How do you wash your vehicle?

What do you use?

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SuperBee364 said:
... I really think your [BHB/foamgun] technique is as safe as a completely touch-free wash...



Eh...I dunno about that :think: Might be hard to do a direct comparison since I let things get pretty nasty before washing...I *do* manage to avoid marring the (pampered) S8 pretty well though.



I *still* wonder how big a diff my boosted water pressure makes. Yesterday I was BHB/foamgunning and the pressure dropped a bit (Accumulatorette running water in the house? Filters getting clogged? Beats me..) and I could sure tell a difference. Still worth doing, but not the same by a long shot.




In reality, I pretty much accept how clean the car comes after the BHB step.. if the car isn't coming completely clean after the BHB, I know I need to freshen up the LSP ASAP.



Heh heh, yeah...this is where your vastly superior (to mine) ongoing maintenance makes all the diff. Freshly LSPed, I can get away without that last step, but not for long.
 
I won't do two sheepskin/wash bucket until my jet black is jewelled so for the time being here is my process:



rinse loose dirt off car

foam gun it up w/p21s

one wash bucket w/perls and sheepskin dunking mitt every few swipes



in the order of:

start at the sides above beltline

roof, trunk, hood

front end

lower beltline on sides

rear bumper
 
PhatboyC said:
I wash my car the old 1 bucket, hose and a quality wool wash mitt. I am very delicate and never apply any pressure on the mitt. This has been satisfactory for me.



This is what I do as well.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Don't give up on it yet, jdoria! :D



(For those of you that are tired of Supe's long-winded touch-free car washing spiele, I apologize...)



::::cracks knuckles:::: I feel a looong post coming on...



I've been in search of the perfect touch free wash for several years now. Why? Because I am convinced that (ONR washing notwithstanding) any time you touch the paint, you are marring it to some degree. You touch it, you're marring it. Yes, I know there's a lot of guys that will argue that point, but I'm gonna be stubborn on this point: you touch it, you mar it. Again, the only exception is ONR used correctly.



So, all this nasty stuff needs to come off of the paint, and we gotta do it without stripping the LSP, and without using any sort of wash media to get it off. OK, so what factors are involved in doing this magic act?



Normally, the process of cleaning involves using: Heat, chemicals, and kinetic energy. The two things we can concentrate on here are chemical and kinetic, although we have to be careful with both of them, because we don't want to strip the LSP (chemically), and we don't want to mar/swirl (kinetically).



So to start off, we need something on the paint that is both resistant to chemicals and (and this is the BIGGIE) *easily releases contaminants*. (Let's define "contaminants" as being anything on the car's paint that you don't want. Dirt/grime/bugs/tar all of it). The less kinetic energy required to get contaminants off, the better, since we are limited to the kinetic energy from the pressure washer. So using an LSP that easily gives up contaminants, the better. Luckily, there are a lot of LSP's that excel in this.



Next, we need a chemical cleaner that does *a lot* of chemical cleaning with out stripping the LSP. Now I'm not gonna give you a dollar figure in case my wife reads this, but I have run a *ton* of different soaps through my foam cannon, with only one concern in mind (I didn't even care if it stripped LSP at this point): how much chemical cleaning does this car soap do? I was very disappointed to discover that the *vast* majority of car soaps do very little in the way of chemical cleaning. IMO, most car soap makers focus more on the soap's lubricating and foaming properties than chemical cleaning. I am guessing (again, just MO) that the soap makers are relying on kinetic cleaning (using some sort of wash media... mitt, sponge, whatever) to do the brunt of contamination removal, hence their high lubrication/poor chemical cleaning properties. I also think they do this to make their soaps more LSP safe.



Most soaps appear to be nothing more than a foaming lubricant. Not of much use for a touchless wash where lubrication means nothing. There are very few detailing products that I swear by (although there are a lot I swear *at*), but Chemical Guy's Citrus Wash N Gloss is one of them. It does *far* more chemical-based cleaning than any other soap I've tried that still leaves your LSP unscathed.



