I think ONR is dumb....

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You'll love this:

In the summers a buddy and I drive identical buses in the sightseeing industry. While we're on our breaks at the Butchart Gardens in Victoria, every couple of days we clean our buses.

The buddy drives 2 miles to a pressure wash place and soaps and pressure washes his bus.

I bring out my little bucket and microfibers and give the old girl a once over.



By the time the buddy comes back with his coach, I'm just finishing mine so the time is about the same.



The difference is cash and looks. He pays about 10 bucks in products and I pay a few pennies. My coach looks perfect while his has slight streaks from improper drying. Both are the same model of MCI and both are a dark blue/gray.



I'll be using ONR again this summer.



Give it a try and you'll really like it.

-John C.
 
ONR is NOT the end all be all of washing, and I cant understand how some detailers are using ONR as their only wash regiment. However, it is an awesome product for what it is meant for. I wash my wheels/wells with a hose, and paint with ONR. That way I dont have all the little drips out of the trim for days after I wash the paint with a hose.
 
Bence said:
It seems you don't know Accumulator's special wash routine... read that and you'll understand.



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I searched by the username you mentioned, and didn't find a thread about his special wash routine. You have a link by chance?
 
Brandon1 said:
ONR is NOT the end all be all of washing, and I cant understand how some detailers are using ONR as their only wash regiment.
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I've managed to do just fine using ONR (QEW before that) in my business since the early 90s. Very rarely do I run across a vehicle I have to use a hose on for some reason.
 
MichaelSpoots said:
Not everyone entered the detailing or car care scene at the same time as you, 47 years ago, Dave! :think:
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The OP has been in the `car care scene` long enough to form an opinion about ONR. :think2
 
Scottwax said:
I've managed to do just fine using ONR (QEW before that) in my business since the early 90s. Very rarely do I run across a vehicle I have to use a hose on for some reason.
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Yeah, we must just be running into different types of cars. Very rarely can I use ONR solely without a hose. Most of my cars have mud caked under the fender wells, and just general grime that I dont think one should be dragging around with a ONR sponge.
 
From Optimum's website it would appear that they do NOT have alot of confidence that ONR will not damage the surface of a vehicle-am I the only one who has watched that ridiculous video? Now if Optimum had the stones to use a dirty Ferrari (with 200 miles on it) I would have been impressed.



It would appear that the primary purpose of this product is to reduce water consumption, however how much water is used in thoroughly washing whatever was used to 'clean' the vehicle AFTER using ONR?



ONR has to scratch vehicles to take any other position would seem to be illogical, unless of course your contention is that this product magically is able to surround imbeded/attached abrasive particles with an impenetrable bubble...



But I ain't the smartest person in the world, help me out please.
 
ThomasC said:
From Optimum's website it would appear that they do NOT have alot of confidence that ONR will not damage the surface of a vehicle-am I the only one who has watched that ridiculous video? Now if Optimum had the stones to use a dirty Ferrari (with 200 miles on it) I would have been impressed.



It would appear that the primary purpose of this product is to reduce water consumption, however how much water is used in thoroughly washing whatever was used to 'clean' the vehicle AFTER using ONR?



ONR has to scratch vehicles to take any other position would seem to be illogical, unless of course your contention is that this product magically is able to surround imbeded/attached abrasive particles with an impenetrable bubble...



But I ain't the smartest person in the world, help me out please.
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Dirty enough for you?



YouTube - Washing a Cayenne with ONR



I wouldn't use it on my customer's cars if I didn't have the utmost confidence in ONR's ability to wash without marring or swirling.
 
ThomasC said:
ONR has to scratch vehicles to take any other position would seem to be illogical, unless of course your contention is that this product magically is able to surround imbeded/attached abrasive particles with an impenetrable bubble...



