Have Click N Brags "Jumped the Shark"???????

gmblack3 said:
Oh yes, the good ole days. I miss doing the live videos too. They where at time challenging, trying to answer questions and keeping the R/O moving. I did receive some what you might call negative feedback, some fellow detailers thought I was crazy for possibility subjecting myself to criticism from others and giving away techniques. So either I was brave, stupid or did not give a crap. :) I would do it again in a heartbeat.
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Those good ole days are soon coming back. Stay tuned. Just got the ok to move forward with that.
 
Mush-Mouth said:
Speaking of people not responding to praise in threads, there's one about the DuPont detailers that was posted and only 1 person <Barry> replied in it. Almost everytime I looked to see who was on, there was 1 or 2 of these chosen ones viewing the thread too. And there were people asking questions to these detailers also that for some reason are being ignored. Oh well, they'll just keep posting their click n brags I guess because they're just toooooo busy for us normal people.
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After reading thru the whole thread I will comment.............now I could of commented quoting quite a few of you who frankly need a verbal spanking and as you all know I am well capable.



Here it is in a nutshell, this is a "CAR ENTHUSIAST/DETAILERS centric site" and yes you can learn from products used and the ways they were utilized to a point....example if a 5 star chef told you to replicate his recipe for a meal(A elaborate one) and ALL the ingredients were there to be used could you make the meal the same as the 5 star chef??............. we all SHOULD know the answer for this one. In the past I shared my ENTIRE process and that is undisputed............. but stopped after the attack of "Crazy Andy" (In my opinion of course) and this has been chronicled over and over and over and over and over and over.



I am a carguy first....love cars, want to see nice cars in their best condition or else how and why would I still be doing this trade at a advanced age for this trade?, now my online persona is aggressive at times(Like now) but those who know me know this I am devoid of ego(Eyes are rolling........but then why do you post the exact type of click & brag we are complaining about then if it is not ego...)and tell the truth (Most of the time lol) and treat people with respect at all times until they disrespect me then "Watch out".



The "Haterade" at times gets to be a little much, does Paul Dalton share all his steps???, he will when he is talking about a product he is endorsing and yes I had my unfortunate time with Gloss-it and moved on with the quickness and disclosed all, there are some(Well one particular person) who we all know likes to be the authority about sharing products and techniques but that person is doing it for profit make no mistake and when I comment on something it matters and I have personally used the product/tecnique in question as opposed to utilizing SOMEONEs knowledge other than their own.



When I started there was no "Detailing forum" or guy to call(As I am for many and it would be nice if some of the guys I help all the time would chime in on that particular point about now).....where is the desire to learn and do research on your own?, pony up and go to SEMA like I do every year and speak with the paint companies and detailing product companies to see what is new and verify claims. How about getting in the garage for some personal R&D and play with the products? instead of being a "Point & click weenie? and how many of you who are not pro'swould be fine with me calling you at your job and asking dozens of questions about your job? with no compensation to boot................ as I charge a certain rate per hour to my clients what is the difference here??.



Lastly as it pertains to the quoted member above...................The Du Pont ads was a participant advertising thing, not a "Chosen as the holy grail I am better than you newbie detailer alliance" which is how people who were not involved in the collective presented it as if we were "Picked by Du Pont himself" list of detailers(BTW anyone can do a Du Pont add, but pony up the cash..lot's of it) so the "Haterade" stops me not, and if I get one view or a thousand I know and we all know the work performed was "Tightness" and done with integrity as this stuff is just as "Catty" as room full of attractive women who see a "Smoking hot" gal walk in and say something like "Look at her dress..............looks like a Walmart bough outfit"............. or "her hair is the wrong shade, what was she thinking?" meanwhile EVERY guy in the room is speechless............... = SCOREBOARD.
 
I have posted pics of some of my details in the C&B section. As a career firefighter, my detailing is strictly a part time venture. A tip of my leather helmet goes to those who detail at the Autopian level for a living.



I enjoy reading the click and brag threads on many of the detail forums that I frequent... I for one would like to see it continue. I have learned a lot about tools, techniques and product innovations from the forum.



I have attended detail seminars in my area in an attempt to learn more. I would love the opportunity to spend a day as an observer with some of you, but I would never call and ask for advice as some have done with Bob Willis. His time is valuable, and I don't blame him for getting angry with those who are inconsiderate.
 
Auto Concierge said:




(As I am for many and it would be nice if some of the guys I help all the time would chime in on that particular point about now)
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I'll be the first to admit that I've asked Bob a couple of questions via PM and have always received a courteous and prompt reply. I think PM should be the first contact step when you want to ask a question anyway. It doesn't clutter up a post with questions some might already know the answer to, and it lets the pros who do this for a living continue to make that living, instead of being bothered while they are trying to work.
 