So now we have a couple things covered: we know we need an LSP that easily spits off contaminants, and a soap that actually does some chemical cleaning without stripping off the LSP. We're almost to the point where we can actually talk about putting them to use. :)



But I gotta digress for a minute first... Remember that a surface of something can be scratched by anything that is harder than that surface. A car's clear coat is *very* soft. Just about *anything* is harder than it is. So *anything* that is on your paint has the potential to scratch it. So it's important to get in the mind set of "reducing the potential" for those particles to scratch the paint. We gotta think in terms of not letting them go for a ride along the surface of the car. Using a wash mitt (or other wash media) to smash a dirt particle against the paint, then running it along the surface of the paint (while still smashed under the media) is *clearly* not a safe way to remove the particle, regardless of the number of buckets you use. *Anytime* you trap a contaminant under a wash media, it's going to mar whatever it rides across. Again, ONR and it's voodoo notwithstanding. That stuff literally performs miracles, and is the *only* way I've seen of safely smashing particles under a wash mitt without marring. But even ONR has it's limits.



So how can we get these particles off? By making it come off using the least amount of mechanical (kinetic) energy. Break the bond the contaminant has with the surface of the car chemically to start (and hopefully that bond isn't very strong because you are using a good, easily cleaned LSP). Then, instead of using a wash mitt, we can try blasting it off using high pressure water. This is the safest way as far as "reducing the potential" of that particle to mar the paint. Another way we can do it that is *almost* as safe is by kicking the particle in the butt; using a Boar's Hair Brush to dislodge the particle from the clear coat, and then scooting it off the paint in front of the brush (instead of smashing it under a mitt) is *Much* safer and "reduces the potential" of that particle to mar the paint. As the particle rides the wave of liquid in front of the brush, it will hopefully be suspended above the paint's surface. If not, then at least it only has it's own weight to abrade the paint, instead of being forced against it by a wash mitt. Kinda like sweeping a floor.



Unfortunately, high pressure water and BHB's are limited in how strong of dirt/surface bonds they can break. A good BHB is *very* gentle and when used with an LSP that bonds well with dirt and a bad soap has very little cleaning ability. But pair that BHB with a good LSP and good soap, and you'll be able to effectively clean *almost* as well as a wash mitt.



So, we're getting closer to actually washing the car... :)



Here's what I do... it's all about "reducing the potential" of a contaminant to mar, and progresses in aggressiveness as necessary to get the damn stuff off the paint. :)



1. High pressure rinse. This gets the big stuff off of the paint, and also serves to "swell" carnauba based LSP's. Carnauba will swell when hit with water, and it makes it release contaminants easier. So it is a benefit to do the HP rinse prior to step 2.



2. Using a foam cannon and your pressure washer, lay down a good thick layer of CG's CW&G. This is the chemical part. Hopefully, your LSP only has a weak bond to the contaminants, and the CW&G will be able to break those bonds. Let it dwell for as long as you can, but don't let it dry. If it dries, the particles can rebond, sometimes even stronger than before.



3. High pressure rinse. Now that the bonds have been broken chemically, get the contaminants off using the safest method: water.



4. Use forced air to dry. Even the very best touchless wash is going to leave a particle or two (possibly three) on the paint's surface. Grabbing a towel and giving those particles a ride across your paint while drying is not a good idea. I won't *ever* touch the paint with a drying towel (or any drying media) following a touchless wash.



Using the products I do, I am able to get a vehicle as dirty as you have ever seen, and have it come out *COMPLETELY* clean by doing this touchless wash. 99% of the battle is the LSP and soap you chose. Oh, I can see those rebuttal posts coming in right now, but that's OK, I really do stick by that statement. Caveats: your LSP must be properly maintained, and you don't let the contaminants sit on the surface of the car for extended periods of time.



OK, so obviously there are times when a touchless just isn't going to get everything off the paint. So we need to step up the aggressiveness, at the cost of increasing the potential for marring. Most of the time, the cause of a car not coming clean when using a proper touchless wash is due to the LSP getting a bit long in the tooth, or it's completely gone. Or if you let the contaminants sit on the car too long. So if, after doing a touchless wash, the car isn't completely clean, I:



1. High Pressure Rinse. Again, you want to swell your carnauba.



2. Lay down a layer of foam.



4. Fill a five gallon bucket with water, and add your soap to the water after the bucket is full. This will gaurentee *no suds*. Remember, you want to flush the contaminants off of the paint. Suds tend to stay put. Liquid runs off the car, taking the contaminants with it.



