Jcrawford
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"Bathtubber" products...what's that mean???
NXT, Hype Or Just Perspective?
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Corey Bit Spank
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If somebody actually read my review they would find out that I don't think it's a terrible product.
I have one car, I'm 17, and quite frankly I think leaving a car garaged for the better part of the year is a waste of money. So please excuse that I used the product the way the manufacturer intended and not the way somebody that has time and resources available to do a perfect job with it.
Maybe I'm just a bit irritable today.
I have one car, I'm 17, and quite frankly I think leaving a car garaged for the better part of the year is a waste of money. So please excuse that I used the product the way the manufacturer intended and not the way somebody that has time and resources available to do a perfect job with it.
Maybe I'm just a bit irritable today.
Understand, I'm saying this both seriously and with a sense of humor. Here's some food for thought:
Hey, it's fifteen bucks.
Is this real, or is it just (well needed and corrective) backlash?
In the end, is it beneficial to have high quality products avalilable locally at low prices?
In the end, the car either shines, or it doesn't shine, is the answer. Where the products come from, and who makes them, is irrelevant to someone whose only horse in the race is the appearance of their car. Therefore low price and local availability are both to the good.
If a neighbor were to ask you what wax they should get on their next trip to KMart, which would you pick, from Meg's Cleaner, GC, TW, NuFinish, and NXT?
FOR ME, one thing this discussion has done is make me interested in UPP. But the other 99.9999% of car owners probably won't be interested in ordering a boutique product over the internet, especially if they plan on doing the job later this afternoon.
AND, it would absolutely THRILL me to see Eagle One and Turtle Wax come out with products that equal or better NXT. There is absolutely no reason for high caliber products to be only available to the hoi polloi and cognoscenti, from small independents over the internet.
The sooner the tyranny and mystique of limited availability equalling quality is broken the better, I say. Then we can get back to THE TRUTH:
It's not product, it's process.
Tom
Hey, it's fifteen bucks.
Is this real, or is it just (well needed and corrective) backlash?
In the end, is it beneficial to have high quality products avalilable locally at low prices?
In the end, the car either shines, or it doesn't shine, is the answer. Where the products come from, and who makes them, is irrelevant to someone whose only horse in the race is the appearance of their car. Therefore low price and local availability are both to the good.
If a neighbor were to ask you what wax they should get on their next trip to KMart, which would you pick, from Meg's Cleaner, GC, TW, NuFinish, and NXT?
FOR ME, one thing this discussion has done is make me interested in UPP. But the other 99.9999% of car owners probably won't be interested in ordering a boutique product over the internet, especially if they plan on doing the job later this afternoon.
AND, it would absolutely THRILL me to see Eagle One and Turtle Wax come out with products that equal or better NXT. There is absolutely no reason for high caliber products to be only available to the hoi polloi and cognoscenti, from small independents over the internet.
The sooner the tyranny and mystique of limited availability equalling quality is broken the better, I say. Then we can get back to THE TRUTH:
It's not product, it's process.
Tom
Corey Bit Spank
Active member
Mosca said:
You just gave me a idea. I'm going to put eagle one cleaner wax, NXT, and blackfire back to back. I'm evil.
NozeBleedSpeed
Right Wing Conservative
newagain said:
I want to thank you for that finite explanation. Your theory on the importance of surface preparation is truly groundbreaking.
newagain said:
And your completely incoherent point is...?
newagain said:
Does your train of thought have a caboose?
newagain, I'm quite confident that there is a condescending tone to your subtle insults. Next attempt at schooling me, maybe you should refer to the teachers edition. It has all of the answers highlighted for you.
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
You know...
I don't even know where to jump in here except to say that NXT Tech Wax has worked perfectly for everything I have ever applied it too including a dozen or so Mercedes-Benzs yesterday.
Tell you what NoseBleedSpeed, if you're not getting the reslult you expected from the NXT Tech Wax, PM me your mailing address and I'll send you $15.00 out of my own pocket...
Mike
I don't even know where to jump in here except to say that NXT Tech Wax has worked perfectly for everything I have ever applied it too including a dozen or so Mercedes-Benzs yesterday.
Tell you what NoseBleedSpeed, if you're not getting the reslult you expected from the NXT Tech Wax, PM me your mailing address and I'll send you $15.00 out of my own pocket...
