Interesting Conversation About the Cost of Detailing

[n737nc]

My post says it above, but if you don't want to read much, I'm basically saying there's no way you can say you do equal or better work, unless you're talking about taking photos of shiny cars, as that's all that's seen online... nothing coming out of my ***

Wasn't directed at you genius.....try reading

 

[n737nc]

An offline post is one written in a word processor. I copied statements made from the thread, added the necessary quotation code that vB software requires, and wrote several responses to that statements. It's nothing new. In fact, it's as old as the computer is, or the internet anyway.

Wow! Another genius



My statement was that the thread was been deleted. And you ramble off that the only thing changed was your site's link removed. THE FREAKING THREAD IS GONE GENIUS!!!!

 

[imported_User Name]

To begin with, you're insulting everyone here, including me, that's siding with Holden on this issue... seeing as how you're not one to follow the crowd, it makes me one to do so, correct? No. I simply read what was said, and I know both of these guys equally (almost not at all other than a few posts online) and based my opinion on what I read...

Well, I don't know either at all and frankly, I saw it, read it and saw NOTHING wrong with it. Quite simple, actually.

As for not being able to teach an old dog new tricks.. I totally agree... you basically went against what I said, then repeated what I said...?

Huh????? Are you kidding me. I was responding the claim that his post would make detailers look bad (I don't even know if you wrote it, but I read someone write it) and what I said makes perfect sense. Nothing Nick wrote changes that.

the fact that Nick has posted such a thing about a pretty good and respected detailer (imo) to a bunch of 'old dogs' who will not only never see the benefit in detailing

Well, as I said before I don't know either, but I've exchanged some PM's with Holden and my impression is that he is very young (maybe even 17 although I'm not sure). I've also seen him post some stuff on another forum which was downright rebuked by guys who would probably be deemed "legends" in the industry, so while I'm sure Holden does great work, I think you're guilding the lilly a bit here.

I would still like to know why Nick didn't compare the same services...

Frankly, I think a lot of you guys are way too up tight and a strange bunch. I go back to a thread where a KID who was just starting a detailing business was told to go out and spend 2 grand on a wax (Vintage - I think)... meanwhile... I (not wanting to be a part of the crowd - again) told him that was nuts and he should invest in some equipment (which bought me a week ban). Just kinda funny.



Now, you're getting all pumped up because I read the post and DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. Should I adjust my opinion, to coincide with yours?

 

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

Alright smart guy, not once did I ever compare his $4k detail to anything of mine. Once again, pulling something out of your a$$!

Wasn't directed at you genius.....try reading

Alright smart guy, not once did I ever compare his $4k detail to anything of mine. Once again, pulling something out of your a$$! My statement was very simple, that I could do just as good of a job or better for less money. Now please tell me where I state which service I would offer?



I would never advertise a $4k detail, or a 60 hour detail. Thats a waste of internet space. My clients know what I offer, and they know they are not going to get a quote like that over the net. Yes I have done several details that were above and beyond the 60 hours mark(probably more than Holden himself), and the price was no where near $4k.



Change the freaking picture on your website Holden. It's a joke to advertise a $4k detail on such a cheap vehicle. No one in their right mind would pay you to do that to a vehicle like that. Load up a Lambo or Aston or something other than a freaking VW

Dude grow up please... you're acting like a 10 year old... you posted the link that went directly to the page for the $4k service... how can you act immature and say you didn't intend to compare your prices to that???



How is it a waste of internet space to advertise a service?? Once again you're bashing the fact that Apollo can and does charge $4k for the service... how is that waste of internet space and your $250 correction isn't? You advertise your service and price, he does the same with his...



As for the 60 hours and nowhere near $4k... many, and I mean many detailers are working at $70+/hr... $70x60=$4200 genius...



Stop being jealous and immature, grow a pair and try and 1. improve yourself, 2. improve and/or find new clients who are willing to pay more for a quality detail (considering you can provide one) and 3. stop sticking your nose into others people business... as I stated in the post above, and which you confirmed with your last post I quoted above, you're simply calling those who own 'cheaper' vehicles mentally ill if they pay big money to have their car looking perfect... where did you get the info that noone in their right mind would pay that? your ego and thinking you're better and cheaper...



again, grow up and live with it... look at Paul in the UK and his $10k details on brand new cars... supply and demand buddy, simple as that... live and learn :welcome

 

[imported_advs1]

Yeah, probably not a good idea to bash other detailers. I personally am above bashing others. If I can't say anything nice, I don't say anything at all.

i dont bash and for the most part keep my mouth shut, hence the low post count. i was mearly stating what i saw on a certain website. i guess it is hard to see people make inaccurate statements and then get the general public believing what they are peddling. again not a bash, but it makes it harder for great paint correction specialists to get valid info out to the masses.