5. Dunk your BHB in the bucket, and use sweeping single direction strokes on the car, starting from the roof. As soon as liquid stops running freely from the brush, dunk it back in the bucket. You want *tons* of liquid to flow the contaminants away from the brush, down your car, and to the ground.



Using this method, you have kicked the particles in the butt, and flushed them off of the paint. You can probably visualize the advantage of not having to fight suds.



6. HP rinse



7. Blow dry. Again, try to stay away from drying media.



At this point, you have removed the vast majority of stuff from your paint. If there are *still* contaminants, there's not going to be a lot. Certainly not enough to make an ONR wash risky. If the car still hasn't come completely clean, I'll do an ONR wash at this point. Why didn't I start out with ONR? ONR has it's limits, and it's all about "reducing the potential". IMO, doing the touchless, followed by the BHB, and last resort ONR "reduces the potential" far more than starting with a filthy vehicle and just ONR'ing it.



Really, the whole thing is just a mind set. If you think about getting the stuff off of your car in a way that reduces the potential of that particle to mar the paint, you'll be set. And you'll probably form a new/different opinion about QD'ing, California Dusters, and their ilk.



Did you *really* read all that?? :D



Edit: Yeesh.. almost forgot the most important part... Accumulator was a major source of information and technique. If you haven't read his post on car washing, you are missing out on one of the crown jewel posts on Autopia. The "reducing the potential" concept came from an old post here on Autopia that I can no longer find, nor can I remember the author's name. Basically, this whole post is nothing more than a summary of a bunch of the smart guys on this forum that know their stuff. I just jammed it all into one post.



Wow, epic post! :2thumbs:



Couple of questions: you do mention ONR a few times and basically say that it is an exception to the rule about getting dirt off the paint without trapping it under a wash media. What "voodoo" could ONR possibly have that would seem to defy the laws of physics? ;)



Also, since the LSP appears to play such a large role in your touchless wash method, I was wondering what LSP you use? You make reference to the swelling of carnauba with water, so I assume that you are using a carnauba based LSP?
 
dsms said:
-Pressure wash pre rinse,

-10minute foam dwell,

-re-pressure wash,

-2 bucket wash,

-DI water rinse



Pretty much the same here.



-Pressure wash pre rinse

-Pressure wash w/foam tip

-Let foam dwell a few minutes

-Re-pressure wash

-2 bucket wash

-Spot free rinse



Been washing my new car since 2006 and not a single swirl in the paint and never touched it with a buffer. Just careful washing and good coat of LSP.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Luckily, there are a lot of LSP's that excel in this.



Sup,



Could you give a top 5 or 10 LSP's that excel in easily releasing contaminants based on your research.
 
ONR or my massive inventory of DP Rinseless W&G.

I always wash in my garage. I have a nice 2 1/2 stall

with a floor drain I'm going to finish 2 sides of insulation And

drywall this spring. Then I can wash all year round.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
Wow, epic post! :2thumbs:



Couple of questions: you do mention ONR a few times and basically say that it is an exception to the rule about getting dirt off the paint without trapping it under a wash media. What "voodoo" could ONR possibly have that would seem to defy the laws of physics? ;)



Also, since the LSP appears to play such a large role in your touchless wash method, I was wondering what LSP you use? You make reference to the swelling of carnauba with water, so I assume that you are using a carnauba based LSP?



The voodoo sounds like something from an infomercial: "Polymer Encapsulation". Yeah, it sounds like a bunch of B.S., but it's a tried-and-true technology they've been using in carpet cleaning for quite a while now. A very down-and-dirty (sorry for the bad pun) explanation of "polymer encapsulation": A polymer (plastic, really) surrounds each particle just like water does. The difference: it doesn't let go. In carpet cleaning, the carrier fluid (sometimes water based but also sometimes solvent based) is then allowed to evaporate. This leaves the dirt particles behind, albeit surrounded by plastic, which is then dry vacuumed up. ONR is a much weaker (but appropriately so) form of this type of carpet cleaner. It encapsulates dirt, and reduces it's potential for coming in direct contact with the paint, which of course would cause marring. It does have it's limits, though. I still get nervous when I say this ('cause it goes against conventional wisdom as well as some very well thought of pro detailers around here), but ONR *does* mar. Just not very much. Certainly not enough to prevent even the most anal (read: me) guys from using it with mucho gusto. And no, I haven't tried it as a carpet cleaner..... yet. :)



bert31 said:
Sup,



Could you give a top 5 or 10 LSP's that excel in easily releasing contaminants based on your research.