Mike
It is the slickest, most reflective, deepest, easiest to apply sealant I have ever used off the shelf. It layers well and makes a great standalone final coat.
Meguiar's really forged ahead with this product, IMO. Just would like it to be packaged in a more professional bottle- the neighborhood kids think I am a Fast and the Furious wannabe even though I drive an A8L.
Meguiar's really forged ahead with this product, IMO. Just would like it to be packaged in a more professional bottle- the neighborhood kids think I am a Fast and the Furious wannabe even though I drive an A8L.
NozeBleedSpeed
Right Wing Conservative
Mike, I'm insulted that you would even think that 15 bucks is of any issue to me. Offering to personally reimburse me indicates that you feel personally responsible for NXT. I think everyone knows that you didnt engineer NXT. Youre only reporting your personal opinion of it, as I am. No one holds you responsible. In fact I defended your opinions in the start of this very thread.
This forum is for the exchange of product discussion. If we all loved every product that was released, there would be no point in this forum to discuss our different opinions about them. You cant have 10 new threads a day about a single product and not have those that are more critical of it.
This forum is for the exchange of product discussion. If we all loved every product that was released, there would be no point in this forum to discuss our different opinions about them. You cant have 10 new threads a day about a single product and not have those that are more critical of it.
NozeBleedSpeed said:
That's what I think IS revolutionary; putting an Autopian product on the shelves of Walmart and Advance Auto Parts.
As far as the marketing part, I think that the ONLY marketing I've seen from companies such as Pinnacle and 4 Star Shine and Clearkote and Poor Boys has been word of mouth on detailing forums. I would love to be able to get UPP at Pep Boys.
It took Meguiar's OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS to reach their position in the marketplace. They didn't market an actual car WAX until the late 40's (only glazes), and they didn't market a consumer line until the late 70s. Their entry into the consumer marketplace was driven by consumer demand for their products.
So now we have a company that is a successful brick 'n mortar retailer playing in the realm of the elites, and doing it well; I'm not talking about the product, I'm talking about the presence. Isn't it the same thing that mirrorfinishman was lauded for writing, Target Marketing? Frank wrote, "Target market share is valuable from a cost standpoint. The business with the largest 'target market' share usually has the lowest market costs. In other words, the business with the largest share of a given 'target market' segment can have a more profitable operation. This is possible, even at prices where competitors with smaller market share only break even. Concentrate in the appropriate market segments where your business is unique. This will help you to gain high target market share in those segments. High target market share leads to lower overall costs. Lower costs lead to lower prices, forcing low-share, high cost businesses out of the market. It is therefore essential that the dominant business, in a market segment, takes the steps necessary to steadily increase target market share. It must be understood that market share usually refers to a 'strategic market segment' rather than the entire market."
The risk of the dominant player creating a monopoly is real, but is countered by the continual innovation of the independents. The dominant player also has to be careful in that its products have to be simple to use and work very well for almost everybody, leaving the highest quality and lowest cost positions open to others. Believe me, Krell Audio isn't moaning that Harmon Kardon's amps offer 80% of the same quality for 1/100th of the price; they've exploited the upper end, and they're doing it profitably at prices that make normal people blanch. And H/K isn't complaining about the boom boxes at KMart.
I understand the concerns raised by the skeptics. Those who say, "wait and see" are right in doing so. By the same token, when those skeptics are faced with a product that DOES live up to the hype (I'm speaking generically here, intentionally not referring to NXT so as not to infuse my point with emotion), those people have an obligation to state the facts and not perhaps bring their own hopes that a product will flop to the table, and to do so regardless of said product's manufacturer; for it is only through the steady advancement in quality of products that the industry will improve.
Tom
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
NozeBleedSpeed said:
Hey NoseBleeedSpeed, don't take my offer as an insult, I just want you to be happy. I read the entire thread and am aware of what you wrote.
Just trying to make sure you have no regrets.
I know everybody is going to get different results depending upon the condition of the finish they apply NXT Tech Wax to and the prep work they do before hand.
All my results have been excellent, and yes, often times have done extensive prep work. Some cars I have detailed I have purposefully minimized my prep work. This black Miata is an example:
http://www.showcargarage.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224
As far as perspective goes, I agree 100% with you on that. My perspective is only relative to the products I've used. But I have used many. And I still stick by a statement I wrote somewhere here on Autopia or SCG, and that is this, after my prep work, NXT Tech Wax is my first choice for a last step product before turning the car back over to the customer. It has not failed me yet to create a crystal clear, highly reflective, high gloss, wet-looking finish with the least amount of cobweb effect of any wax I have used including many that are popular on the web.
