I think ONR is dumb....

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ThomasC said:
Well all I can say is that if the people who make the stuff don't trust it, I won't trust it;

wdp's only -(water dependent products, yuk, yuk, sort of like that)



If you have not seen the video on the Optimum website you really should take the time to look at it.
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Really? No one's holding a gun to your head, I guess.



All I can say is I've used it, love it and COMPLETELY trust it not to scratch my cars. Apparently a TON of pros trust it on their customer's cars too, along with the multitude of people who chimed in so far. At the price, it really won't put you out too much to just try it. If you don't like it, no biggie. But it really does no good to fly in the face of what actual users of the product are trying to share with you. Sounds like you had your mind made up before you even started this thread. :rolleyes:
 
yakky said:
I think a big problem with some of the theories posts is that spraying water and/or foaming removes all the dirt...
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IME you always need some degree of mechanical agitation, but I haven't tried a pressure washer-centric method like what SuperBee364 uses either.



.. I have yet to see pictures of ONR induced marring.
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Well, I don't put much stock in internet pics one way or the other.



I've marred paint using ONR in situations where my normal technique would *NOT* have caused marring. Yeah, I "did it right" and I'm 100% confident that nothing escaped my consideration. No, the marring wasn't anything that most people would notice or care about. Yeah, I do use ONR for some things, so don't take my $0.02 as some kind of unqualified slam or anything like that.



There's no right/wrong position on this topic and IMO no percentage in trying to change anybody's opinion about it. [Repeat "use what works for you.." lecture]
 
ThomasC said:
Well all I can say is that if the people who make the stuff don't trust it, I won't trust it...
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What makes you think such ... (insert appropriate word here)?



We all seen the video. Anthony Orosco is an active member here who did this little film, and while you won't see him getting an Oscar for that, it shows the simplicity of the process quite well. Couple of members even helped Optimum with professional assessments to develop the product(s).



Yes, you can have your doubts. Lots of other members did. But you won't gain anything if you just play a broken record player. Try it and you can decide based on your own experience if the technology was worthy of mentioning/using.
 
AeroCleanse said:
Since I switched to ONR, I've never needed a hose. If your dragging around dirt with your ONR sponge, your doing it wrong or are using the wrong kind of sponge.



I think Scottwax has a video on cleaning wheels, and fender wells with ONR.
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Come to Raleigh, NC and do some of the trucks that I do, and you will quickly put your ONR away in favor of a hose.
 
Brandon1 said:
Come to Raleigh, NC and do some of the trucks that I do, and you will quickly put your ONR away in favor of a hose.
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I doubt I'd use a hose, it be more likely to break out a steamer.
 
Scottwax, can you post some 50/50 shots of ONR. I saw you post them somewhere on here but just couldnt find them.
 
ThomasC said:
But then not too long ago I thought clay was dumb also; help me out here guys, what up with this stuff and the -waterless- products.



If Billy were still with us would he be pitching these products??
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Not only does it work great, it is easier
 
ThomasC said:
Well all I can say is that if the people who make the stuff don't trust it, I won't trust it;

wdp's only -(water dependent products, yuk, yuk, sort of like that)



If you have not seen the video on the Optimum website you really should take the time to look at it.
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The owner of Optimum washes his Titan and his wife's ML430 with ONR and seals them with Opti-Seal. Obviously, he trusts it. He didn't make the video, Anthony Orosco (a detailer in San Antonio) made the video.



I trust it too, wouldn't use it on my own car or my customer's cars if I didn't. You don't have to trust it, you don't have to use it. No one is making you.
 
AeroCleanse said:
I doubt I'd use a hose, it be more likely to break out a steamer.
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Come ONR these, If you dont use a hose I will pay for your trip down.



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ONR doesn't work for me. This is one of the CLEANEST cars I've seen in a long time. Most cars have about twice to three times the amount of mud on them, which isn't even exactly mud, it's dirt and sand caked on the vehicle from the sand and gravel they drop on the roads in the wintertime.



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I love ONR. I use it on all of my routine washes, in all seasons.

Only time I don't use ONR is when I have a car looks like the non-typical dirt nuggets that member "WAS" deals with, or when I intend to do a complete detail.
 
I dont understand hw people are using ONR on vechiles that were posted in similar condition above???
 
Shutter said:
I dont understand hw people are using ONR on vechiles that were posted in similar condition above???
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You cant, plain and simple. You must do a pre-wash to get rid of the caked on mud/dirt, and by that point, you just do a normal water wash.



And BTW- that white Chevy up above, that isnt mud, thats cow sh!t. Try ONR'ing that.
 
Although I'd prewash them with a pressure washer under the trim line to remove the really thick scum - they are indeed washable with ONR only.



You have to presoak the mud really well to soften them up, use very thick mitts (a couple of them), very soft grout sponges, lots of ONR. Use a big garden sprayer to presoak. Lift lots of water to the muddy area and start wash gently. Move the mitt/sponge only in one direction (downwards). Never move it upwards again to prevent the grit scratching the relatively cleaner parts. Flip the mitt/sponge to expose a clean side, and move it downwards gently again. Rinse under running water, or rub against a grit guard to dislodge the rough particles from the fibers. Change mitts as necessary. Repeat again and again.



Grout sponges will rinse very clean, mitts will become gray as the ONR binds the really small floating particles into them.



The objective is to target and wear/melt away the thick muddy layer. If the car has grass, leaves stuck behind its wheelwells, use a grout sponge as you won't be able to rinse the "veggies" from the mitts - especially MF!



The remaining parts of the body are washed normally.
 
Bence said:
Although I'd prewash them with a pressure washer under the trim line to remove the really thick scum - they are indeed washable with ONR only.



You have to presoak the mud really well to soften them up, use very thick mitts (a couple of them), very soft grout sponges, lots of ONR. Use a big garden sprayer to presoak. Lift lots of water to the muddy area and start wash gently. Move the mitt/sponge only in one direction (downwards). Never move it upwards again to prevent the grit scratching the relatively cleaner parts. Flip the mitt/sponge to expose a clean side, and move it downwards gently again. Rinse under running water, or rub against a grit guard to dislodge the rough particles from the fibers. Change mitts as necessary. Repeat again and again.



Grout sponges will rinse very clean, mitts will become gray as the ONR binds the really small floating particles into them.



The objective is to target and wear/melt away the thick muddy layer. If the car has grass, leaves stuck behind its wheelwells, use a grout sponge as you won't be able to rinse the "veggies" from the mitts - especially MF!



The remaining parts of the body are washed normally.
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Sounds easier to use a hose.
 
I got in a debait about dry washing brandon 1 I do a lot of cars and trucks like yours ther is no way u can onr cars like that. let me gus u guys onr greasy engines to u have to have a pressure washer to get motors fender wells clean your fingers can not get into the thight spots like water does. nor can onr produce pressure. I will say it again 2 shops side by side one says car wash the outher says dry wash I know the one i going to.What ever u want to call it it is still dry washing. dude be for real I will promis u can not clean farmer jon dirty truck properly with onr no way possible onr will not go through 1 inch of mud.I do not think my custmers 100,dollar bmw would want me to DRY wash his car. Ther is a reason they still sell soap.I mean relly it does not take that long to hand wash a car anyway.
 
Brandon, yes, definitely, but you can encounter stupid situations when you don't have access to a hose/PW... I had to wash an SUV on the runway of an airport for photoshooting.
 
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