!!!!! Meguiar's Lab Sample "d"!!!!!

Hi Greg,



I would like to try the Platinum UPP, but I don't have it right now.



I will order it however and use it for a comparison test in the near future.



Tomorrow, I'm going to test on a carbon fiber hood with easy to see buffer swirl.



First, I'll tape it down the center and apply Lab Sample E and inspect. I'll post photo's here and on my forum.



Then I'll apply a wax of anyone's choosing, (that I have in my collection), perhaps 5 Star Shine? I just received their product.



Or ?????
 
Also Mike I had a question. I know business is composed of compromises. For instance, if this product was fickle about removal such as Klasse, marketing/sales wouldn't be happy as they would request that the chemists make it easier to use, possible adversely affecting initial (current state of LSE) quality of appearance, durability, etc for the consumer market? Also, given similar "protectants" sealants, etc have a considerably higher cost than your average consumer product. Gold Class, your most expensive consumer wax/protectant is like $11 a bottle, right? Well I would really hate this version to be "dumbed" down for the consumer who thinks say $20 a bottle is ridiculous, plus the cost of the rejuvenator. I mean ZFX alone costs $20 for 3 ounces and Zaino has a lot of die-hard customers who happily pay this. I guess I would just really hate to see this product compromised for what the "general public" will pay and wants. Just me thinking out loud...
 
Mike Phillips said:
Longevity testing starting now... (as he goes out to wash the car eek... with Dawn!)



Thread on longevity testing here



Any suggestions as to products you would like compared?
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Could also do a surface imperfection (spiderwebbing) visual elimination comparison. Zaino Z5. This seems to be a very amazing feature of LS D/E

Longevity testing is not very important to me because of the frequency in which I rejuveniate my protectants. Never over 4 weeks on my driven vehicles. :wavey
 
Greg said:
Also Mike I had a question. I know business is composed of compromises. For instance, if this product was fickle about removal such as Klasse, marketing/sales wouldn't be happy as they would request that the chemists make it easier to use, possible adversely affecting initial (current state of LSE) quality of appearance, durability, etc for the consumer market? Also, given similar "protectants" sealants, etc have a considerably higher cost than your average consumer product. Gold Class, your most expensive consumer wax/protectant is like $11 a bottle, right? Well I would really hate this version to be "dumbed" down for the consumer who thinks say $20 a bottle is ridiculous, plus the cost of the rejuvenator. I mean ZFX alone costs $20 for 3 ounces and Zaino has a lot of die-hard customers who happily pay this. I guess I would just really hate to see this product compromised for what the "general public" will pay and wants. Just me thinking out loud...
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Good points.... Good insights.... :xyxthumbs
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Could also do a surface imperfection (spiderwebbing) visual elimination comparison. Zaino Z5. This seems to be a very amazing feature of LS D/E

Longevity testing is not very important to me because of the frequency in which I rejuveniate my protectants. Never over 4 weeks on my driven vehicles. :wavey
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I have both the old Z5 and the new Z5, I'll try both of them.



I'll test on the carbon fiber hood with horrendous buffer swirl tomorrow.
 
PAW said:
So, is the same stuff as the Velocity mold release? Or at least similiar? :D
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No, not even.



I know just for fun the chemists tried some out on a variety of automotive paints given what it does for the mold surface, but one of them told me it bonds well, but doesn't look good.



1 out of 2 isn't bad, but it isn't good enough.
 
Mike, I can send you a Platinum sample if you'd like if you want to PM me your address. I can't imagine you need a whole bottle for spot testing. I can't ship it out till Saturday though.
 
Greg said:
Mike, I can send you a Platinum sample if you'd like if you want to PM me your address. I can't imagine you need a whole bottle for spot testing. I can't ship it out till Saturday though.
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Thank you for the kind offer, I think I'll go ahead and order some because it's been on my 2-do list for some time now.



Thank you though.
 
Mike,



Thanks for keeping us all in the loop!



I do hope it will be avalible for the Pro/Detail line in gallons or a slightly different strength.



Gezzz, I' still dying!!! You got to find a way to get some out to us!



Come on, go back to the "Lab of Shinology" and procure some in small 2oz bottles for "field testing" via Autopia and Showcar members. I'll pay.. I'll pay!!!



Love to see the carbon fiber results!



Well, back to my mundane job.. Port wrapped on a switch on one site!



Keep us updated!



Regards,

Deanski
 
Dang it Mike, I'm in Mountain Top PA. That's pretty close to Irvine. If I decide to stop in, I'll give you a ring first, though.





Tom,

Who is tempted to go to Irvine....
 
geez,how about sending some my way here in honolulu since we get things here pretty late as compared to all of you back in the states?;) :p
 
Deanski said:
Mike,



Is this the "VIBRANT" test product? Interesting back panel :p



Regards,

Deanski
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Deanski,



No, as mention here and on ShowCarGarage, this is definitely not Vibrant, this is new polymer chemistry, with emphasis on new.



In the below picture, you will see the deck lid of a Honda Acura Legend.



I have washed with Dawn twice, (thorougly), then wiped down with Isopropyl Alcohol and water mixed at 50/50.



For the Zaino section, I applied Z1, let dry for 30 minutes, then applied new Z5 over it without first removing it.



Should I instead apply Z2 over the Z1? and then apply Z5 to the same section after removing the Z2?



Temperatures are warm and dry. All product I am testing are drying rather quickly so I don't think I'll have any time issues today.



Let me know, I have Z1 on the Zaino section right now.
 

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Mike,



I'm very interested to see the comparisons when this is all done. Will that information be available to post here when complete? I'm a Klasse twins guy myself, but if I find something better then I'm all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake!



Jeremy
 
Mike Phillips said:
For the Zaino section, I applied Z1, let dry for 30 minutes, then applied new Z5 over it without first removing it.



Should I instead apply Z2 over the Z1? and then apply Z5 to the same section after removing the Z2?



Let me know, I have Z1 on the Zaino section right now.
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Mike, I am not Deanski but here is your answer.



Z2 is not necessary if you are testing spiderweb filling and durability aspects of Zaino. Z2 can be applied at the end if you want to maximize the Zaino side's appearance ( the normal application procedure for a Zaino user). This would lead to a fairer final appearance comparison between LS D/E and Zaino without affecting the other two perimeters that you are analysizing.
 
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