Godspeed Paris

How much warning did those totally innocent civilians get in Paris ?

Reading this stuff makes my blood boil. This is war I think the WH forgets the point it to take out the bad guys so they don't come back ever and mess with you.

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White House Gave ISIS 45 Minute Warning Before Bombing Oil Tankers

Why did it take 15 months for the U.S. to target the Islamic State's oil infrastructure?


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All the bombing going on in the area is creating more terrorists as well as killing the ones intended. I am sure this is behind the warning on bombings. The Russians are now learning the consequences of this with the downing of the airliner. We probably had not been targeting infrastructure because once the situation settles down the survivors will need something for revenue. We wasted a fortune fixing Iraq's infrastructure trying to build goodwill. Also, I believe they have a hard time with Turkey (a NATO member no less) who want Assad gone and profit from the oil.

Obama's comment about ISIS contained was had timing just like Bush's mission accomplished. ISIS is not expanding much now militarily but they are morphing on other ways.
 
All the bombing going on in the area is creating more terrorists as well as killing the ones intended. I am sure this is behind the warning on bombings. The Russians are now learning the consequences of this with the downing of the airliner. We probably had not been targeting infrastructure because once the situation settles down the survivors will need something for revenue. We wasted a fortune fixing Iraq's infrastructure trying to build goodwill. Also, I believe they have a hard time with Turkey (a NATO member no less) who want Assad gone and profit from the oil.

Obama's comment about ISIS contained was had timing just like Bush's mission accomplished. ISIS is not expanding much now militarily but they are morphing on other ways.

Where to begin............. ?

The official reason for not targeting the oil was not to create an environmental problem.

As far as "warnings" go the official stance was maybe the drivers are no isis members, and not to kill civilians.

As far as the "contained comments, he said it twice. Once before paris, then again during the calif attack...... I do believe that bush only said mission accomplished once.

I do find it funny that all I hear is well, he did this, or he did that, so it's ok if our guy/girl does this.


isis is contained
al queda is descimated
Detroit is alive
 
So about that top notch vetting process......

Secret US Policy Blocks Agents From Looking at Social Media of Visa Applicants, Former Official Says - ABC News


Fearing a civil liberties backlash and "bad public relations" for the Obama administration, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson refused in early 2014 to end a secret U.S. policy that prohibited immigration officials from reviewing the social media messages of all foreign citizens applying for U.S. visas, a former senior department official said.
"During that time period immigration officials were not allowed to use or review social media as part of the screening process," John Cohen, a former acting under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis. Cohen is now a national security consultant for ABC News.
One current and one former senior counter-terrorism official confirmed Cohen's account about the refusal of DHS to change its policy about the public social media posts of all foreign applicants.


ABC News that months after Cohen left, in the fall of 2014, the Department began three pilot programs to include social media in vetting, but current officials say that it is still not a widespread policy. A review of the broader policy is already underway, the DHS said. The revelation comes as members of Congress question why U.S. officials failed to review the social media posts of San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik. She received a U.S. visa in May 2014, despite what the FBI said were extensive social media messages about jihad and martyrdom.
Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., demanded Sunday that the U.S. immediately initiate a program that would check the social media sites of those admitted on visas."
"Had they checked out Tashfeen Malik," the senator said, "maybe those people in San Bernardino would be alive."
Former DHS under-secretary Cohen said he and others pressed hard for just such a policy change in 2014 that would allow a review of publicly-posted social media messages as terror group followers increasingly used Twitter and Facebook to show their allegiance to a variety of jihadist groups.
Cohen said officials from United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) both pressed for a change in policy.
"Immigration, security, law enforcement officials recognized at the time that it was important to more extensively review public social media postings because they offered potential insights into whether somebody was an extremist or potentially connected to a terrorist organization or a supporter of the movement," said Cohen, who left DHS in June 2014.
Cohen said the issue reached a head at a heated 2014 meeting chaired by Homeland Security Deputy Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, other top deputies and representatives of the DHS Office of Civil Liberties and the Office of Privacy.
"The primary concern was that it would be viewed negatively if it was disclosed publicly and there were concerns that it would be embarrassing," Cohen said in an interview broadcast on "Good Morning America" today.
Cohen said he and others were deeply disappointed that the senior leadership would not approve a review of what were publicly-posted online messages.
"There is no excuse for not using every resource at our disposal to fully vet individuals before they come to the United States," Cohen said.
A former senior counter-terrorism official, who participated in the 2014 discussion, said, "Why the State Department and Homeland Security Department have not leveraged the power of social media is beyond me."
"They felt looking at public postings [of foreign U.S. visa applicants] was an invasion of their privacy," the official told ABC News. "The arguments being made were, and are still, in bad faith."
Cohen said the disclosures by Edward Snowden about National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance policies fed concern of bad public relations that would affect the U.S. government's standing with civil rights groups and European allies.
"It was primarily a question of optics," said Cohen. "There were concerns from a privacy and civil liberties perspective that while this was not illegal, that it would be viewed negatively if it was disclosed publicly."
Cohen said he and others were deeply troubled by the decision.
"If we don't look and don't review, we don't know," he said.
Officials said that because Malik used a pseudonym in her online messages, it is not clear that her support for terror groups would have become known even if the U.S. conducted a full review of her online traffic.
DHS's Catron told ABC News the Department is "actively considering additional ways to incorporate the use of social media review in its various vetting programs," while keeping an eye on privacy concerns.
"The Department will continue to ensure that any use of social media in its vetting program is consistent with current law and appropriately takes into account civil rights and civil liberties and privacy protections," Catron said.
 
