imported_Ivan Rajic
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gbackus said:
Did not know that was Nick Chapman.. that's pretty low if that's the case, seeing as how he actually does seem to know what he's doing regarding detailing and knows what's involved... baddie
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Did not know that was Nick Chapman.. that's pretty low if that's the case, seeing as how he actually does seem to know what he's doing regarding detailing and knows what's involved... baddie
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lecchilo said:
I did not want to identify him, though I did figure eventually it would come out.
gbackus said:
Yes, I did post that thread. How is that pretty low of me? What did I say that was wrong?
Reason that thread was started was because I get a lot of complaints that my prices are too high. I posted that thread to show that I could charge more, and there are more expensive detailers than myself. Yeah, thats really low of me to do that
Get a life guys! That thread took off on a negative level because you have a picture of a $15k car getting a $4k detail. Manage your site a little better.Holden_C04 said:
DFWStangs uses an automated system to approve accounts. Yours is no different that anyone elses, and you're not being blackballed. I am a moderator over there, and not once have I seen anything denying your account, heck I can't even find where you applied to be a member.
imported_Ivan Rajic
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n737nc said:Yes, I did post that thread. How is that pretty low of me? What did I say that was wrong?
Reason that thread was started was because I get a lot of complaints that my prices are too high. I posted that thread to show that I could charge more, and there are more expensive detailers than myself. Yeah, thats really low of me to do that
1. that car is worth $25k not $15k
2. you're stating that a concourse type, very thorough detail should be an X amount of the car price... that means I can't buy a $1500 exhaust system for my (near future) E36 M3 which costs $13-15k? Just because someone doesn't have $200k to spend on a Ferrari, doesn't mean they can't spend $30k on a $25k car to have it look it's best... people pay online to watch other people eat sh*t and cut their manhood off, why in the FFFF would someone not pay a high price to get their car perfected?
3. Even if you show to those mustang idiots Apollo's 'ridiculously high' prices doesn't mean they're going to justify your prices... it depends on your area and the people's love for their cars... as you can see, some guy is calling a detail a glorified wash & wax, indicating no knowledge at all, so if anything, those members who said you charge a lot, will think even worse about detailing when they see such high prices... it's the people who take care of their cars and know they get what they paid for who will pay you the big $$ to properly detail their cars...
In short, if you do good work let that speak for itself and charge accordingly, you have no business posting prices of someone else to justify your own... dumbest part of all this is your prices are the same as Apollo's, other than the perfection detail...
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n737nc said:
I personally don't care what that community thinks of detailing as they're definitely not the customer I aim to please... I was saying your plan of showing that your prices were better than those of some other detailers while your work was similar or better backfired in that it didn't show that group of people that true detailing is worth the time and money, rather made them think every quality detailer is out to rip them off with high prices, and they'll go for the $80 complete details at turtle wax car wash places... lose lose imo
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n737nc said:Yes, I did post that thread. How is that pretty low of me? What did I say that was wrong?
Reason that thread was started was because I get a lot of complaints that my prices are too high. I posted that thread to show that I could charge more, and there are more expensive detailers than myself. Yeah, thats really low of me to do that
I wrote my post offline and saved the thread starter. Here it is:
n737nc said:
The link to my website has been removed. Other than that, that is your post, correct?
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wow, not to bash on other detailiers, but i clicked some of the links and the stuff the have on their websites is amazing. "we dont not use high pressure on your car as it might cause scratches and swirls". but then in the pictures they brag about using a water blade to clean excess water??
they use the same water hose and nozzle you use at home. oh but the water is heated to 200degrees. wow
they use the same water hose and nozzle you use at home. oh but the water is heated to 200degrees. wow
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lecchilo said:
:2thumbs: well said lecchilo.
Holden_C04
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advs1 said:
Yeah, probably not a good idea to bash other detailers. I personally am above bashing others. If I can't say anything nice, I don't say anything at all.
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Sorry, not much a follow the crowd type of guy but Nick's explanation seemed more than legit to me. A simple comparison and offering that he gives good rates.
In fact, I didn't know his rates were sooooooo good... makes me want to take the trip down south just to have Nick do my car! How about we meet half way? LOL
Also the notion that you'll make the detailing business look bad is just bogus. There are those (like us here) who see the benefits of detailing and there are those who NEVER will, period.
One of my closest friends is a heavy at Goldman Sachs, he drives very expensive vehicles and he thinks Joe's corner wash (at 12 bucks a pop) is as good a wash as you can get. His vehicles are covered in swirls and even when I point the swirls out to him, he just shrugs his shoulders and continues to think I'm nuts. Point being, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
In fact, I didn't know his rates were sooooooo good... makes me want to take the trip down south just to have Nick do my car! How about we meet half way? LOL
Also the notion that you'll make the detailing business look bad is just bogus. There are those (like us here) who see the benefits of detailing and there are those who NEVER will, period.
