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NXT, Hype Or Just Perspective?
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SergC
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Intermezzo said:
Couldn't say it any better,Tony:up ...and I still use it on my Porsches
Regards,
Serg
imported_The Uncle
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FlyNavy said:
Yeah, you got your NXT with no shipping costs - but that offer isn't available now and it still is not an over-the-counter product.
I'm no expert, but I've been using Klasse and have found it far surpasses everything I've used in the past, at least in terms of durability. I've had it on for a few months now, and it looks as good as it did the first day I put it on. We can only hope that NXT works that well. If it does, great. But, in the meantime, Klasse SG has earned some hype, and NXT has not.
Also, I seriously doubt that NXT is a lot easier to use than SG. If you use BillNorth's method, which does work quite well, SG couldn't be easier to apply.
I'm not trying to be critical of NXT, but I think you are being fairly unfair to Klasse here (which is a really nice product).
tom p.
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The Uncle said:
I run Klasse on one of the daily drivers. I lay the stuff down in the fall and typically won't touch it again until April or whenever it warms up. I have yet to see anything that is even close in comparison AND the paint just looks excellent. I'll go: :up :up :up
I have done a few panels on another of the daily drivers, around Thanksgiving time, with Steve's Poorboy products. So far, it looks great and is the best product I've tried so far on that car.
imported_The Uncle
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I would help a lot if we had Advance Auto Parts in Los Angeles!
Anyway, hopefully it will turn up soon. I'm looking forward to trying it.
BTW, CMA has a no shipping costs promotion running right now. they just don't carry NXT.
Anyway, hopefully it will turn up soon. I'm looking forward to trying it.
BTW, CMA has a no shipping costs promotion running right now. they just don't carry NXT.
tkr128
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The Uncle said:
Interesting, I found it locally at Wal-Mart. I was at the Industry/Hacienda store yesterday and they had the whole line. So, it IS available OTC.
imported_The Uncle
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There are fairly consistent reports at this site that Wal-mart and Advance Auto Part are already stocking NXT. Of course, there aren't many Wal-Marts in the immediate LA area.
The Uncle said:
I don't think NXT is as easy to remove as it was said to be. Maybe because we aren't getting out of the 40s and have lots of humidity that it needs to dry longer than 10-15 minutes, I don't know. I put it on very thin and it still doesn't seem completely dry after 10-15 minutes and I can feel some resistance when removing it and have noticed some light streaking. Today, I waited 20-25 minutes and it wiped off a lot easier so maybe it is the weather conditions. :nixweiss
It isn't hard to use, just not as super easy as I thought it would be. After 3 weeks on some of the vehicles I've used NXT on, they all still feel slick and bead very nicely. Appearance seems to be the same.
Even in cold weather, SG is a piece of cake to use if you wipe on, wipe off. I also know that the two black vehicles I used AIO/SG on both feel real slick still, even after 6-8 weeks since initial application. I haven't noticed an degradation of appearance either. I hope after that length of time, the NXTed vehicles have similar results.
imported_The Uncle
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I guess the main message is to stay open-minded. Heck, I would never have tried Klasse (and I certainly would not have used it correctly) if not for the many helpful posts on this site. So, I'm personally going to sit back and read what you guys have to say, and then I'll give it a try when it becomes widely available.
imported_Intermezzo
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Scottwax said:
When applying, the product feels similar to Platinum. It spreads VERY easily.....but dries much faster. Even so, I still noticed some very light streaking like you did with a 15 minute wait time. I'll try to let it dry longer next time also.
One of the main advantages of NXT, from what I've read, is something I don't see mentioned often. Namely, that it can be applied over a glaze, or over even a carnauba. I know that neither Klasse or Zaino can be successfully applied over these. If this is the case, I think this gives NXT a significant niche, namely protection without "prescribed only" preparation. Are there _any_ other good sealants which can do this?
Jeff Laughhunn
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imported_ajbarnes
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Jeff Laughhunn said:
:hm......good point. I don't know of any other sealants that can be a topper, but maybe there is. Anyone else know?:nixweiss
imported_BretFraz
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Jeff Laughhunn said:
I think some of that talk is hype-generated. I mean, the product isn't even available nationwide yet but we have people making statements that it works just like well established products. I wouldn't put much stock into any of that talk until more people use it and compare it.
Keep in mind that for Zaino to bond properly it must be applied to a clean surface. No clean surface, no bonding. NXT isn't rewriting chemistry here. No sealant is gonna bond to an oily surface. Can't be done.
"Keep in mind that for Zaino to bond properly it must be applied to a clean surface. No clean surface, no bonding. NXT isn't rewriting chemistry here. No sealant is gonna bond to an oily surface. Can't be done."
That's exactly my point.
It seems that many persons, whose experience of car-perfection I could only hope to attain, are doing _precisely_ this layering. On the other hand, I've not read anyone having good success putting SG, Zaino, or other sealant over these layers, successfully. If you could point me to the thread where this is the case, I'll gladly peruse.
Thanks,
Jeff Laughhunn
That's exactly my point.
