Okay, my only complaint about NXT is...

tony_passat

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the smell. Most Meguiar's products smell nice, and I was expecting NXT to follow suit. But no. To me, this stuff smells like mosquito repellent. It had me thinking about "camping" the whole time I was working on my wife's car.



Okay, now with the positives. This stuff absolutely ROCKS! Finally got a chance to use it on my wife's black '03 MDX, and man was I impressed! Applying it feels pretty much like any other synthetic - I used the purple pad. I think maybe a little spritz of QD may help it spread. I did the whole truck before removing - and removing it was a breeze. I used a couple of 16x16 microfibers for the whole car, and guess what - hardly any white residue, no powder, no streaks. Just a super clear, SLICK, shine! I would say it rivals Klasse in shine, beats it in slickness, and gets you there in just one coat! What more can you ask for?



It raining out here in CA now, so I'll get to observe the durability in the coming weeks. If this stuff proves to be as durable as it claims (and for me, this needs to be around 2-3 months time), I'm hooked.



Thanks Mike for hooking us up with a great new product at a great price.:up



Tony
 
Thanks for the info, Tony.



Now for some questions:



1) Did you use the NXT car wash or QD?

2) Did you find that the QD was *essential* after removal? I know that "some other" sealants look great after removing ONLY after QD'ing it.



Thanks, and post some pics!

Troy
 
Troy,

To answer your questions.



1) No, I used Gold Class car wash, and Final Inspection for QD. I only ordered the Tech wax.



2) No, QD is not essential after removal. In fact, I only used a little during application. Nothing upon removal. It looked great right after wiping off! I must re-emphasize how slick the finish is without ANY QD.



Another thing I should note is that the finish looks "deeper" than Klasse (without a carnuba topper). Maybe not quite like a carnuba alone, but certainly great depth for a synthetic.



Sorry about the lack of pics. I'll post sometime later after I do my Silverstone Grey Passat.



Tony
 
rjstaaf said:
NXT QD???? The NXT Spray Wax is NOT a Quick Detail product. If you read the directions on it you apply it just like NXT Tech Wax in that you spray it on, spread it with an applicator or towel, let it haze and then wipe it off. The only difference being you spray it on instead of pour it on. It is meant to be applied to a clean dust free surface. It is a booster to add additional protection when needed.



I have been using it like a QD and it seems to work just fine. Spray one panel... wipe with mf towel... flip for final buff. Excellent results. I think Meguiar's is not putting enough emphasis on NXT Spray Wax. One of the best products I've ever used for restoring gloss after washing (regardless of the wax you use) or applying a quick shine to a car that needs wax.



db
 
capsfan13 said:
Thanks for the info, Tony.



Now for some questions:



1) Did you use the NXT car wash or QD?

2) Did you find that the QD was *essential* after removal? I know that "some other" sealants look great after removing ONLY after QD'ing it.



Thanks, and post some pics!

Troy



You don't want to think of the NXT Spray Wax as a Quick Detailer. It is not used for that purpose. It is basically a spray on version of the Tech Wax. You spray it on, rub it in with an applicator, wait for it to haze and then wipe it off. It is a booster to add additional protection when needed.
 
DavidB said:
I have been using it like a QD and it seems to work just fine. Spray one panel... wipe with mf towel... flip for final buff. Excellent results. I think Meguiar's is not putting enough emphasis on NXT Spray Wax. One of the best products I've ever used for restoring gloss after washing (regardless of the wax you use) or applying a quick shine to a car that needs wax.



db



I have done that as well. It is also really nice to use as a wash and wax as you dry type product. What I was trying to point out though is that it should only be applied to a clean surface. I know people tend to use QD products to clean dust and waters spots and other minor stuff from their paint. I wouldn't think you would want to do that with the NXT Spray Wax.
 
Quote (from showcargarage): Originally posted by Rockpick

I always viewed it as an 'in-between step' to add a slight amount of protection and a little more 'pop' before you could get to your next application of a good carnauba.

The above is a good summary. Meguiar's spray waxes, Quik Wax and NXT Spray Wax are meant to be used as booster wax to the wax you have already applied. The turn the surface darker, slicker, and more clear than a quick detailer can do by itself.

With the introduction of NXT Spray Wax, I've taken note of new technologies and a slightly different approach and paradigm on use of this product. It seems that this product is made to actually compliment the NXT wax...