Rob Tomlin said:
.....the pressure is mounting Supe!



:wavey





Sorry, guys.. I haven't been visiting Autopia as much lately as I used to.



IME, the best LSP's that easily release dirt are... (can I get a drum roll please? No? OK, then...)



Most any carnauba that has a high percentage of carnauba in it. Yup, waxes rule when it comes to ease of cleaning. These are the best, beating out the best-in-category sealants by a ways. I just tried M16 out for the touchless test, and was very impressed. It did take some pretty serious pressure washing, but it did release every bit of dirt. Interestingly, the following washes didn't require getting nearly as jiggy with it; the stuff came off easier. Most of the time, as LSP's wear, they don't release dirt as well as when they are new. M16 appears to get better with a few washes. We'll see how that goes over time...



In the sealant category, it's a close race between 1000P and UPGP. Both release dirt very well when touchless washed. This next spring, I'm going to try and revisit sealants and touchless washes again, as it's been a while since I've tried a lot of the different sealants, and I don't want to give them a bum rap. (If I were to say how some of them tested, I'd probably get flamed, and most of them have had formula updates since I tested them.)



In the hybrid category, the Collinites do a respectable job, with the nod going to IW over 476. FK1 Pink Wax does OK, but not outstanding. I haven't had the bucks to try Fuzion yet.



In the "surprised me how well it worked" category is DWG and D151. DWG is not very durable, but wow, does it come clean easily with a touchless wash! The LSP in 151 is a hybrid (this comes straight from Meguiars), and although its durability truly sucks, it also comes clean quite well.
 
I use between 1 and 2 buckets of GritGuarded ONR water. Since I can't grasp the concept of the 2-bucket method and how a rinse bucket actually helps, I just use 1 GritGuarded ONR bucket most of the time.

Foaming would be fun, but I'm too cheap to spend $40 on a sprayer. And I'm not sure if that actually uses more water or not.
 
My washing steps:



- Use warm, deionized soft water source



- Pre-foamed with citrus wash twice or three times



- Triple bucket wash method with grit guards: New bucket of soap for each driver and passenger side. Use extra car soap than prescribed



- Three wash media for each side: top, middle section, skirt



The extra steps may seem redundant, but I own six vehicles and I could only polish my vehicles once a year each. I do everything necessary to reduce scratches and swirls. Also my cars have extremely hard clear coats. They are a pain in the *** to polish.



If the build-up becomes too severe, I vomit $20 for a touchless car wash before washing the cars myself.





With this washing system I developed, I managed to get away with using just cleaner waxes for two years on two of my vehicles.
 
the_invisible said:
My washing steps...may seem redundant, but I own six vehicles and I could only polish my vehicles once a year each. I do everything necessary to reduce scratches and swirls. Also my cars have extremely hard clear coats. They are a pain in the *** to polish..



That sounds very much like me :xyxthumbs



SuperBee364 said:
...ONR *does* mar. Just not very much. Certainly not enough to prevent even the most anal (read: me) guys from using it with mucho gusto.



Eh, I'd definitely have to do the pressure washer prewashes before I'd ever use it for a regular wash, but then I let most of our vehicles get mighty dirty before I clean them.



With regard to highly abrasive contamination, I still mess up the balancing act between adequate pressure and "oops!". Note that I consider myself awfully conscientious about such stuff too; gently whisking the long strands of an ONR-filled MF mitt across the paint while ONR seeps through, and so on.




I just tried M16 out for the touchless test, and was very impressed. It did take some pretty serious pressure washing, but it did release every bit of dirt. Interestingly, the following washes didn't require getting nearly as jiggy with it; the stuff came off easier. Most of the time, as LSP's wear, they don't release dirt as well as when they are new. M16 appears to get better with a few washes. We'll see how that goes over time...



Huh, in all the years I've used the stuff I never noticed that :think: Probably due to how dirty the A8 tends to get between washes; I'm always having to really *wash* that one. I'll be interested to hear how #16 works out for you long-term.