That's my perspective.
It's also my results. So, please don't be insulted because I offered to replace the bottle of NXT Tech wax for you, it was a sincere gesture to insure that you are a satisfied customer.
That's all.
Mike
NozeBleed -
In your first post, it sounds like to me that you are saying Mike only uses Meguiars products because he works there. It is my understanding that Mike purchases several other products from different manufacturers to test them for himself. So I would think that he has some experience to base that it is one of the best products he has used. However, like you said he does work for them, so he could be biased.
Not trying to jump on you, just pointing something out to other readers so they can decide for themselves.
And just my own thoughts, everybody has his/her own opinion on things, whether they like or dislike application, look, smell, etc of products.
In your first post, it sounds like to me that you are saying Mike only uses Meguiars products because he works there. It is my understanding that Mike purchases several other products from different manufacturers to test them for himself. So I would think that he has some experience to base that it is one of the best products he has used. However, like you said he does work for them, so he could be biased.
Not trying to jump on you, just pointing something out to other readers so they can decide for themselves.
And just my own thoughts, everybody has his/her own opinion on things, whether they like or dislike application, look, smell, etc of products.
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
Just to be upfront... I am a biased. I hope some can respect that I'm at least up front with my bias. I'm so biased in fact, it led to a job working for Meguiar's.
Go figure? :nixweiss
When I detail car professionally, I don't have the film-build to make a mistake, not to mention the bank account with spare cash to purchase other people paint jobs for their cars.
(Heck, were trying to get our Caddy painted, that's enough).
For the above reason, I always use Meguiar's sandpapers, compounds, cleaner/polishes, pure polishes, and yes waxes. If the prep products are good enough to do the hard work, (removing defects and creating a clear, high gloss finish, then I trust in the waxes to carry my work over the top.
So yeah... I'm biased, but two things,
1) I admit biased
2) I recognize there are other equally good products on the market. The problem I have with them is a majority of are what I would call an incomplete line.
I'm just a system oriented detailer, whether that's a blessing or a curse others can decide, all I know is at the end of the day... the results have the final word.
I would cringe at the idea of using 3M, followed by Meguiar's topped off with brand x. That method of madness just doesn't fit my thought process.
(Edited because I forgot a couple of things...)
Anyone remember this thread,
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30858&perpage=18&pagenumber=2
There was some confusion as to the performance of Tech Wax after posting before and after pictures of a black Corvette.
Here are three pictures,
Before
After ScratchX by hand plus NXT
Sun shot in the middle of the after side
The After side still had plenty of swirls in it. While it was dramatically better than before we started, it was far from perfect. I posted pictures that clearly showed that NXT wasn't a miracle product. Point being, I might be biased, but I'm not dishonest and the photo's in this thread show both improvement and a still very badly swirled finish. I could have left the photo's out that didn't make the after results look it's best, but to be honest and to be fair, I posted all of the photo's.
Same thing in this thread on durability,
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29022&perpage=18&pagenumber=13
I never have claimed this product to be the most durable of Meguiar's products, or the competition. The reason why? Because it's too hard to measure. Personally, I'm not in the durability camp... I'm in the beauty camp. I have always positioned this product as a beauty product, in other words, a show car wax, or last step product.
It may be a very durable wax, and it may be a very protective wax, (both are very different things), but I would never make those claims because I know not only can I not prove it, but it could also come back to haunt me.
Here's a good thread on protection (not durability).
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25806
I'm in the car world for the long run. For this reason, I do my best to only say and post things I know are accurate and I know will stand the test of time.
Now... back to cleaning the garage so I can detail a car tomorrow...
Mike
Go figure? :nixweiss
When I detail car professionally, I don't have the film-build to make a mistake, not to mention the bank account with spare cash to purchase other people paint jobs for their cars.
(Heck, were trying to get our Caddy painted, that's enough).
For the above reason, I always use Meguiar's sandpapers, compounds, cleaner/polishes, pure polishes, and yes waxes. If the prep products are good enough to do the hard work, (removing defects and creating a clear, high gloss finish, then I trust in the waxes to carry my work over the top.
So yeah... I'm biased, but two things,
1) I admit biased
2) I recognize there are other equally good products on the market. The problem I have with them is a majority of are what I would call an incomplete line.