They are chemically compatible, and do compliment each other very nicely.

I'm interested in hearing your opinions.... How are you using it? Is this product replacing your detailer spray?

Just a note here, NXT Spray Wax, and Meguiar's Quik Wax are not replacements for quick detailers like Quik Detailer, or Final Inspection. Both of these two spray waxes are intended to be used on surfaces that are clean and free of accumulated dirt or dust.



Only use NXT Spray Wax on a clean car, or after first washing, or wiping down with a quick detailer.







~Hope this helps~



Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
 
tony_passat said:
I think maybe a little spritz of QD may help it spread.

Tony



When a spritz of QD is added to the mix at the start to help it spread ( I assume till the applicator pad gets enough saturation) isn't there concern that something foreign is being added to the mix and maybe altering the capabilities of the sealant to cure uniformly? Afterall in essence aren't chemicals being added to the NXT?



Sorry just my logical little mind at it again.
 
DavidB said:
I have been using it like a QD and it seems to work just fine. Spray one panel... wipe with mf towel... flip for final buff. Excellent results. I think Meguiar's is not putting enough emphasis on NXT Spray Wax. One of the best products I've ever used for restoring gloss after washing (regardless of the wax you use) or applying a quick shine to a car that needs wax.



db



David,



When I used it as a QD on my single stage paint it removed pigment. For this reason I would not recommend using it as a QD.



I truly don't understand "spray wax". If you have to spray it on, then spread it around with an applicator and let it haze, then why not simply wax the car? If it's supposed to be a "booster product", then why is it removing pigment? Meg's Quik Wax did the same thing, btw, as did S100 Quick Wax, Stoner's Speed Bead and Bead Max (the last three true aerosol products). Wax as You Dry, OK; it saves a step. Otherwise, I see no economy, of either $$ or time, in these products.





Just my opinion, of course, YMMV. (And I suppose it does, doesn't it?)



Tom
 
tony_passat said:
the smell. Most Meguiar's products smell nice, and I was expecting NXT to follow suit. But no. To me, this stuff smells like mosquito repellent. It had me thinking about "camping" the whole time I was working on my wife's car.



Can't win them all.... I actually like the smell. One of our chemists came up with the scent. The tested over 500 scents, (I think), before whittling it down to this one. Personally, I like it. I like when I have the garage doors down and after applying to the entire car the whole garage smells like Key Lime Pie and Jujubes.



Okay, now with the positives. This stuff absolutely ROCKS! Finally got a chance to use it on my wife's black '03 MDX, and man was I impressed! Applying it feels pretty much like any other synthetic - I used the purple pad. I think maybe a little spritz of QD may help it spread. I did the whole truck before removing - and removing it was a breeze. I used a couple of 16x16 microfibers for the whole car, and guess what - hardly any white residue, no powder, no streaks. Just a super clear, SLICK, shine! I would say it rivals Klasse in shine, beats it in slickness, and gets you there in just one coat! What more can you ask for?

This is what I discovered after about Lab Sample C. (LSA and LSB were close, but more tweaking was needed). I've used my share of waxes in my life and for me, this new product gave me results with just one coat that pretty much blows everything else away.



Best results like any wax, paint protectant, (or polish if your using that word to describe a protection product), is after first doing your best prep-work. That said, for me, I found NXT Tech Wax leaves an incredibly slick, high gloss, "optically clear" finish and depending on your prep work, dramatically reduces cobweb-effect, with just one application.



Best results will come with two applications, with the second application 24 hours later if possible. Also, don't get this product wet during this period of time while the polymers are setting up for best, longest lasting results. (even with a QD).



It raining out here in CA now, so I'll get to observe the durability in the coming weeks. If this stuff proves to be as durable as it claims (and for me, this needs to be around 2-3 months time), I'm hooked.



If you really want to test the durability, try to apply a second coat after 24 hours and if at all possible, don't drive the car in the rain or get it wet until a second 24 hour period passes. This is optimum, but do what you can.



Durability is hard to measure, that's why the ASTM, (http://www.astm.org), has no official tests for measuring durability and protection of car waxes.



(By the way, durability and protection are two different things, just because something is durable doesn’t mean it is actually protecting the finish).





Thanks Mike for hooking us up with a great new product at a great price.:up



Tony

Your welcome! (I think, I hope?)