What website did you get this information from?

if you read the thread and follow the links and read what some of the processes are, you will find it. i am not going to mention names. and it wasnt directed toward you.

 

[imported_User Name]

In any event, my main point was... Nick does great work at a very reasonable price... now if you don't mind, I'm driving to Texas.

 

[imported_User Name]

Did I miss the post where lecchilo was insulted?



Is he a pro detailer? If so, where was the "purported" diss on him?



Do you know who I cheer for when the Cubs play the Cardinals? Nobody, I'm a Yankee fan.

 

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

In any event, my main point was... Nick does great work at a very reasonable price... now if you don't mind, I'm driving to Texas.

That's a good point and I can easily agree... my main point was... Nick has nothing besides internet photos and text to compare services and is in no position to be the judge on what a detailer should charge, unless they're a complete hack, in which case they shouldn't be being paid at all... why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Holden_C04]

Well, as I said before I don't know either, but I've exchanged some PM's with Holden and my impression is that he is very young (maybe even 17 although I'm not sure). I've also seen him post some stuff on another forum which was downright rebuked by guys who would probably be deemed "legends" in the industry, so while I'm sure Holden does great work, I think you're guilding the lilly a bit here.:

You mean the five private messages you sent me? I'm sorry if you were offended that I didn't reply back to the last one. I don't like idle banter in my PM box. If it's an emergency or a business thing, that's fine. Otherwise, keep it to the forum.

 

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

Did I miss the post where lecchilo was insulted?



Is he a pro detailer? If so, where was the "purported" diss on him?



Do you know who I cheer for when the Cubs play the Cardinals? Nobody, I'm a Yankee fan.

I wasn't really insulted... after all it's the internet... but you said that you're not one to follow the crowd, indicating that everyone who disagrees with you is... I was one of those people so it's kinda insulting...



I don't know what's considered a pro detailer these days, but in my opinion it's someone who does detailing for a living, or more than just on weekends, and someone who does great work in all aspects of the detail, regardless of what they charge, hourly or per detail... With this definition, I'm no pro detailer as I do only 3-5 paid jobs monthly and, like many, simply started as a hobby and over the years learned more and more... I do consider myself very good at paint correction, as opposed to engine cleaning (which I hate) but none of this has to do anything with the "diss" mentioned above...



Oh and go Yankees!

 

[imported_User Name]

That's a good point and I can easily agree... my main point was... Nick has nothing besides internet photos and text to compare services and is in no position to be the judge on what a detailer should charge, unless they're a complete hack, in which case they shouldn't be being paid at all... why is that so hard to understand?

What is he judging???



Look... I'm an attorney in my real life so lets assume for a second you are as well.



You charge $750 per hour for a criminal case and I charge $250 per hour. If I said "look I am $500 cheaper than him and can do as good a job" what is wrong with that, if we are both able to obtain an acquital?

 

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

What is he judging???



Look... I'm an attorney in my real life so lets assume for a second you are as well.



You charge $750 per hour for a criminal case and I charge $250 per hour. If I said "look I am $500 cheaper than him and can do as good a job" what is wrong with that, if we are both able to obtain an acquital?

That's a bad comparison... what you stated has nothing wrong with it, considering the client is free in the end... in the detailing world however, Nick can't compare his 'acquittal' (result) in person to that of Apollo, thus making it an irrelevant comparison of prices...



Edit: what do you mean "in real life"? man I wish I was an attorney though...

 

[n737nc]

Dude grow up please... you're acting like a 10 year old... you posted the link that went directly to the page for the $4k service... how can you act immature and say you didn't intend to compare your prices to that???



How is it a waste of internet space to advertise a service?? Once again you're bashing the fact that Apollo can and does charge $4k for the service... how is that waste of internet space and your $250 correction isn't? You advertise your service and price, he does the same with his...



As for the 60 hours and nowhere near $4k... many, and I mean many detailers are working at $70+/hr... $70x60=$4200 genius...



Stop being jealous and immature, grow a pair and try and 1. improve yourself, 2. improve and/or find new clients who are willing to pay more for a quality detail (considering you can provide one) and 3. stop sticking your nose into others people business... as I stated in the post above, and which you confirmed with your last post I quoted above, you're simply calling those who own 'cheaper' vehicles mentally ill if they pay big money to have their car looking perfect... where did you get the info that noone in their right mind would pay that? your ego and thinking you're better and cheaper...



again, grow up and live with it... look at Paul in the UK and his $10k details on brand new cars... supply and demand buddy, simple as that... live and learn :welcome

You are about an idiot. The post about bad karma was not directed at you. Try reading, and keep your little "rolleyes" to yourself.



Jealous and immature? Yeah, thats me.



My post did absolutely nothing to disrespect anyone or anything. It was merely a tool to use to show that my prices were not all that bad. You, on the other hand, have completely blown this WAY out of proportion. And now you have taken a step to insult me.