I'm just a system oriented detailer, whether that's a blessing or a curse others can decide, all I know is at the end of the day... the results have the final word.
I would cringe at the idea of using 3M, followed by Meguiar's topped off with brand x. That method of madness just doesn't fit my thought process.
(Edited because I forgot a couple of things...)
Anyone remember this thread,
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30858&perpage=18&pagenumber=2
There was some confusion as to the performance of Tech Wax after posting before and after pictures of a black Corvette.
Here are three pictures,
Before
After ScratchX by hand plus NXT
Sun shot in the middle of the after side
The After side still had plenty of swirls in it. While it was dramatically better than before we started, it was far from perfect. I posted pictures that clearly showed that NXT wasn't a miracle product. Point being, I might be biased, but I'm not dishonest and the photo's in this thread show both improvement and a still very badly swirled finish. I could have left the photo's out that didn't make the after results look it's best, but to be honest and to be fair, I posted all of the photo's.
Same thing in this thread on durability,
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29022&perpage=18&pagenumber=13
I never have claimed this product to be the most durable of Meguiar's products, or the competition. The reason why? Because it's too hard to measure. Personally, I'm not in the durability camp... I'm in the beauty camp. I have always positioned this product as a beauty product, in other words, a show car wax, or last step product.
It may be a very durable wax, and it may be a very protective wax, (both are very different things), but I would never make those claims because I know not only can I not prove it, but it could also come back to haunt me.
Here's a good thread on protection (not durability).
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25806
I'm in the car world for the long run. For this reason, I do my best to only say and post things I know are accurate and I know will stand the test of time.
Now... back to cleaning the garage so I can detail a car tomorrow...
Mike
Steve @ Guru
New member
Mike,
As always, the info and perspective is appreciated, but I have to make one comment in regard to sticking solely with a single system - it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I always make references to food when trying to draw comparisons in detailing, so I'll keep it the same here.
I like to eat, and as such, I have favorite food products, favorite food stores, favorite restaurants, etc. I like McDonald's french fries, but I'd never dream of only going to McDonald's for all of my meals...I like Black Angus Tenderloin, but I'd never dream of having a fillet with ribeye fries and a slice of ground chuck pie. That would be a bit foolish, right?
Same holds true for detailing... I wouldn't expect any manufacturer to make a line of products that sweep the entire detailing arena. Don't take this the wrong way, but I really don't like any of the Meguiar's Glass Cleaners...so, what do I do? I use something else, like Sprayway or Bon Ami. I don't really like Meguiar's wheel cleaners, so I use Eagle One or P21S.... I don't expect my P21S GEPC to take out all of the swirls, so I use something like an Einszett product, because I find it's easy to use, provides consistent results and has worked wonderfully for me in the past. And so on, and so on.
For a company to spread itself "thin" by creating a massive line of products, there has to be some level of compromise...you either have to have a ton of specialists on staff, designing, tweaking and adjusting product formulas to stay current with technology (which would in turn, drive product prices high as R&D isn't cheap), or you have to compromise on some of the quality, if quantity is your main point of interest.
Meguiar's has a *ton* of detailing products, there's no questioning that...but, I feel this wide scope of products - the attempt to fill every single void with a product from big M - may result in a few compromises that I'm not comfortable with. So, the manufacturer has to either bite the bullet and hire the staff and devote the resources necessary to develop products without regard to cost, or they have to outsource the product, or they have to focus on what they're really good at (niche manufacturers).
Niche manufacturers can choose a destination and focus on the product. They don't have to worry about glass cleaning products if they're in the tire care business. Likewise, they don't have to divert their attention to glass products when glass compounds change; they just have to focus on tire compounds and tire products. Much like how racing teams have specialists for their cars - the guy who tunes the engine might not know anything about suspension, and that's a good thing. He only has his area of expertise to worry about, and as such, he can master his craft. I'm a pretty good tech, but I'd never dream of painting a show car - yeah, I know how to use a HVLP paint gun, but that doesn't make me an expert painter.
Besides, as a detailing enthusiast, sticking with one product is very limiting. Why not try new things? Might find something that works better than what you had been using, right? Heck, if it weren't for the basic human desire to try new things, we'd still be crawling in diapers and eating mashed carrots from Gerber jars... it's our desire to want to learn and experiment that leads us to new experiences and adventures.