I know some people have been positioning all of the chitter chatter on discussion forums over NXT Tech Wax as marketing hype, I choose to refer to it as my excitement over a new product. I truly am excited over this new wax. It works great at making your car's finish look it's best, especially under bright lights like direct sunlight or artificial lights, at least better than everything else I have tested personally and I’ve tested a bunch.



It's easy to get a photo of a car with a wax on it to look good in the garage, or as the sun is setting, but most of the pictures I have posted have been with the sun directly beating down on the finish, (anyone notice that?). That’s the proof in the pudding as one of my old friends use to say.



Marketing hype or Excitement, you say Tomato, I say Tomato, etc... I guess it has to do with your perspective. But judging from most of the posts on the net on NXT results, it would appear most people’s posts sound like they are excited about the results, just like I am.



I think bretfraz summed it up very well when he posted this,



Its not just Mike reputation on the line its Meguiar's too. It wasn't that long ago when many at Autopia and other detailing forums were very down on Meguiar's, especially after the intro of Gold Class which ended up a big disappointment with enthusiasts. I see NXT as the product GC should have been all along. I have to give Meguiar's credit for listening to enthusiasts who wanted a product that was slicker, beaded water, and offered a deep rich shine. The last product I can think of that had any appeal to enthusiasts was Medallion and that ended up a flop due to its high price and finicky performance. IIRC that product came out in 1991 or 92.



While I've found all the hype very troubling for many reasons, I hope everyone interested in NXT goes out and buys a bottle and takes it for a spin. Then when the hype finally dies down we all can examine the product carefully and methodically. Time will definitely tell whether this stuff is worth a rip or not.

You can read it in context here,

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30858&perpage=18&pagenumber=5



And the thread starts here by Pro Touch, (the winner of the Ebay auction, who will be here at Meguiar's next week to attend our Professional Training Class).

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30858&perpage=18&pagenumber=1



Check out some of the direct sunlight pictures I posted on pages 1,2, and 3.



By the way, Gold Class Liquid Wax is the number one selling wax in America according to P.O.P. sales,



* Gold Class Liquid Wax is #1 selling wax since 2001

* Gold Class Paste Wax is #1 in 2003



So while some of the more ardent serious enthusiasts among us here on the forums may prefer other waxes, among the larger collective body of auto enthusiasts, Gold Class is very popular. While it may not bead water very well, (It's not formulated to do that), it does turn medium to dark colored finishes very dark and reflective. Something I think most people want out of their car's finish from a beauty point of view. And, if you apply thin coats, it wipes of very easy, something that I think holds true for all waxes.



(Can anyone name a wax that wipes off easy if you apply a thick coat?)



So I guess time will tell all, (as it should) :xyxthumbs



That all said, nice picture Tony and I'm glad you like the results.



Mike
 
Mosca said:
David,



When I used it as a QD on my single stage paint it removed pigment. For this reason I would not recommend using it as a QD



Hi Tom,



Interesting observation. The only thing I can add to this is when I buffed out the red Miata for a Miata Detail day at www.autorecon.com last summer, I noticed the single-stage red paint to be very soft and to easily give up itself when working on it with just about anything. :nixweiss



I truly don't understand "spray wax". If you have to spray it on, then spread it around with an applicator and let it haze, then why not simply wax the car? If it's supposed to be a "booster product", then why is it removing pigment? Meg's Quik Wax did the same thing, btw, as did S100 Quick Wax, Stoner's Speed Bead and Bead Max (the last three true aerosol products). Wax as You Dry, OK; it saves a step. Otherwise, I see no economy, of either $$ or time, in these products.
Just to chime in...



For me personally, I can go over an entire car that I have already detailed with both Quik Wax and NXT Spray Wax faster than if I apply a real coat of wax.



Because I know it's already in good to excellent shape, I'm trying less to work the wax in, (which you can't really do with a spray on wax as compared to a normal coat of wax), and trying more to just coat over the entire surface quickly, like a quick detailer.



Here's what I do notice, at a majority of the car shows I have worked at in my life, (which is a lot), in the morning as cars arrive and set up, when I walk around I see a majority of the people, (as high as I'll guess 80% +), using Meguiar's Quik Detailer to quickly spruce-up their car for display.



If these same people could see how much darker, glossier and more clear, an application of a quality spray wax will create, after quick detailing, I think a lot of these people would see this as a no-brainer and include a spray wax in their regimen.