It seems that many persons, whose experience of car-perfection I could only hope to attain, are doing _precisely_ this layering. On the other hand, I've not read anyone having good success putting SG, Zaino, or other sealant over these layers, successfully. If you could point me to the thread where this is the case, I'll gladly peruse.
Thanks,
Jeff Laughhunn
imported_memnuts
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bretfraz said:
I must respectfully counter. :bow
Polymer sealant products do not "bond" to a vehicle's surface. That is hype or misconception of its actual physical interaction with a vehicle finish. There is "adhersion" , sap-like, not "bonding" situation taking place. I must use the word "situation" because "reaction" implies 2 entities interacting. The paint is inert and the sealant is also. So technically there is no NXT re-writing of physical chemistry involved here. Zaino may not adhere to perfectly clean (oil-free) surface but probably does remain in place with less efficiency on a not so perfectly clean surface.
If you would like to point out that the possiblity that Zaino and products like NXT polymer sealants having difficulty cross-linking with each other, that again can only be hypothesized.
Remember that a painted surface is not a perfectly level surface. Microscopically the surface is composed of peaks,plateaus and valley. An oil containing substances can exist filling only the valleys and still allow the exposure of the peaks and plateaus that are oil-free - points of adhersion. The adhersion may take place on these peaks and the crosslinking occur between the polymer components forming a latix that not only attaches itself to the finish but at the same time entrapping the oily material against the finish.
What I am pointing out here is that some of the doctrine about what is happening is far beyond black-and-white statements and should not be placed out there as gospel. I guess if one repeats something enough times, it must transform itself into the truth? :nixweiss
NXT has been tried by many owners in Los Angeles with great results. Don't know about you colder climate areas. In terms of allure, I would love to try Klasse and Klasse with Pinnacle as many of you veterans use, but the price is almost prohibitive for me for now and so I live vicariously through all you detailing vets. NXT has worked well for my vehicle after 4 coats over clean surface. It shines better than anything off the shelf that I have ever used before. But since I am looking for durability, as well, Klasse AIO/SG and Klasse AIO/Souveran are the combinations that I dream of trying, as well. Happy detailing, I am stuck with this $13.25 bottle from Walmart for now and I am very impressed by it, except for the "rice burner" looking bottle. 
imported_memnuts
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Wang,
I got almost every boutique product out there. I also have NXT. I am very impressed with this product. Do not feel slighted. Look at ScottWax examples of AIO (~$17). With that, NXT, and beautiful Cali weather, you should have all you need for looks and durability.
Concentrate on PREP. Not boutique products
Welcome to Autopia !!:wavey
I got almost every boutique product out there. I also have NXT. I am very impressed with this product. Do not feel slighted. Look at ScottWax examples of AIO (~$17). With that, NXT, and beautiful Cali weather, you should have all you need for looks and durability.
Concentrate on PREP. Not boutique products
Welcome to Autopia !!:wavey
Steve @ Guru
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While I can't speak for bret's original intention, I believe he was trying point out that a true synthetic can't adhere to an oily surface without first having some type of "activation" phase enacted.
Activation can come in many forms - with Zaino, it's the ZFX catalyst. With Klasse SG, it's the AIO (which chemically cleans and abrades (albeit very fine) to promote adhesion), and with NXT, I have to believe the solvents and Kaolin (we'll argue about its purpose later) that help prep the surface for it to adhere properly.
Now, that said, layering becomes sort of a moot point when you introduce solvents and/or abrasives with each successive layer, right? I mean, SG and Zaino layer just fine, but they're also pretty finicky about the surface to which they're being applied. Got a little oil on the surface? That's fine, but durability might be affected accordingly.
NXT, on the otherhand, has demonstrated that it does have some cleaning ability (I posted pictures over at showcargarage), and others have confirmed its cleaning abilities. This would make me question how efficiently it can be layered, and it also helps me understand why NXT can be applied directly over something like SFP or #7 without any apparent issues.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it definitely doesn't help put NXT in the same class as a Klasse SG or Zaino, neither of which appear to have any cleaning ability on their own.
Activation can come in many forms - with Zaino, it's the ZFX catalyst. With Klasse SG, it's the AIO (which chemically cleans and abrades (albeit very fine) to promote adhesion), and with NXT, I have to believe the solvents and Kaolin (we'll argue about its purpose later) that help prep the surface for it to adhere properly.
Now, that said, layering becomes sort of a moot point when you introduce solvents and/or abrasives with each successive layer, right? I mean, SG and Zaino layer just fine, but they're also pretty finicky about the surface to which they're being applied. Got a little oil on the surface? That's fine, but durability might be affected accordingly.
NXT, on the otherhand, has demonstrated that it does have some cleaning ability (I posted pictures over at showcargarage), and others have confirmed its cleaning abilities. This would make me question how efficiently it can be layered, and it also helps me understand why NXT can be applied directly over something like SFP or #7 without any apparent issues.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it definitely doesn't help put NXT in the same class as a Klasse SG or Zaino, neither of which appear to have any cleaning ability on their own.