You try the pseudo-spitshine + machine application yet? Get it right and I think you'll appreciate the subtle diffs it confers, get it wrong and you'll have a "misapplied #16 situation" on your hands.




I've tried a lot of the different sealants, and I don't want to give them a bum rap. (If I were to say how some of them tested, I'd probably get flamed, and most of them have had formula updates since I tested them.)



I put a fresh coat of (admittedly old, v3.0) UPP on the S8 prior to our Thanksgiving trip, during which it was exposed to some pretty nasty conditions, but hey... it was only for a long weekend. Still, I had to *really* work to get the car clean, and I ended up usig a whole lotta Glyde and Sonus green clay. It didn't shed dirt, or resist staining, any better than it resists bug etching when I do the same trip in the summer. That "simple wash" took many hours :hairpull



Yeah, I like using UPP on that car, but man-oh-man it's making me think....
 
SuperBee364 said:
The voodoo sounds like something from an infomercial: "Polymer Encapsulation". Yeah, it sounds like a bunch of B.S., but it's a tried-and-true technology they've been using in carpet cleaning for quite a while now. A very down-and-dirty (sorry for the bad pun) explanation of "polymer encapsulation": A polymer (plastic, really) surrounds each particle just like water does. The difference: it doesn't let go. In carpet cleaning, the carrier fluid (sometimes water based but also sometimes solvent based) is then allowed to evaporate. This leaves the dirt particles behind, albeit surrounded by plastic, which is then dry vacuumed up. ONR is a much weaker (but appropriately so) form of this type of carpet cleaner. It encapsulates dirt, and reduces it's potential for coming in direct contact with the paint, which of course would cause marring. It does have it's limits, though. I still get nervous when I say this ('cause it goes against conventional wisdom as well as some very well thought of pro detailers around here), but ONR *does* mar. Just not very much. Certainly not enough to prevent even the most anal (read: me) guys from using it with mucho gusto. And no, I haven't tried it as a carpet cleaner..... yet. :)













Sorry, guys.. I haven't been visiting Autopia as much lately as I used to.



IME, the best LSP's that easily release dirt are... (can I get a drum roll please? No? OK, then...)



Most any carnauba that has a high percentage of carnauba in it. Yup, waxes rule when it comes to ease of cleaning. These are the best, beating out the best-in-category sealants by a ways. I just tried M16 out for the touchless test, and was very impressed. It did take some pretty serious pressure washing, but it did release every bit of dirt. Interestingly, the following washes didn't require getting nearly as jiggy with it; the stuff came off easier. Most of the time, as LSP's wear, they don't release dirt as well as when they are new. M16 appears to get better with a few washes. We'll see how that goes over time...



In the sealant category, it's a close race between 1000P and UPGP. Both release dirt very well when touchless washed. This next spring, I'm going to try and revisit sealants and touchless washes again, as it's been a while since I've tried a lot of the different sealants, and I don't want to give them a bum rap. (If I were to say how some of them tested, I'd probably get flamed, and most of them have had formula updates since I tested them.)



In the hybrid category, the Collinites do a respectable job, with the nod going to IW over 476. FK1 Pink Wax does OK, but not outstanding. I haven't had the bucks to try Fuzion yet.



In the "surprised me how well it worked" category is DWG and D151. DWG is not very durable, but wow, does it come clean easily with a touchless wash! The LSP in 151 is a hybrid (this comes straight from Meguiars), and although its durability truly sucks, it also comes clean quite well.



Great post SuperBee, I really appreciate it! :up
 
Accumulator said:
That sounds very much like me :xyxthumbs







Eh, I'd definitely have to do the pressure washer prewashes before I'd ever use it for a regular wash, but then I let most of our vehicles get mighty dirty before I clean them.



With regard to highly abrasive contamination, I still mess up the balancing act between adequate pressure and "oops!". Note that I consider myself awfully conscientious about such stuff too; gently whisking the long strands of an ONR-filled MF mitt across the paint while ONR seeps through, and so on.
My favorite ONR media are the MF washing mitts that look like they have dread locks. Lots of surface area, and hardly any"skidding", direct-contact surface area. That last part may be hard to get at first, but think about it.. the amount of surface area from the MF that is in direct contact with the paint, and how it moves over the paint. A "dreadlock" kinda rolls along the paint, while a regular MF slides or skids across it. I'd rather have my MF rolling along it than skidding.