They are their to show-off there car?



Just my opinion, of course, YMMV. (And I suppose it does, doesn't it?)



Tom



I think for Autopians, spray waxes will be a highly personal preference.



Mike
 
Just put my second coat on and love it so far. Not sure I like Megs. instructions not to get the car wet before 2nd coat. This is near impossible for anybody without a garage. I would not attempt to wax my car here in SOFLA without washing even if I didn't drive it. Way to much fall out. I wasn't even done 10 minutes yesterday and I could not believe what I think was pollen all over my fresh wax. AArrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!! It had just rained for 3 day solid so I thought I was a little safe from the dust, NOT!
 
I picked up a bottle of NXT Tech Wax today. I have a question about application. The bottle doesn't indicate that it can be applied with a machine. Has anyone applied it with a PC or Cyclo Polisher? If so were the results any better?
 
Hey Mike,



I have had a chance to use NXT and the spray wax for about 2-3 weeks now. So far I have only been using it on our titanium silver metallic Bimmers and so far it is has been a joy to use. I seems to leave a "Souveran like" appearance with much less dust attraction. But, up until yesterday, I never have had a chance to try it on jet black paint.



One of my clients invited me over for SuperBowl Sunday and I knew that he had a birthday coming up. When I ordered my NXT, I got and extra bottle of the Tech Wax and the Spray Wax and gave it to him for an early birthday present. His car is a 2003 jet black Corvette Z06 in very good condition. Before I got to his house he had already done a QEW wash and the paint looked very shiny. We did not have time to do any polishing because other guests were ariving in 30 min. We applied one coat of NXT Tech Wax by hand and proceded to dress his tires. After about 15 min, we removed the Tech Wax. I don't know what I thought the finish would look like but my client and I both were amazed at the out come of the finish. The jet black Z06 looked like the whole car was dipped in salad oil and was very reflective. The paint look like it got 1-2 shades darker after just one coat. Just think, if a jet black car can look this good with no prep, Tech Wax must be some pretty good stuff! :xyxthumbs



I did not take any pics, :nixweiss , as I did not have my camera with me. I will try to take some pics this upcomming weekend after we get a chance to apply a second coat of NXT.



NXT on black is a very good thing! :bow



Cheers,
 
jlfrogy said:
Just put my second coat on and love it so far. Not sure I like Megs. instructions not to get the car wet before 2nd coat.



That's just for optimum results, but it also applies to almost any companies wax. The idea is you want the polymers to fully set-up to get the maximum benefit from their strength.



I lived in Oregon for most of my life... it rains in the summer! So I know what you mean.



Mike
 
foris2 said:
I picked up a bottle of NXT Tech Wax today. I have a question about application. The bottle doesn't indicate that it can be applied with a machine. Has anyone applied it with a PC or Cyclo Polisher? If so were the results any better?



Definitely apply with a clean foam polishing pad on a PC if you are able to. Results are outstanding. I really like Meguiar’s new microfiber polishing bonnets for removal, they seem to really up the gloss.



I’m not sure when they become available, but soon hopefully.



I have not used it with the Cyclo Polisher, perhaps someone else can chime in on that tool.



Mike
 
Hey Mike, I guess this is as good a place to ask you as any, can the NXT be used over a rich polich like GEPC without degredation of the durability?



Looking forward to trying it! C'mon spring....oh spriiiiing....
 
AMP-I know what you mean by the 'dipped in salad oil' comment. I did a polish/wax on a black Toyota Sequoia today and that is a pretty accurate discription of how it looked to me. I took pics of it in the sun and even that didn't diminish the appearance of depth.



I think this close up an Expidition I detailed last week shows that look too:



10992000_Ford_Expidition_closeup.jpg






BTW, I like the smell and so do all my customers who've taken a whiff.
 
I did 2 coats of NXT, and loved it. Then I decided to put a coat of Souveran over that, because I have always loved the silky glow of Souveran. The pics are in the Click & Brag.



As I used the Souv, I could see the wax actually lightening the color, and the effect was not the subtle one of, "Do I see it, or don't I?" I continued anyhow, because Souv takes overnight to be at its best.



A couple days later, yesterday morning, I redid the whole car with NXT again. IMO it looks BETTER without the carnauba topper. I'll post the new pics tonight after I get home. My opinoin is that the difference is not subtle.





Tom
 
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