"they felt looking at public postings [of foreign u.s. Visa applicants] was an invasion of their privacy," the official told abc news. "the arguments being made were, and are still, in bad faith."

dhs's catron told abc news the department is "actively considering additional ways to incorporate the use of social media review in its various vetting programs," while keeping an eye on privacy concerns.
"the department will continue to ensure that any use of social media in its vetting program is consistent with current law and appropriately takes into account civil rights and civil liberties and privacy protections," catron said.


wow
 
As far as I'm concerned, in a war, there is no, repeat, no privacy or concerns about it..

The task at hand is to find the source and eliminate it quickly, and before anyone finds out you are doing this..

In a really big war the absolute first thing you do is disrupt all - all - communications means - of the enemy..

So sorry, all those who are so addicted to their little self-absorbed lives and worlds, your social media life may have to go down for a bit, ok ?
I am amazed every day that all the social media on the internet, AND the internet that these cowardly men in dresses use every day is supplied by who ???? Yeah, sad, huh...

No media wagging their tongues incessantly, no debates, you just go in and do the job...

All the complaining, whining, hand wringing, reporting of military movements on TV so the enemy could just tune in and get them, has only made it harder for the people that actually have signed and raised their hands to the square to take the risk, even harder than ever...

And the most ironic of all is that all the above whiners, complainers, hand wringers, compromisers of classified information, have never even come close to the smell of gun powder in the air.. Never had the extreme pleasure of spending almost a year on the front lines as those incredibly brave, heroic, willing to sacrifice all, men who parachuted into Normandy or worse yet, stormed the beaches around there, under absolutely zeroed in hellacious, machine gun and artillery fire..

Perhaps some need to even grasp the idea that in a full on war, there are really no "rights" as we know them, and everyone is subject to facing a "lights out" moment at any time..

And no one is worried about "antagonizing" the bad guys so they will get mad and go do something really bad - they already have !!!
That's why we are there !!! Or, in this most troubling time, we should just be there...

The huge "gift" from the over-educated is not always that great and historically, because so many of these people actually think they got all this without any help and are all puffed up in their minds about it, it will many times be very flawed - Life Lesson - 1.. :)
Dan F
 
Take it from one who has been there and has a first hand experience with the general population, at least, in Iraq. First, there really isn't an infrastructure to destroy because one really hasn't been developed. I once saw a lady through my night vision pee in a bucket in her front yard, only to come out later to go #2 in the same bucket, and she "cleaned" herself with the same water through splashing. Secondly, they don't care to make peace with people who look white...wait..lets not go there. Instead I will tell you if we keep letting them in, sooner rather than later, you will have to listen to their mosque music that they blare every few hours. Trust me, it will drive you mad. They are mad in both ways--angry and crazy-like at the same time. I don't blame them: Their religion sucks, and the sun is just too intense over there. Honestly, It felt like bugs were biting my skin on my shaven head in just minutes after removing my head gear. Just remember this: NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS. If there are too many of them here we WILL have a problem. Trump's right, shut the border on these people.
 
Take it from one who has been there and has a first hand experience with the general population, at least, in Iraq. First, there really isn't an infrastructure to destroy because one really hasn't been developed. I once saw a lady through my night vision pee in a bucket in her front yard, only to come out later to go #2 in the same bucket, and she "cleaned" herself with the same water through splashing. Secondly, they don't care to make peace with people who look white...wait..lets not go there. Instead I will tell you if we keep letting them in, sooner rather than later, you will have to listen to their mosque music that they blare every few hours. Trust me, it will drive you mad. They are mad in both ways--angry and crazy-like at the same time. I don't blame them: Their religion sucks, and the sun is just too intense over there. Honestly, It felt like bugs were biting my skin on my shaven head in just minutes after removing my head gear. Just remember this: NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS. If there are too many of them here we WILL have a problem. Trump's right, shut the border on these people.

This is an awesome post. I was never "there", but it sounds like you laid it out pretty straight.

I say "attack their infrastructure". I can respect you were there and say they don't have any. But, in order to communicate and live - they need electricity and water. I say, shut it down.

Make them dig in sand for water and use hand crank batteries to run their internet.
 
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