Godspeed Paris

Bunky said:
Definitely. I am sure we are spending a lot trying to buy information and need to do more. Whomever is selling them all those Toyota trucks is making a lot of money.
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Al, we got 50 people there. That's it. No special ops guys who actually know what they are doing.
 
What we can hope for is that we do not know - what we have there, so as to not give the enemy any help, so that when it comes it will be a big surprise...

That little weenie-girly-man-Snowden did not help any of our intelligence efforts with his pathetic act of treason, so there has to be an opportunity to get back in there again and open up extra Eyes on the ground..
I hope that Coward gets back over here someday so he can stand in front of a firing squad..
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
What we can hope for is that we do not know - what we have there, so as to not give the enemy any help, so that when it comes it will be a big surprise...
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For the foreseeable future, I am betting we've got nothing planned except throwing some bombs around, to make the appearance we are doing something.
 
House of Wax said:
I honestly believe there are millions of Muslims that are good people. .
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1.6 billion Muslims on the planet and you're willing to give a few million the benefit of the doubt. How very big of you. We are talking about 25,000-30,000 ISIL/ISIS/DASH fighters. And it is the Muslim's that are really the main victims of ISIS. Stuff like Paris is happening everyday in Syria/Iraq.

Okay all you tough guys sitting at your PC's that have it all figured out, easy peasy right?

So which of the 12-15 different factions fighting in Syria/Iraq should we support? The one's fighting Assad? The one's fighting ISIS? The one's fighting other factions? Do we team up with Iran to fight ISIS because they are the one's that have been doing most of the work up until now? Do we try to put Assad back in power or help to overthrow him? What about how Iran treats the Kurds when the Kurds have been carrying a heavy burden in this fight? How about how Turkey has treated the Kurds when they claimed to be fighting ISIS?


All these borders were drawn by Britain and France after they gave up their colonial control. None of these country borders unified common people (based mainly on religious sects). Ex. that is why the Kurdish territory is part Turkey, Irag and Iran and the Shiite territory is part Iraq, Iran and Syria and the Sunni's mainly in the countries around these. But they are never going to be able to redraw the borders to encompass common people because no territory will willingly give up the oil resources.

You can't forcefully change the mindset of people, especially these guys. It will take a change in mindset of all the other Muslims to change this. The liberal and moderate Muslims will need to come forth and speak out. Unfortunately they are probably in jail, dead or terrified in these battled countries. The rest of the Muslim world needs to speak out against how Islam is being perverted to justify the goals of these groups.
 
DBAILEY said:
1.6 billion Muslims on the planet and you're willing to give a few million the benefit of the doubt. How very big of you. We are talking about 25,000-30,000 ISIL/ISIS/DASH fighters. And it is the Muslim's that are really the main victims of ISIS. Stuff like Paris is happening everyday in Syria/Iraq.

Okay all you tough guys sitting at your PC's that have it all figured out, easy peasy right?

So which of the 12-15 different factions fighting in Syria/Iraq should we support? The one's fighting Assad? The one's fighting ISIS? The one's fighting other factions? Do we team up with Iran to fight ISIS because they are the one's that have been doing most of the work up until now? Do we try to put Assad back in power or help to overthrow him? What about how Iran treats the Kurds when the Kurds have been carrying a heavy burden in this fight? How about how Turkey has treated the Kurds when they claimed to be fighting ISIS?


All these borders were drawn by Britain and France after they gave up their colonial control. None of these country borders unified common people (based mainly on religious sects). Ex. that is why the Kurdish territory is part Turkey, Irag and Iran and the Shiite territory is part Iraq, Iran and Syria and the Sunni's mainly in the countries around these. But they are never going to be able to redraw the borders to encompass common people because no territory will willingly give up the oil resources.

You can't forcefully change the mindset of people, especially these guys. It will take a change in mindset of all the other Muslims to change this. The liberal and moderate Muslims will need to come forth and speak out. Unfortunately they are probably in jail, dead or terrified in these battled countries. The rest of the Muslim world needs to speak out against how Islam is being perverted to justify the goals of these groups.
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So following your logic, I can gather that you are an avid supporter of the NRA and pro gun ownership. Since the millions of legal gun owners are safe, careful non violent individuals.
 
DBAILEY said:
1.6 billion Muslims on the planet and you're willing to give a few million the benefit of the doubt. How very big of you. We are talking about 25,000-30,000 ISIL/ISIS/DASH fighters. And it is the Muslim's that are really the main victims of ISIS. Stuff like Paris is happening everyday in Syria/Iraq.

Okay all you tough guys sitting at your PC's that have it all figured out, easy peasy right?

So which of the 12-15 different factions fighting in Syria/Iraq should we support? The one's fighting Assad? The one's fighting ISIS? The one's fighting other factions? Do we team up with Iran to fight ISIS because they are the one's that have been doing most of the work up until now? Do we try to put Assad back in power or help to overthrow him? What about how Iran treats the Kurds when the Kurds have been carrying a heavy burden in this fight? How about how Turkey has treated the Kurds when they claimed to be fighting ISIS?


All these borders were drawn by Britain and France after they gave up their colonial control. None of these country borders unified common people (based mainly on religious sects). Ex. that is why the Kurdish territory is part Turkey, Irag and Iran and the Shiite territory is part Iraq, Iran and Syria and the Sunni's mainly in the countries around these. But they are never going to be able to redraw the borders to encompass common people because no territory will willingly give up the oil resources.