So the way I see it, not having a "complete line" is a blessing, not a curse. Just my $0.02...sorry for contributing to the further skew of this thread from its original intent.
As always, the info and perspective is appreciated, but I have to make one comment in regard to sticking solely with a single system - it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I always make references to food when trying to draw comparisons in detailing, so I'll keep it the same here.
I like to eat, and as such, I have favorite food products, favorite food stores, favorite restaurants, etc. I like McDonald's french fries, but I'd never dream of only going to McDonald's for all of my meals...I like Black Angus Tenderloin, but I'd never dream of having a fillet with ribeye fries and a slice of ground chuck pie. That would be a bit foolish, right?Same holds true for detailing... I wouldn't expect any manufacturer to make a line of products that sweep the entire detailing arena. Don't take this the wrong way, but I really don't like any of the Meguiar's Glass Cleaners...so, what do I do? I use something else, like Sprayway or Bon Ami. I don't really like Meguiar's wheel cleaners, so I use Eagle One or P21S.... I don't expect my P21S GEPC to take out all of the swirls, so I use something like an Einszett product, because I find it's easy to use, provides consistent results and has worked wonderfully for me in the past. And so on, and so on.
For a company to spread itself "thin" by creating a massive line of products, there has to be some level of compromise...you either have to have a ton of specialists on staff, designing, tweaking and adjusting product formulas to stay current with technology (which would in turn, drive product prices high as R&D isn't cheap), or you have to compromise on some of the quality, if quantity is your main point of interest.
Meguiar's has a *ton* of detailing products, there's no questioning that...but, I feel this wide scope of products - the attempt to fill every single void with a product from big M - may result in a few compromises that I'm not comfortable with. So, the manufacturer has to either bite the bullet and hire the staff and devote the resources necessary to develop products without regard to cost, or they have to outsource the product, or they have to focus on what they're really good at (niche manufacturers).
Niche manufacturers can choose a destination and focus on the product. They don't have to worry about glass cleaning products if they're in the tire care business. Likewise, they don't have to divert their attention to glass products when glass compounds change; they just have to focus on tire compounds and tire products. Much like how racing teams have specialists for their cars - the guy who tunes the engine might not know anything about suspension, and that's a good thing. He only has his area of expertise to worry about, and as such, he can master his craft. I'm a pretty good tech, but I'd never dream of painting a show car - yeah, I know how to use a HVLP paint gun, but that doesn't make me an expert painter.
Besides, as a detailing enthusiast, sticking with one product is very limiting. Why not try new things? Might find something that works better than what you had been using, right? Heck, if it weren't for the basic human desire to try new things, we'd still be crawling in diapers and eating mashed carrots from Gerber jars... it's our desire to want to learn and experiment that leads us to new experiences and adventures.
So the way I see it, not having a "complete line" is a blessing, not a curse. Just my $0.02...sorry for contributing to the further skew of this thread from its original intent.
imported_ajbarnes
New member
Nice write up Mosca.:up
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
geekysteve said:So the way I see it, not having a "complete line" is a blessing, not a curse. Just my $0.02...sorry for contributing to the further skew of this thread from its original intent.
Good points, and well taken.
When I say I like to stay in side of a single system, I usually am only thinking of paint products. That's my thing... polishing paint. I'm not much of a carpet, door panel, trunk mat kind of guy.
Those things are important, but in my life I have only detailed two interior, and both cars had leather, chrome, paint and vinyl and were immaculate to start with. (A 1959 Corvette and a 1967 Lincoln Continental).
But good points.
By the way, you really didn't like the glass cleaner in the Detailer Line?
I used that as a door opener in Oregon when calling on detail shops and dealerships because it worked so well. Often times when calling on a detail shop it was hard to get in the door because the competition in the detail industry was so well entrenched. Anytime I had trouble I would offer to leave a sample of Meguiar’s Glass Cleaner, D-1301. When I would return, usually a week or two later, they would always buy.
It was the easiest sale I ever made. But you didn't like it? :nixweiss
Mike
imported_Aurora40
New member
Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you are saying Geeky, but you make some pretty big generalizations. I don't agree that a company that makes a lot of products inevitably has to compromise the quality of them. Nor do I agree that a company that only makes a few products must then do a good job at them. There are examples to point to of companies that make a lot of stuff and do it well, and ones that make only a few products that are really crappy (or at least really compromised on quality). Whatever the feelings or implication about Meguiar's, I just think that generalization is way too general...
