No flaming please ... Acrylic vs the rest

I think the best birdproof combo would be

AIO

SGx3

FMJx2

EXPx2

Mothers TopCoatx1

Collinite845x2

Collinite 476x2

Nattys Blue(for looks)x75 :LOLOL
 
wannafbody said:
I think the best birdproof combo would be

AIO

SGx3

FMJx2

EXPx2

Mothers TopCoatx1

Collinite845x2

Collinite 476x2

Nattys Blue(for looks)x75 :LOLOL



:lol



You forgot the Z2! :D
 
Gen2 said:
Hi bro ghoonk, nice to see you responding here. So you are actually selling Klasse and Menzerna products in Singapore ?



I don't sell either, as Eric will attest to. Rather I'm an enthusiast (though most people I know think I'm obsessed, like a mad scientist in search for the creation of life) who's spent way too much on detailing products (got 2 cupboards full of stuff that have 'failed' my QC), and have found that Klasse and Menzerna are working well beyond my expectations.



perhaps I should be careful about making a sweeping statement that acrylic products are good, when what I actually mean is that Klasse and Menzerna are good (both of which are polymer systems that use acrylic), but at the risk of starting a holy war in here, I'll still stand by my position that I've found carnauba, Klasse, and Menzerna to offer superior protection when compared to Meg's NXT, Gold Class, and Zaino. ;)
 
GSRstilez said:
Your key statement was in the last sentence...."largely unscientific".





Let's break down the "look" of things...



Water looks like rubbing alcohol...not the same thing...

Wolfgang Tire Gel looks like Turbo Wax Tire Gel...not the same thing...

Klasse SG looks like cake icing...not the same thing...





What I am getting at is "looks are decieving". Just because something "looks" the same, doesn't mean it is. A true test would be to take a sample and have it lab tested, but I agree with you that this does not reflect true life...



If Menzerna works for you, great, it works for me too. However, I would be hesitant to knock Zaino for protection. In independent tests I have found Zaino to last longer, but Klasse to protect a bit better. However, these tests were purely observations which lacked a controlled experiment, so I use them for my basis, not a new thread stating "Klasse protects better than Zaino".



In closing, I would say to just keep all of this on the hush hush unless you have good evidence to back up your opnions. It will just save everyone from a flame war.





Fair enough. Again, keep in mind that my statements were posted here by someone whom I hope did not have the intent of starting a flame war (which he has attempted to clarify from the start), though the way the tonality of the original post seem to indicate otherwise.



There remains much argument in whether A is better than B, and such debates will continue through the years. This shouldn't be about whether A is better than B, but rather a POV, and as forums go, one POV is as good as another.



Again, due to differences in environmental factors, we may have differing results with different products. I agree that Zaino seems to stay on the car longer, but that's irrelevant since the premise of my statement was focused on protection ;)



In the absence of a purely scientific experiment, the truth remains out there. Do keep in mind that I wasn't the one who brought this discussion to Autopia, and certainly not in the tonality that was used. Few of us here have any good evidence other than empirical ones and experiences that we share readily, and respecteach other enough to agree or disagree while refraining from turning a thread into a flame war. Perhaps if the original post had been posted with a bit more discretion or rephrased in such as way as to better communicate the intent of the question, i.e. to gather feedback from fellow autopians on their experiences with the durability of acrylic-based products as compared to established systems such as Zaino and Meg's, this would have turned out a lot more constructively :)



Again, since my statement was taken out of context by the original poster, I'd like to take this opportunity to carry on this thread in a constructive fashion to hear from you guys on your experiences with Klasse and Menzerna against the evil forces of bird poo, tree sap and acid rain :)



Peace ;)
 
Like I previously posted, with your hybrid system, in what order do you lay down the products to achieve this bird poo level of protection?
 
Spilchy said:
Like I previously posted, with your hybrid system, in what order do you lay down the products to achieve this bird poo level of protection?





sorry, missed your post earlier. Here's what I have on my car now:



AIO

FPII

FTG x 2

FMJ x 3

HGAS x 3



simple, but effective. All hand-applied, worked panel by panel, and larger panels are divided into two or 4 parts for application.
 
and that doesn't include the layer of HGAS that I apply every week :D



for special occassions, I top off HGAS with Pinnacle Souveran, and that layer stays on for around 2 to 3 weeks max in our tropical weather.
 
There is one type of bird bomb I get that will eat through SG x 3 in just a few hours if the surface is more than warm. That is the dreaded berry bomb from birds who like what appears to be blackberries.



I think the speed with which bird bombs of any sort eat through LSP and clearcoat is closely related to how hot the surface of the car is at the time of the dirty deed, and in the hours and days following.



Mikeman out.
 
ghoonk said:
Again, keep in mind that my statements were posted here by someone whom I hope did not have the intent of starting a flame war (which he has attempted to clarify from the start), though the way the tonality of the original post seem to indicate otherwise.



Wow wait a minute...since when the discussion is developing into a flame war ? I believe everyone was giving very good contribution to the topic, sharing valuable experience and knowledge and I definately did not smell any gunpowder around (but someone did mentioned about a gun, right :D ).





ghoonk said:
Perhaps if the original post had been posted with a bit more discretion or rephrased in such as way as to better communicate the intent of the question, i.e. to gather feedback from fellow autopians on their experiences with the durability of acrylic-based products as compared to established systems such as Zaino and Meg's, this would have turned out a lot more constructively



I believe the original discussion was talking about protection againts bird dropping ectching and not durability of different products. In order to let fellow autopians have a better understanding on what was being discussed I did a direct quote from you posting without mentioning name. If you feel that it is not right to do a direct quote of your posting, I apologize for that.



I feel that you are taking it a little too personnal and strong about it and if the mod feels that there is any bit of flame war going on, please delete the topic, I do not want to create any unhappiness around here. :xyxthumbs
 
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