Not trying to derail the thread here. With the mention of actually contacting a detailer for advise brought to my mind that many times members of various forums have posted questions about either products or techniques. I have offered numerous times to let them come by and try out a machine or product before making a purchase for something thats below their expectations. As of today not one member has taken me up on a offer. Would you think this is because of my lack of standing in the detailing community or people being dubious of the offer ? I personally think it's a shame since there is so much to be learned by networking among those of us that are like-minded. I know that I have personally traveled all over the state and as far as Dallas to take advantage of such offers to me. I have always tried to treat others as I would care to be treated. So am I crazy or ? ?
 
hotrod66paul said:
Not trying to derail the thread here. With the mention of actually contacting a detailer for advise brought to my mind that many times members of various forums have posted questions about either products or techniques. I have offered numerous times to let them come by and try out a machine or product before making a purchase for something thats below their expectations. As of today not one member has taken me up on a offer. Would you think this is because of my lack of standing in the detailing community or people being dubious of the offer ? I personally think it's a shame since there is so much to be learned by networking among those of us that are like-minded. I know that I have personally traveled all over the state and as far as Dallas to take advantage of such offers to me. I have always tried to treat others as I would care to be treated. So am I crazy or ? ?
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You're not crazy, but to be realistic, there are those who cannot afford to travel long distances out of state or take the time off in order to do so.
 
Auto Concierge said:




When I started there was no "Detailing forum" or guy to call(As I am for many and it would be nice if some of the guys I help all the time would chime in on that particular point about now).....where is the desire to learn and do research on your own?, pony up and go to SEMA like I do every year and speak with the paint companies and detailing product companies to see what is new and verify claims. How about getting in the garage for some personal R&D and play with the products? instead of being a "Point & click weenie? and how many of you who are not pro'swould be fine with me calling you at your job and asking dozens of questions about your job? with no compensation to boot................ as I charge a certain rate per hour to my clients what is the difference here??.
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I agree with Bob, I did a lot of reading before even considering buy a product. Then I would find what technique works for me by trying it out on my car, before using it on customers. I just can't go by what Bob or others said..



for example Bob is a big man vs me little man, when Bob said light pressure on DA polisher ( his arm is about 2X bigger than mine) so If I go by what Bob said, I wouldn't get the same results....+ his location is warmer than my location... so product may react differently....



My point is read up on detailing, advance on you just learn, and be a leader.... think outside the box



BTW every thread I ever posted always end with " any comments or questions are welcome " so fire away if you do :)
 
does that mean you checked out my latest detail????? It is a DD. :D:D:D



Accumulator said:
Ya know..I'm actually more likely to check out C&Bs about daily drivers as opposed to exotics. I'm a *huge* fan of beater-car details!
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OverTimeDetail said:
I agree with Bob, I did a lot of reading before even considering buy a product. Then I would find what technique works for me by trying it out on my car, before using it on customers. I just can't go by what Bob or others said..



for example Bob is a big man vs me little man, when Bob said light pressure on DA polisher ( his arm is about 2X bigger than mine) so If I go by what Bob said, I wouldn't get the same results....+ his location is warmer than my location... so product may react differently....



My point is read up on detailing, advance on you just learn, and be a leader.... think outside the box



BTW every thread I ever posted always end with " any comments or questions are welcome " so fire away if you do :)
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I'm an enthusiast and helped some in our local forum. I wouldn't remember half of what I've read if not for the learning process like OTD's up there ^^. This also helps recall info of similar, relevant, useful products I didn't even use. Even the duds have a place in my memory.



I really appreciate C&Bs narrated with product and process, and check light shots :)
 
Mush-Mouth said:
Unless all of you got together to plan the ad, it came down to being chosen.



What I don't like is it getting publicized here and a bunch of people congradulate your group out of respect and only one person has the decency to acknowledge it. I'm sorry, but I was raised to gives thanks when people give me props. For your group to spend the money on this ad and not pay credit where credit is due does not sit well for me. Is it that hard to just say thanks?
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I wonder if people think that the OP for a C&B should acknowledge all comments.
 
Mush-Mouth said:
Unless all of you got together to plan the ad, it came down to being chosen.



What I don't like is it getting publicized here and a bunch of people congradulate your group out of respect and only one person has the decency to acknowledge it. I'm sorry, but I was raised to gives thanks when people give me props. For your group to spend the money on this ad and not pay credit where credit is due does not sit well for me. Is it that hard to just say thanks?
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Chosen by whom??, it was networking amongst several guys who thought it would be better exposure for our business goals. When you assume facts not in evidence and then when that someone (Moi) who clarifies what/who/where and you still assume other traits(Arrogance/ungratefulness) because all of us in the collective add did not post a three paragraph "Thank you all" is not our/my problem as some of us do post when we can but also are "Busy" running our services.



How this thread about click & brags turned into "Bob Willis and the other guys in the add did not acknowledge my comment" shows exactly where you are coming from and are bent for what reason I can only imagine, and do you really get upset when you comment on someones post and they do not acknowledge you??, if that is the case almost every click & brag should have guys upset because they were not thanked.



