I think ONR is dumb....

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yakky and my other friends, the wording of the original post was intended to communicate that I once thought using clay was 'dumb' also and now I cannot, and do not, do a detail without using the product.



I do accept responsibility for the incomplete thought and I will not be presumptuous in the future.



I don't think I am a troll, don't they hide under bridges and jump out to collect fees for those wishing to cross?



But I do have to ask again; is anyone going to state that the manner in which Optimum demonstrates ONR is an indication of complete confidence in the product?
 
The threads and demos that scottwax posts should give you enough indication that he has complete confidence in the product.
 
ThomasC,



The videos are there to show the technique, not for pushing the limits and banging chest like a gorilla.



Anthony happened to have a relatively clean car at hand - and remember he is not the rep of Optimum.



But the constant repeating of this question can be tiresome. There are more than a couple thousand satisfied users of ONR out there, and we stated that we CAN wash with it marr free, we ARE satisfied with the product, we KNOW how does it work. Period, full stop, whatever. Of course, you can repeat this question of stellar significance again and again and again and again and again (oops), but don't be surprised at the stone age reactions you might encounter.



It seems that confidence in yourself bothers you more than the confidence of the users in ONR. Dare to try it and you will be able to form an opinion about it.



BTW, Dr. David Ghodoussi is totally confident in his product - THAT'S WHY he decided to market it. And when you know his standards, you can trust in that blue liquid too.



PS: Alternative: go to Optimum Forum (Powered by Invision Power Board) and ask Dr. G directly.
 
Brandon and I have discussed this at length. He has uses for ONR, I don't, I think I may have traded what I had left to him, can't remember but I think I did. Now, that doesn't mean it's a bad product or a great one - just that we handle things differently and the customers I have expect a "wash".



Now I don't have a water reclamation mat, not sure if the Imperial Federal guv-ment can force me to get one either, especially here in NC, and where I live out in the country. Guess that's one thing I enjoy that my yankee friends don't. Too much guv-ment guys, remember that this November.
 
JuneBug said:
Now I don't have a water reclamation mat, not sure if the Imperial Federal guv-ment can force me to get one either, especially here in NC, and where I live out in the country. Guess that's one thing I enjoy that my yankee friends don't. Too much guv-ment guys, remember that this November.
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Yeah I laughed at the reclamation comment. Ha, find me someone in NC that uses that. I have well water, and I am on my own land....
 
Bence said:
It seems that confidence in yourself bothers you more than the confidence of the users in ONR. Dare to try it and you will be able to form an opinion about it.



BTW, Dr. David Ghodoussi is totally confident in his product - THAT'S WHY he decided to market it. And when you know his standards, you can trust in that blue liquid too.
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Very true, when I first tried QEW, I was very skeptical, after all, it was an RV wash, and what RV owner cares much about their RV? However countless posts here gave me the courage to try. I started with two buckets, being super careful, taking forever, until I got confident. Now I am at the point of being able to wash, dry and wax a car in 30 minutes (wheels and wheelwells included).
 
JuneBug said:
the customers I have expect a "wash".
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You know I thought the same thing when I first started using QEW years ago but other than one single customer (who eventually relented and didn't mind me using ONR on his cars), everyone else was amazed how I could safely wash their cars using so little water. I now have dozens of customers who wash their cars with ONR in between details.
 
That's cool, but like the other great debates: do you put on socks, then shoes or a sock and a shoe, repeat, or which way does the TP roll, it's personal choice and what the guy/gal with the cash wants. I'm sure if I tried hard enough I could get that ONR process to be as good or better than the bucket wash/hose, but - like Brandon (a friend and neighbor BTW) says, we're out in God's country and have our own wells. I don't do mobile details. And, as of this year, I've raised prices and will not do the cesspools I once did. I'm 50 years old, and although I need this second job, I will not bust my balls anymore just for the sake of a few bucks. I have better things I can do.



Sorry - a little ADD today, must be the weather.
 
ONR is great.



2-small buckets and warm water.



Works best with a MF bone like what is shown in ScottWax's youtube vid.
 
So now the consensus is that a video shown on a manufacturers official website somehow does NOT reflect the position of that manufacturer, amazing.



Does any of the ONR remain on the paint surface after wiping?
 
ThomasC said:
So now the consensus is that a video shown on a manufacturers official website somehow does NOT reflect the position of that manufacturer, amazing.
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Are you intentionally trying not to get it? Amazing.



The video on their site is the first ONR video that was made that I know of. It was put on the site to demonstrate the technique and nothing more. It is not meant as a demonstration of the amount of soiling ONR is capable of removing.



I have no idea why you are making such a huge deal out of this unless you have some sort of agenda you aren't revealing. Personally, I don't necessarily take what the manufacturer of a product claims over what the people who actually use it say. Everyone says their products are the best, what matters is what the people who pay for and use the products think.



Does any of the ONR remain on the paint surface after wiping?
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ONR leaves behind a finish similar to freshly QD'ed paint, so yes the polymers that remove the dirt leave something behind that adds gloss and slickness.
 
Well I just found the answer to my own question on the Optimum web site;



I quote, 'this unique product contains substantive polymers which BOND to the paint and protect it during the wash. Therefore No Rinse Wash and Shine offers greater lubricity and protection than conventional car washes leaving a sleek and glossy finish behind afterwards.'



If this product bonds to and protects the paint during the wash process just how does it allow the dirt to be removed-if ONR bonds to the paint upon application it similarly would have to bond to everything ON the paint.



It appears, to this inquisitive troll anyway, that ONR cannot be used as a final surface prep prior to waxing/sealing as the left over- substantive polymers- would have to be removed, no?
 
ThomasC said:
It appears, to this inquisitive troll anyway, that ONR cannot be used as a final surface prep prior to waxing/sealing as the left over- substantive polymers- would have to be removed, no?
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You can wax right over ONR without any negative affect on the durability of the wax or sealant.



Scottwax, is it possible to have a manufacturers 'troll'?
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Please. The last car I detailed I used products from 5 different companies. I use what I think is going to work the best and no single company has the best product in each category. Am I an 3M troll because I use 3M's Ultrafina to make sure my customer's vehicles are swirl free and then talk about it online? Am I am Armor All troll because I defend it against those who still think it is petroleum based? Am I a Nissan troll because whenever someone mentions wanting a good used car in the $8-10k range I suggest a 2002-3 Nissan Maxima and list off the attributes like the large interior, big trunk, VQ35 engine and standard HID lights?



However, I won't let a product that I know works well, along with a company that has been striving to continually refine and improve their products be unfairly attacked by someone who hasn't even used their products and keeps focusing on the video on the website while ignoring all the other videos out there on youtube which show the true soil removal capabilities of ONR.



Based on this thread and your inability to get past that, it appears if anyone has an agenda, it's you.
 
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