need recommendation: spray on drying aid - slick detail spray or spray wax?

The other thing I notice about 146 thats different than other drying aids is some of them that have some alcohol in them smear LSP - 146 doesnt do this.
 
autoaesthetica said:
The other thing I notice about 146 thats different than other drying aids is some of them that have some alcohol in them smear LSP - 146 doesnt do this.
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Good point.



I've also found that some of those "alcohol" QDs can kill off an LSP that's on its last legs. I once got into a bit of an :argue with my pal Mike Phillips about M34 in that regard; I said it did that because of its alcohol content and Mike said :nono it doesn't contain alcohol. Seemed like we were arguing over some pretty fine points with regard to what is/isn't truly "alcohol". But M34 *has* killed off LSPs for me whereas stuff like FK146 boosts them hand helps nearly-dead ones hold on a while longer.
 
I quit using #34 years ago because it didn't anything for me. No additional gloss, no cleaning power, maybe it's okay for removing polish residue, but just not what I was looking for in a QD. I couldn't really say if it negatively impacted my LSP but if some of its chemical composition at least resembles that of alcohol, or can do the same as it, I can see why those monitoring the longevity of their LSP are reporting it knocking it out.
 
Accumulator said:
Good point.



I've also found that some of those "alcohol" QDs can kill off an LSP that's on its last legs. I once got into a bit of an :argue with my pal Mike Phillips about M34 in that regard; I said it did that because of its alcohol content and Mike said :nono it doesn't contain alcohol. Seemed like we were arguing over some pretty fine points with regard to what is/isn't truly "alcohol". But M34 *has* killed off LSPs for me whereas stuff like FK146 boosts them hand helps nearly-dead ones hold on a while longer.
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Yep, M34 has no alcohol :). Its the tensides in the liquid that actually suspend *lift* away the residues. Amazing stuff, completely forgot about by many but probably one of the best out there - still. What you have noticed is those actives basically lifting away that LSP thats hanging on for dear life.



As Bill D noted as well, M34 leaves nothing behind, its purely meant for inspection and cleaning of a literal sense.
 
autoaesthetica said:
Yep, M34 has no alcohol :). Its the tensides in the liquid that actually suspend *lift* away the residues. Amazing stuff, completely forgot about by many but probably one of the best out there - still. What you have noticed is those actives basically lifting away that LSP thats hanging on for dear life..
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Ah, OK. Heh heh, that's actually a better explanation that Mike gave me! Thanks for the schoolin' :D



As Bill D noted as well, M34 leaves nothing behind, its purely meant for inspection and cleaning of a literal sense.
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I'll :argue that a bit; M34 does leave *something* behind, minimal as it may be. I use M34 on all sorts of stuff (besides Automotive applications) and it imparts some kind of residue (meaning that in a good way) that can cause beading/etc. where there were no such effects before its use. Whatever it is, it sure isn't anything to worry about, probably even paintable, though I've never tried that.
 
It could be the body shop safe resins. ( silicone-free I assume?) They may leave something I don't really detect compared to what other QDs like FK425 and SS leave behind. Those are slick and clean well enough for me, but sometimes I get streaking from 425, which I attribute to my climate as I notice the streaking is at its peak during the most humid, summer months here.
 
I feel like such a friggin nerd with this - I know too much about this crap.



Bill D said:
It could be the body shop safe resins. ( silicone-free I assume?) They may leave something I don't really detect compared to what other QDs like FK425 and SS leave behind. Those are slick and clean well enough for me, but sometimes I get streaking from 425, which I attribute to my climate as I notice the streaking is at its peak during the most humid, summer months here.
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425 streaks in the humidity slightly probably because of the light agitation of your LSP due to the alcohol in 425 I would bet you notice it only with certain lsps of a carnauba nature? I hope?





Accumulator said:
I'll :argue that a bit; M34 does leave *something* behind, minimal as it may be. I use M34 on all sorts of stuff (besides Automotive applications) and it imparts some kind of residue (meaning that in a good way) that can cause beading/etc. where there were no such effects before its use. Whatever it is, it sure isn't anything to worry about, probably even paintable, though I've never tried that.
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M34 is paintable and I think(at least I like to think) whatever beading your seeing is from whatever tension is left on the paint. I think M34 probably has some glycol in it(it makes sense as this is a cleaner) but I think thats what youre seeing. Its like alcohol based glass cleaners really leave nothing on the glass but might use something to do the cleaning(a glycol for example) then a stronger suspender(alcohol in glass cleaner's case).
 
Mike,



Fell free to be nerdy when the moment calls for it. That's what Autopia is all about. :xyxthumbs



Yep, 425 streaks on wax for me but not sealant, It's principally why I started using SS on my cars with wax. However, I still experience 425 streaking on my sealant at times. I'm going to monitor that during the Fall and Winter once we enter our dry season.
 
Mike is correct about the M34; I went right to the source, an MSDS sheet. Final inspection contains:



PNP Glycol Ether

Propylene Glycol



No mention is made of any type of alcohol, and the product is listed as completely water soluble.
 
Ah, appreciate that info on the M34, and yeah...one person's "nerdy excess of knowledge" is somebody else's "merely well-informed" :xyxthumbs



I've used M34 on "perfectly clean" surfaces and it left them slicker. Interesting that you mentioned the glass cleaners as I've *used* glass cleaners to clean a surface and then used M34, the diff was noticeable.



Anyhoo...we could talk this stuff to death, huh?!? The stuff we find interesting... :chuckle: but hey, I *do* find it interesting!
 
Bill D- Now that you mention it, I think I *did* have some issues with FK425 on Collinite back when I was LSPing the Yukon with that :think: Gee, this was years ago, but yeah, I too use SpeedShine (or my old EF Clear Pearl, still haven't used it all up!) on waxes and leave my other QDs for sealants.



Ya know, I simply never use M34 for "normal QDing", only for use when buffing off compoud/polish residues. Well, I take that back in that I do use it on some interior surfaces now and then. But I probably use it on antiques/etc. a lot more than I do for any automotive application.
 
I notice 425 plays great with the FK sealants and most of the Meguiars sealants, but *sometimes* can act a fool with some carnaubas - certainly the luxury oily ones, not so much the solventy waxes.



What I always will use M34 is a post polishing wash drying aid, I just dry the car and use M34 to assist - that way I can safely go right to anything I am topping with.
 
Yep, it acts up with Souveran, thats why I switched to SS-- still no guarantee I won't get streaking. Doesn't really matter what I do, lightly mist, switch towels, etc., sometimes I just get it on that. Luckily 425 is more or less okay on the Accord with sealant
 
It's simply exceptional when you use it on a totally unprotected car. You spritz it on top of the pooling layer of water, the product suddenly tears up the water film, deposits itself onto the surface, and then you should simply rinse it off with a slow stream of water. Using it as a QD gives mediocre lubricity, and the finish doesn't jump at you, but it glows very nicely under street lights.
 
Interested in Bence's comment about perlglanz, I had a look and it seems that this is the same product as 1Z spray wax, which more people have heard probably.



The videos on the DE and US site are the same and also the MSDS number is the same as the catalog number for both products.



I have used 1Z SW (run out now) but not in the way Bence mentions. The video surely looks impressive. I am thinking if DG AW (reputed to be a great drying aid) can have the same effect.



I might just try for the experiment of it to wash, rinse, spray AW, rinse/watersheet again.
 
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