One of my closest friends is a heavy at Goldman Sachs, he drives very expensive vehicles and he thinks Joe's corner wash (at 12 bucks a pop) is as good a wash as you can get. His vehicles are covered in swirls and even when I point the swirls out to him, he just shrugs his shoulders and continues to think I'm nuts. Point being, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
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I sometimes feel a little annoyed when I see less qualified detailers charge more than me, but I would never publicly say it. Bad Karma.
imported_Ivan Rajic
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advs1 said:
Thanks.
Holden_C04 said:
There's a fine line between bashing others and criticizing others... in all honesty, I'm pretty curious myself what the $4k detail consists of, but I will not compare your $4k detail (which I can safely assume is very thorough concours level detail lasting a few days at least) to my $1k concours detail lasting about as long... maybe you clean somewhere I don't, maybe I could charge more, or maybe you're slow, charge per hour, and get what you ask... all of this is just general speculation so please don't think of it as an insult towards you or your work as we all know you can do a quality job... I guess what I'm trying to say is that what Nick did was bash your services and compared apples to oranges (40hr concours detail to his 8-10hr paint correction) instead of messaging you and asking what you do, how clients respond to the high price, etc. etc.
Honesty goes a long way and I think criticism makes everyone better in the end
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To begin with, you're insulting everyone here, including me, that's siding with Holden on this issue... seeing as how you're not one to follow the crowd, it makes me one to do so, correct? No. I simply read what was said, and I know both of these guys equally (almost not at all other than a few posts online) and based my opinion on what I read...
it all comes down to the simple fact that Nick knows absolutely nothing about the services of Apollo other than the price (I have to again reiterate that Apollo prices are close/same as Nick's prices, aside from the $4k detail, which probably rarely gets done)... photos online are just ridiculous and almost anything can be covered up with glazes, waxes and/or photoshop... main thing that bothered me is that rather than inquiring about services and prices of Apollo, Nick bluntly stated that he's cheaper and equal or better... the first part is not true (correction for both seems to run $250-600) and second part is unknown as there aren't 2 10-hour videos comparing the skills of the two detailers... for this reason, such a statement shouldn't have been made...
As for not being able to teach an old dog new tricks.. I totally agree... you basically went against what I said, then repeated what I said...? the fact that Nick has posted such a thing about a pretty good and respected detailer (imo) to a bunch of 'old dogs' who will not only never see the benefit in detailing, but also never realize what an actual detail is and how it compares to a wash& wax, makes the detailing business look bad because of who the information is relayed to... if he told a potential client, in private, that he'll beat a competitors price and do just as good a job, or better, all the power to him... but to randomly post a person's prices on line simply to calm down clueless people who are criticizing his own prices is low...
I would still like to know why Nick didn't compare the same services...
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n737nc said:
My post says it above, but if you don't want to read much, I'm basically saying there's no way you can say you do equal or better work, unless you're talking about taking photos of shiny cars, as that's all that's seen online... nothing coming out of my ***
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n737nc said:
An offline post is one written in a word processor. I copied statements made from the thread, added the necessary quotation code that vB software requires, and wrote several responses to that statements. It's nothing new. In fact, it's as old as the computer is, or the internet anyway.
Alright smart guy, not once did I ever compare his $4k detail to anything of mine. Once again, pulling something out of your a$$! My statement was very simple, that I could do just as good of a job or better for less money. Now please tell me where I state which service I would offer?
I would never advertise a $4k detail, or a 60 hour detail. Thats a waste of internet space. My clients know what I offer, and they know they are not going to get a quote like that over the net. Yes I have done several details that were above and beyond the 60 hours mark(probably more than Holden himself), and the price was no where near $4k.
Change the freaking picture on your website Holden. It's a joke to advertise a $4k detail on such a cheap vehicle. No one in their right mind would pay you to do that to a vehicle like that. Load up a Lambo or Aston or something other than a freaking VW
I would never advertise a $4k detail, or a 60 hour detail. Thats a waste of internet space. My clients know what I offer, and they know they are not going to get a quote like that over the net. Yes I have done several details that were above and beyond the 60 hours mark(probably more than Holden himself), and the price was no where near $4k.
Change the freaking picture on your website Holden. It's a joke to advertise a $4k detail on such a cheap vehicle. No one in their right mind would pay you to do that to a vehicle like that. Load up a Lambo or Aston or something other than a freaking VW
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