Huh, in all the years I've used the stuff I never noticed that :think: Probably due to how dirty the A8 tends to get between washes; I'm always having to really *wash* that one. I'll be interested to hear how #16 works out for you long-term. So far, so good. I do agree that it was a bit odd that the first touchless wash didn't go was well as subsequent washes. Might have mixed the CW&G a bit weak or something. Dunno.



You try the pseudo-spitshine + machine application yet? Get it right and I think you'll appreciate the subtle diffs it confers, get it wrong and you'll have a "misapplied #16 situation" on your hands.
I do like to Spitshine my 'nubas, but I have yet to try it with machine application. I remember reading a post by you about a terrible mess M16 left you and how hard it was to get off. Kinda scared me off from trying that particular method. ;) So I kinda cheat. Instaed of doing a real sptishine, I just spray very cold distilled water on the paint after final wipedown, and use it as a QD. Really gives the wax an extra pop.







I put a fresh coat of (admittedly old, v3.0) UPP on the S8 prior to our Thanksgiving trip, during which it was exposed to some pretty nasty conditions, but hey... it was only for a long weekend. Still, I had to *really* work to get the car clean, and I ended up usig a whole lotta Glyde and Sonus green clay. It didn't shed dirt, or resist staining, any better than it resists bug etching when I do the same trip in the summer. That "simple wash" took many hours :hairpull



Yeah, I like using UPP on that car, but man-oh-man it's making me think....



Yeah, overall, the sealants just don't quite like touchless washes like the waxes, but 1000P and UPGP both do a pretty decent job.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
Can someone explain what they mean by "spit shine" as applied to carnauba's?



It is my understanding and practice that "Spit-Shining" is when Carnauba or Sealant is removed with a spritz of QD or Sealant Spray. That is what I've done in the past, but I could have been doing it wrong. Works well for me.



And by this I mean I apply the wax or sealant and wait for it to haze. I then Spritz (Mist) a panel with QD or Sealant Spray. I then work it in and keep rubbing/wiping away until buffed clear off.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
Can someone explain what they mean by "spit shine" as applied to carnauba's?



When you spit shine shoes, (or at least, when *I* spit shine shoes.. which I do, since I have to wear nice shoes for my job), I dab the end of a cotton rag on my tongue, then swirl it in the Kiwi shoe polish (which is mostly carnauba wax, btw), then rub it vigorously on the shoe leather. Initially, the leather looks dull. But keep at it, and you'll eventually hit a shine that you had no idea wax was capable of reaching. You cut down on the spit/wax ratio as time goes on, using less wax and more spit until you're pretty much just putting spit on the shoe. The result is far, far better than a "regular" spitless shine.



Again, there are different takes on how to do this, both on shoes and car wax, but I do a similar method when I'm doing a real "spit shine" application of a 'nuba on a car. Start out with a damp applicator, and apply cold distilled water along with the wax, and *really* rubbing it in. You'll end up going over the same real estate many times, each time decreasing the wax/water ratio. Keep doing this until you're just applying (very little) water. You'll also decrease pressure until you're using very little pressure on your final rub. When you're done, there should be little to no wax residue to wipe off. Make no mistake about it: doing a *real* spit shine 'nuba application is *HARD* work if you do it using my method. And if you mess up, you can end up with waxy streaks that take an act of God to remove.



I believe Accumulator does this process with a PC, which would *dramatically* cut down on the work involved, of course. I haven't tried it with a PC yet, as I'm scared to death that I'll end up getting the Waxy Streaks of Doom.



Using cold distilled water as a QD after a regular wax application will pop the shine a bit, but it still won't be as glossy as a true spit shine.



The best way to try this is on a small section of your car. Like the horizontal surface of a front quarter panel.



Give it a shot sometime. As long as you're using a very high percentage carnauba wax, you'll get a fantastic gloss.



Even though the above is a pretty accurate description of how to do a spit shine, it's one of those processes that requires finesse and feel; just following instructions verbatim does not guarantee good results. You kinda have to do it a few times, get good results and bad results, interpret them, and make adjustments. Kinda like machine polishing, really. But once you get it down, a spit shine application can give you one of those "Wow, that *really* looks good!" moments.
 
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