Steve @ Guru
New member
I can understand where it might look like I'm using a broad brush for these strokes, but I've used and own most of the products that I'm making reference to - I just thought no one would really like to see a list of the 500+ products that I have at my home compiled in a side-by-side comparison test.
I've done the whole #9, SMR, Einszett MP, Poorboys SSR-1, Scratch-X, 3M FI-III MG, Mothers, Mothers Pro, Eagle One Glaze, Liquid Ebony, P21S MSR, etc. tests - I think I've used close to 20 mild swirl mark removers (similar to #9 and/or SMR)...that's lead me to like certain products better - ones that fall outside of a single manufacturer's realm.
Heck, most of us on the board are taking a product like KSG and topping it with everything from PUPP to Souveran... it just further proves the point that the "single best product line" theory might not be always the best choice.
Again, not dinging anyone's preferences - just sharing my experience and preferences.
I've done the whole #9, SMR, Einszett MP, Poorboys SSR-1, Scratch-X, 3M FI-III MG, Mothers, Mothers Pro, Eagle One Glaze, Liquid Ebony, P21S MSR, etc. tests - I think I've used close to 20 mild swirl mark removers (similar to #9 and/or SMR)...that's lead me to like certain products better - ones that fall outside of a single manufacturer's realm.
Heck, most of us on the board are taking a product like KSG and topping it with everything from PUPP to Souveran... it just further proves the point that the "single best product line" theory might not be always the best choice.
Again, not dinging anyone's preferences - just sharing my experience and preferences.
NozeBleedSpeed
Right Wing Conservative
Tom,
I respect your position and I understand your viewpoint. The substance of your post mainly deals with market divisions. You make an excellent presentation on the value of large corporations claiming the market place in ever increasing widespread consumption. Its an important lecture in Business 101. The reason you dont see UPP on the Mega-Lo shelves is because the major market players are all consuming that same shelf space with price driven consumer lines and competing amongst themselves. 4 Star cant compete with the advertising, payola and name recognition. If those shelves werent overflowing with vast lines of mediocre product from well known corporations, there would be more room for great products on those same shelves.
Mike,
I understand. Im not an unhappy customer. I would have bought the product, even if it had been bad, just to try it. I think you know that Im a fan of Meguiars products. On NXT we'll just have to disagree. No foul. I will say that for now, I'll stick to those tan bottles.
You are certainly not alone.I dont think anyone here is completely unbiased. Everyone has products that produce that warm fuzzy feeling. For each of us, any challenger that doesnt replace that product will not be viewed as a valid contender.(Sorry, Im a boxing fan)
B-NIS,
Im aware that Mike tries products outside of Megiars lines. I didnt intend for it to sound as if he were ignorant to other products. My point was really that as a Meguiars employee, he is certainly biased in his opinions(as he openly confesses). I just didnt want it to read as an accusation.
newagain,
Do we really have to do this? I really dont see the sport in debating an unarmed man.
I respect your position and I understand your viewpoint. The substance of your post mainly deals with market divisions. You make an excellent presentation on the value of large corporations claiming the market place in ever increasing widespread consumption. Its an important lecture in Business 101. The reason you dont see UPP on the Mega-Lo shelves is because the major market players are all consuming that same shelf space with price driven consumer lines and competing amongst themselves. 4 Star cant compete with the advertising, payola and name recognition. If those shelves werent overflowing with vast lines of mediocre product from well known corporations, there would be more room for great products on those same shelves.
Mike,
I understand. Im not an unhappy customer. I would have bought the product, even if it had been bad, just to try it. I think you know that Im a fan of Meguiars products. On NXT we'll just have to disagree. No foul. I will say that for now, I'll stick to those tan bottles.
You are certainly not alone.I dont think anyone here is completely unbiased. Everyone has products that produce that warm fuzzy feeling. For each of us, any challenger that doesnt replace that product will not be viewed as a valid contender.(Sorry, Im a boxing fan)
B-NIS,
Im aware that Mike tries products outside of Megiars lines. I didnt intend for it to sound as if he were ignorant to other products. My point was really that as a Meguiars employee, he is certainly biased in his opinions(as he openly confesses). I just didnt want it to read as an accusation.
newagain,
Do we really have to do this? I really dont see the sport in debating an unarmed man.