This stuff boils down to one thing and one thing only, if someone even if there reasons are valid does not share every little thing they do in their business with someone who asks them......that guy is "Arrogant" and thinks he is the "Poo" etc, etc. I have shared and put on the forums common sense tips out there from time to time but this entitlement attitude in the "Computer age" where everything is instant results makes for lazy people who will not take the effort to get off their collective butt and dig out the knowledge they want and/or need.........last time I checked a "Ivy league" education cost quite a bit and are those institutions of higher learning "Arrogant" for not putting that knowledge out for free??, of course not as you want to play you have to pay.
 
Back to the original question, I think it is just saturation.



There are so many C&B's on so many forums and there is only so much time to look at them all let alone comment on them. There are many many nice write ups and whether the photo's rep the true work or not who knows but does not matter in regards to DF's statement as it adds to the volume of unique threads.



I personally think many are too image intensive but if the purpose is to show off work for yourself or a customer then that is all that matters. If the C&B poster is looking for comments/props views then they will have to compete with all the other threads. I do not think segregating posts is right unless someone is willing to pay for that right but each forum owner gets to decide that.
 
Forums are free for members to use, and unless a guy is paying for training or advice, he should not be upset if a member chooses not to share his "secrets" with the world.



I enjoy seeing a variety of write-up styles, so whether the pictures are few or plentiful does not always matter. A beginner can post a few pics and paragraphs, and I can just about feel his excitement through the write-up. Other guys are a bit standoffish in their responses, and at times come across as snobbish or busy (and even that seems intentional... the man o' few words type), so I may make a mental note of that, and perhaps not look at his write-ups the next time.



That being said... if there happens to be a ridiculous amount of pics of the swirls, I tend to scroll through the write-up.

I get it- the paint is a mess, and you have a kick-*** camera. Save it for the money shots.

A really good before shot, and a stunning after shot, not 10 & 10 of the same spot!



Admittedly, something has changed in regards to my desire to read the click and brags. I still enjoy a good debate about the mechanics of things, so I look for those threads big-time. Then again, if I was new to this forum, or I wanted to learn more about a specific car, product, technique, or detailer, I would likely read more cnb's. The fact is, I just can't spend as much time as I'd like to reading and posting... at least for the last couple of years. I'd like to, as a lot of the write-ups are written by guys I know, guys I respect, guys that purchase from me, and guys that read my posts!



I remember being a bit leery of posting on autopia, and it was not so long ago. I can only imagine the anxiety some guys must feel when they post for the first time, especially on this forum. The thought of riling up a guy, only to have a few of his friends come after you via rapid posts, can stop you from posting in the first place. The thing is, if posts are written respectfully, they generally are received quite well. I mention that it would be especially intimidating here, as autopia seems to be very loosely moderated. This is good if you are an old pro, but may not be so good if you are new to the detailing scene.



Even though this forum is owned by Tunch (3D/UNO), he does not blow a gasket every time we discuss another brand. He does not forbid or eliminate posts, threads, and links. Disallowed links almost always tends to be a deal breaker, and for good reason (site optimization as well as bridges to competitive sites). Heck- if I ever decide to build my own forum, I doubt I'll even allow links to outside vendors!



Here at autopia, we can pretty much write what we want, so long as it is not an obvious take-over of the site to promote a competing product or brand.



There are many detailing forums vying for posts and threads nowadays. Seems obvious that if you buy from Joe's Wax Hut, you'll post on Joe's Wax Hut Forum. AG and their stable of forums have pulled a lot of guys to their sites, because a lot of guys buy from them. Plus, they are on the cutting-edge of marketing... how-to videos, TV shows, books, et al. Tough to compete with all that!



Then there are smaller forums with loyal members. Live2Detail, Detailing Bliss, and MeguiarsOnline for instance.

Optimum and Mother's and several other companies have forums, too. Some guys that used to post here now only post there.



How to build this forum.... good question. In the meantime, keep posting those C&B's!
 
I use to post click and brags as a way to say "see how i"m doing" and now its more for my present or potential clients to see my work in progress and build creditibilty.



I think you leave the C&B alone let it run its course, allow people to do as they choose. This forum as always self regulated by the members and 3D has allowed that even more so.



The time needed to do a proper click and brag is HUGE HUGE HUGE and so I do far fewer now days as I have so many irons in the fire.



I like the idea of a HOW to section where members show their methods/ideas for addressing a problem: Deep extraction of carpets, Cleaning Aniline Leather, Removal of emblems........



Cheers,

GREG
 
thomasdekany said:
does that mean you checked out my latest detail????? It is a DD. :D:D:D
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I guess not, or you'd have seen some kind of comment on it :o



Heh heh, I'm guessing that the DD in question was an exotic, huh? Eh, I'm weird when it comes to which vehicles do/don't interest me.
 
Accumulator said:
Eh, I'm weird when it comes to which vehicles do/don't interest me.
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Do you know what I have noticed on other fourms? What gets attention are G35s, 335s, S2000s and WRXs. Exotics do too, of course but it seems the mid-priced performance cars that most people can afford or want to buy when they can afford one get the love.
 
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