But I ain't the smartest person in the world, help me out please.
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Assuming a moderately dirty car, no caked on mud: So how does spraying water magically protect the paint from having the same dirt move across the surface? In either case you end up rubbing dirt against the surface of the car.
 
yakky said:
So how does spraying water magically protect the paint from having the same dirt move across the surface? In either case you end up rubbing dirt against the surface of the car.
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Surfactants encapsulate and emulsify the dirt and grit safely removing it away from the surface.:)
 
As you prespray/presoak the panel with a strong ONR solution, the actives start he particle encapsulation sooner, and the dirt will be softer. In these cases I'm using a thick mitt, lift as much water as possible, and start to wash the panel with VERY little pressure. This pass won't remove all of the soiling, so you have to wash the panel until it's clean! This sentence is the most important thing imaginable. Lots of people have the false conception of washing/drying, because they think that you have to wash the area just once, then you can start drying it immediately. BS! You have to wash the panel until it becomes clean! Use a white drying towel to check your work. If there are soiling on the towel, you did something wrong. The drying towels must be absolutely pristine.



You'll see that after one washing pass some dirt rolls inside the droplets. Wash again. The polymers start to work and the beading will become more pronounced as the panel is getting cleaner (usually 2 pass is enough). This level of soiling is the norm here:



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yakky said:
.. In either case you end up rubbing dirt against the surface of the car.
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Avoiding that "rubbing dirt against the paint under pressure" is what it's all about, and it's easier said than done. Whether you do it via ONR's lifting and encasulation (or whatever goes on with it...SuperBee364 simply calls it "the ONR voodoo") or via my dislodge-and-flush technique, as long as the vehicle looks OK without the need to polish all the time then that's what counts. And "looks OK" and "all the time" will mean different things to different people.



One thing I *will* say about a potential shortcoming of ONR is that I, doing *my* vehicles, need to spray soapy water under pressure to flush dirt out from under/behind the trim/etc. (areas inaccessible to wash media, where dirt builds up). There's simply no way to do it with ONR or any other wash media-contact-centric technique, at least no way that I've ever thought of; I have to use the foamgun (with my boosted water pressure) and/or my air compressor-powered siphon feed sprayer..



Assuming a moderately dirty car, no caked on mud: So how does spraying water magically protect the paint from having the same dirt move across the surface?
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If you flush the dirt off before touching it with the wash medium then the dirt isn't there to cause marring. And if you can even just loosen the bond between the dirt and the paint, then it's a lot easier to get the dirt off without applying pressure. Don't discount the solvent-effect of even plain water...though soapy water works even better. Once the dirt is detached from the paint, it can float in suspension in the water/shampoo, up away from the paint. Still gotta be careful not to apply enough pressure to put it back in contact with the paint though.
 
Brandon1 said:
Yeah, we must just be running into different types of cars. Very rarely can I use ONR solely without a hose. Most of my cars have mud caked under the fender wells, and just general grime that I dont think one should be dragging around with a ONR sponge.
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Since I switched to ONR, I've never needed a hose. If your dragging around dirt with your ONR sponge, your doing it wrong or are using the wrong kind of sponge.



I think Scottwax has a video on cleaning wheels, and fender wells with ONR.
 
Bence said:
.. Lots of people have the false conception of washing/drying, because they think that you have to wash the area just once, then you can start drying it immediately. BS! You have to wash the panel until it becomes clean!
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Very good point :xyxthumbs



In my case I'm currently washing each area a minumum of three times: with the siphon-feed sprayer, with the BHB/foamgun, and then with the mitt/foamgun. That's *after* a good resoaking/prerinse. And even after those three steps then it often takes more work.



For those who like to think about this stuff- Contrast my approach with the opposing view: that each time you touch the paint you risk marring it, so you should minimize the touching and not do so many wash passes.
 
I think a big problem with some of the theories posts is that spraying water and/or foaming removes all the dirt. If it did, there would be no reason to use wash media and this discussion should be over. I have yet to see pictures of ONR induced marring.
 
Well all I can say is that if the people who make the stuff don't trust it, I won't trust it;

wdp's only -(water dependent products, yuk, yuk, sort of like that)



If you have not seen the video on the Optimum website you really should take the time to look at it.
 
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