Once I saw this thread, and read the comments, I then deleted the thread that I posted causing all of this. You, on the other hand, have taken this to a whole new level and are completely blowing it out of proportion! I said that you were correct on some of your statements, and then removed the thread. Yet you still feel the need to bash me. Get a life! What you're doing to me is bashing, Only thing I did was compare my prices with Holden's.

 

[Pats300zx]

Hey this thread is getting a little out of control. Perhaps we should all review the Autopia rules on attacks on other members. Either bring this thread back to a civil nature or it's getting locked down.

 

[imported_User Name]

You mean the five private messages you sent me? I'm sorry if you were offended that I didn't reply back to the last one. I don't like idle banter in my PM box. If it's an emergency or a business thing, that's fine. Otherwise, keep it to the forum.

Okay tough guy...



Notice he didn't answer the age question (which leads me to believe he is 17). Second thing is that I PM'd you after you created a thread which posted everyones facebook photo (and ticked many here off - which you have since deleted), but I was responding to how you got my photo. In fact, you didn't get it, you got me.



In any event, my impressions of you are that you are a young kid with some talent but have a lot to learn in this arena and could stand to learn a lot of you didn't think you knew so much (like some posts you created here about things said to you at MOL).



I also think you spend WAY TOO much time on internet forums, so how much detailing could you be doing?

 

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

You are about an idiot. The post about bad karma was not directed at you. Try reading, and keep your little "rolleyes" to yourself.



Jealous and immature? Yeah, thats me.



My post did absolutely nothing to disrespect anyone or anything. It was merely a tool to use to show that my prices were not all that bad. You, on the other hand, have completely blown this WAY out of proportion. And now you have taken a step to insult me.



Once I saw this thread, and read the comments, I then deleted the thread that I posted causing all of this. You, on the other hand, have taken this to a whole new level and are completely blowing it out of proportion! I said that you were correct on some of your statements, and then removed the thread. Yet you still feel the need to bash me. Get a life! What you're doing to me is bashing, Only thing I did was compare my prices with Holden's.

Ok... back to civilization as Pat suggests...



I'm a very simple person, so answer a very simple question for me... humor me...



Why did you post a link of the $4k service and not the $250/$4xx service page, which is a better/fair comparison to your services/prices?

 

[Holden_C04]

Okay tough guy...



Notice he didn't answer the age question (which leads me to believe he is 17). Second thing is that I PM'd you after you created a thread which posted everyones facebook photo (and ticked many here off - which you have since deleted), but I was responding to how you got my photo. In fact, you didn't get it, you got me.



In any event, my impressions of you are that you are a young kid with some talent but have a lot to learn in this arena and could stand to learn a lot of you didn't think you knew so much (like some posts you created here about things said to you at MOL).



I also think you spend WAY TOO much time on internet forums, so how much detailing could you be doing?

Who asked you for your impression? I am, obviously, not 17. To suggest so is rather rude, obnoxious, and reveals a little about your maturity level.



Anyway, I'm done with this thread.

 

[n737nc]

Hey this thread is getting a little out of control. Perhaps we should all review the Autopia rules on attacks on other members. Either bring this thread back to a civil nature or it's getting locked down.

Please do!

There is a reason I do not post here on Autopia, and lecchilo is a prime example.

 

[imported_User Name]

That's a bad comparison... what you stated has nothing wrong with it, considering the client is free in the end... in the detailing world however, Nick can't compare his 'acquittal' (result) in person to that of Apollo, thus making it an irrelevant comparison of prices...



Edit: what do you mean "in real life"? man I wish I was an attorney though...

Real life - means that is what I do for 60 hours a week... the rest of the time I pretend to know what I'm doing either with my lawn or the paint on my car.



As for my example... I'll tell you why it is good. Detailing is finite. There is only a certain amount of "perfection" one can achieve.



Perfect is perfect. So, assuming Nick can get job "A" done perfect and so can Holden, on that particular job, it is safe to say Nick is at least as good as Holden. If for example, Nick gets EVERY job to the highest attainable level of correction or perfection, again the statement would be fair.



So, I think the statement is fair in as much is I would bet dimes to dollars that you would probably see no discernable difference in their work.*



































*Other than the fact that Nick probably uses better products and Holden is from Canada and what do Canadians know beyond igloos and seal hunting!

 

[n737nc]

Ok... back to civilization as Pat suggests...



I'm a very simple person, so answer a very simple question for me... humor me...



Why did you post a link of the $4k service and not the $250/$4xx service page, which is a better/fair comparison to your services/prices?

#1- I also offer these mega details(60+ hours)



#2-Where did I compare any of my prices against his?





Only thing I did was post that I could do just as good of a job, or better for less money. You read created all of your own assumptions after that.