to understand why people make a habit of tailgating. It has no effect on my driving when someone gets on my a**.
 
White95Max said:
Yeah, tailgating only makes your car dirtier from the dust/spray of the vehicle in front of you. And stone chips are certainly more common. Not to mention your reduced vision of the road ahead, and decreased time to react to something in the road.



I've still yet to understand why people make a habit of tailgating. It has no effect on my driving when someone gets on my a**.
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Tailgating just makes my drive slower :laugh: my friends are in the habit of a little brake check. me I do not need some jerk rearending me. how if the weather in your neck of the woods today? balmy 50 and partly sunny today. man if I was not at work :buffing:
 
White95Max said:
Ugh. Currently 27*F and slushy roads. There's a half-silver/half-brown Protege in the parking lot. :(
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Wow that sucks, we are going to get some rain tonight than it is suppose to be in the low 40's the rest of the week. key word being suppose to be :D
 
flatstick said:
I wish I could break out the hose but it would be frozen solid. there is no way to QD in the winter with the amount of crap that gets on a truck sitting outside 24/7 in my area. this was 4 days from the last time I washed it and was a lot worse than the previous time. the rear of the truck was the worst part by far. the hood and front fenders were not bad at all. my TB was not this dirty either. I do not use the local car wash at all and cringe at people using the high pressure 2 inches away from their paint and trim. if my truck gets this dirty in four days what can I do :think: as always I open to suggestions :hm
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flatstick,



I am so glad being in s. California and not to deal with snow and salt...etc. Never push QEW or No Rainse to wash the condition of similar car. In my opinion, even though traditional hose and wash cannot avoid in that situtation.



Don't put any pressure on the wash mitts. Just let it glid with enough water.



Update....I washed BMW 650i last night, No Rainse 1oz to 1.5 gallon water. Wash mitt glid smoother than QEW 1oz to 1 gallon water.
 
opass said:
flatstick,



I am so glad being in s. California and not to deal with snow and salt...etc. Never push QEW or No Rainse to wash the condition of similar car. In my opinion, even though traditional hose and wash cannot avoid in that situtation.



Don't put any pressure on the wash mitts. Just let it glid with enough water.



Update....I washed BMW 650i last night, No Rainse 1oz to 1.5 gallon water. Wash mitt glid smoother than QEW 1oz to 1 gallon water.
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Wish I lived in Ca as well. even when my truck is dirty I pretreat with QEW or No rinse solution with my garden sprayer. you would be suprised how much stuff it removes without laying a finger on the truck. :xyxthumbs when I am using my MF or mitt on the paint it is very gently done, no pressure is needed.
 
THECLEANER said:
flatstick, what kind of garden sprayer do use to pretreat?
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Here is a link to the website of the sprayer I use. it is the exact one shown on the homepage ( the largest pic ) . what I like is the variable tip, you can adjust the spray pattern from wide to narrow for a little more pressure. I picked mine up at Lowe's for around $10. :bounce





http://www.chapinmfg.com/
 
Anyone using this in the dilution ratio for a QD yet? If my judgement is correct, this is going to be great S&W replacement.
 
Bill D said:
Anyone using this in the dilution ratio for a QD yet? If my judgement is correct, this is going to be great S&W replacement.
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Thats is what I would like to know . as you can see I have been dealing with some nasty road grime as of late :wavey
 
This is the first thing I did with the beta samples Dave sent Ron and I....mixed it up as a QD.



6 to 8 ounces per gallon is all you'll need for a basic QD. Add more if you like. I am finding it works nice on glass also.



Anthony
 
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