You can't forcefully change the mindset of people, especially these guys. It will take a change in mindset of all the other Muslims to change this. The liberal and moderate Muslims will need to come forth and speak out. Unfortunately they are probably in jail, dead or terrified in these battled countries. The rest of the Muslim world needs to speak out against how Islam is being perverted to justify the goals of these groups.
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I'm pretty sure everyone got the point when I said millions.....well, except for you. Yes, the main line fighters might be 25-30k, but their support system and sympathizers add to that number significantly. As far as I'm concerned they're just as guilty.

In any case, your rant pretty much backs the idea of my post. The good muslims are the ones that need to take care of this problem. Nobody else can do it for them.
 
DBAILEY said:
1.6 billion Muslims on the planet and you're willing to give a few million the benefit of the doubt. How very big of you. We are talking about 25,000-30,000 ISIL/ISIS/DASH fighters. And it is the Muslim's that are really the main victims of ISIS. Stuff like Paris is happening everyday in Syria/Iraq.
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There were 80 million Nazis in Germany. Except back then, nobody cared to think of any of them as "good Nazis" or "bad Nazis". They were just "Nazis" and needed to be crushed.

Quite frankly, I don't care what Muslims or Isis is doing in Syria or Iraq. Those countries are our enemies.

DBAILEY said:
Okay all you tough guys sitting at your PC's that have it all figured out, easy peasy right?

So which of the 12-15 different factions fighting in Syria/Iraq should we support? The one's fighting Assad? The one's fighting ISIS? The one's fighting other factions? Do we team up with Iran to fight ISIS because they are the one's that have been doing most of the work up until now? Do we try to put Assad back in power or help to overthrow him? What about how Iran treats the Kurds when the Kurds have been carrying a heavy burden in this fight? How about how Turkey has treated the Kurds when they claimed to be fighting ISIS?
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No, not easy - it will be very difficult. Who in Syria should we support? Nobody. Could we really trust any of them?

DBAILEY said:
All these borders were drawn by Britain and France after they gave up their colonial control. None of these country borders unified common people (based mainly on religious sects). Ex. that is why the Kurdish territory is part Turkey, Irag and Iran and the Shiite territory is part Iraq, Iran and Syria and the Sunni's mainly in the countries around these. But they are never going to be able to redraw the borders to encompass common people because no territory will willingly give up the oil resources.
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Who cares about their borders or their religious sects? The oil needs to be under Western control. I'd go in there; destroy there infrastructure, utilities, and ability to distribute water. Then make all there women take off their burkas and wear skirts.

DBAILEY said:
You can't forcefully change the mindset of people, especially these guys. It will take a change in mindset of all the other Muslims to change this. The liberal and moderate Muslims will need to come forth and speak out. Unfortunately they are probably in jail, dead or terrified in these battled countries. The rest of the Muslim world needs to speak out against how Islam is being perverted to justify the goals of these groups.
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You can forcefully change the mind set of people - if things get bad enough for them. Once Berlin was flattened and the Russians had it locked down - how many people were waving flags with swastikas on them? None. They were all crapping their pants and burning their SS uniforms and saying nein Nazi.
 
Swanicyouth --

Who cares about their borders or their religious sects? The oil needs to be under Western control. I'd go in there; destroy there infrastructure, utilities, and ability to distribute water. Then make all there women take off their burkas and wear skirts

You are killing me !!! :) :) :)
Dan F
 
O'Reilly on Fox News had a Muslim guy on his show last night, and he told him that if the Muslims really care and want to do something to protest these Muslim Terrorists, they should do a Million Muslim Man March in Washington DC...

No takers to the advice...

No one can ever decipher which group of this people is the good, the bad, or the ugly, there or anywhere.. Sorry, Clint Eastwood, I had to say that.. :)

In every war, in Vietnam, for example, the very people who looked normal, worked their rice paddies, etc., during the day, were so happy to go into the tunnels at night, and come out of them to kill you..

And it is correct, we didnt try to separate the good Nazi's from the bad, and there probably were good and bad... And millions of Jews alone were killed and left for dead in camps..
If they wore the uniform, and you had the drop on them, they were going down..

I dont recall anything extra going on when Japan started it up either..
And we even took the Japanese people in America and placed them in camps until the war was over..
And yes, many of these men who were Americans, went to war against their countrymen in the Army, etc.

And finally, the A-Bombs took the will to fight out of these people, and we all got back on track again..
War is hell, no mistaking that fact...
There will always be collateral damage - thousands of innocent people and about every place in Europe was bombed or damaged in the war against Hitler alone, right?

We can over think this, debate it, feel bad about all the innocent lives that are lost over there when we and our Allies make air strikes, etc., but the fact remains that until we remove the people that are agitating, planning, fronting guns and money, and killing innocent people, - out of this world -, it appears that they are never going to want to stop...
Dan F
 
We will trust 10,000 + un-vetted "refugees, but they won't trust me with a high capacity magazine anymore...
 
Dunno if this is 100% accurate - but my GF just told me Syrian refugees aren't allowed in NJ - but they are allowed in PA.

Lucky me.

She also tells me she isn't comfortable going to concerts or out to dinner in Center City (Philadelphia) right now.
 
If a muslim went into a school, theater, or church and killed people, we would hear I told you so but if some non-muslim nut does it we are told them they should have been better armed so they can protect themselves.
 
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