Evolution or Intelligent Design?

Evolution or Intelligent Design?

  • Evolution - Crawled Out Of Mud

    Votes: 29 32.2%

  • Intelligent Design - Created By God

    Votes: 53 58.9%

  • Don't Know, Don't Care

    Votes: 8 8.9%
  • Total voters
    90
I wish all a good Passover or Easter depending on your religious beliefs. It is not non-intelligent vs intelligent beliefs but just being intelligent in your beliefs.
 
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I didn't get into reading this thread when it was active because I was afraid I would start dis-liking members who didn't see things my way. I've matured a little so I think I can handle it. :D

It's a very good thread. If you haven't read it, I recommend going back and doing so.:bigups

I will never have enough faith to be believe we evolved from goo by accident and there is plenty of evidence out there that leads me to believe in Creation. Carbon dating, evolution, the earth being millions of years old is all theory and I hate that we are fed that as fact in schools.

My life changed for the better when I became a Christian and started trying to model the Christian life. I did this because I knew I needed to change and I liked what I saw in the Christian men that I was surrounded with. Over the years I have learned a lot of wisdom following the Christian faith.

Having said all that, I have to say I am not grounded in it anymore. I can't bring myself to believe that a Muslim child that has been brain washed all his life will go to hell because he has not excepted Jesus as his Savior. Or that an all knowing, all powerful God will allow such atrocities to happen to his children. I know I wouldn't sit back and watch my children be tortured and raped and mutilated and I am suppose to be made in His image.

There are prophecies in the Bible that get full-filled which adds credibility to it, but I just can't get past things like mosquitos. Why would a loving God create a mosquito? I know we supposedly live in a fallen world according to the Bible but I have to lean on the understanding that God gave me and question my beliefs. Not doing that is foolish in my mind.

Prayer is another thing that I have struggled with over the years. I have earnestly tried to "listen to His voice" and I always got nothing but silence in return. It seems a bit pointless considering God's Will be done. Our prayer gets answered, praise God.... it doesn't, must not have been God's will...:hmmm:

Well now that I have exposed myself as a non-believer living the Christian lifestyle I'm afraid I might lose some respect around here but so be it. Maybe one of you will have answers to these questions and this will all be a turning point for me in my "walk with God"

:cheers:

*edit 10-18-09. I have re-established myself as a child of God. I have experienced God's Love in a very real way and it is changing my life. His Love flows through me now and as weird as that sounds, it's an awesome experience and I know I'm blessed.

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emaxxman said:
I believe in evolution.

It's interesting that those who don't believe in evolution don't believe in it because it's difficult to accept that a seemingly random sequence of events was the start of our universe. One could say that the problem with intelligent design is that it is based on the belief and exceptance of a single, all powerful being who just happens to exist out of nowhere.
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:cool: o.k Who created tha body of water this fish walked out of?:cool:
 
CalgaryDetail said:
Heres the problem with that statement. The bible has been changed to fit the needs of its beurociecy (sp). The king jamesbible is nolonger considered to be the most correct english version as it is to poetic. The american standard is more acurate. Also as already mentioned we dont know what bible you are reading. Unfortunly there are tomany edits to "prove" such sientific facts, as well as things such as vitiam K are from experiance. Jesus was not the first to be cirumsied (it was a jewish covet from god) and therfore it was most likely an experiance thing over a know scientifc or medical fact. The knowledge was there to have medical facts such as that in 1AD
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:cool: My pastor still teaches out of KJV. The reason for NIV is simpally to make it easier to understand.The info in each is the exact same REV.22:18 I am narrowed minded when it comes to what the BIBLE teaches.Do you want your cardiologist to be narrow minded? How about your airline pilot?:cool:
 
CARTfan said:
We didn't evolve "from" apes. Humans and apes diverged (are on two separate evolutionary paths) from a common ancestor and continue to evolve along different paths. So we "share" a common ancestor, but apes are not our ancestors. Just some trivia: Human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are 99% similar. In the grand scheme of things, we are just another species occupying this planet...This offends some people, but humans think that just because we have the capacity for complex thought, that we are exempted from the laws of nature and are in some way superior. LIke its ok for other organisms to evolve, but not me. I was made perfect from the get go. Just think of all the people you know with back problems, shoulder problems, knees, hips, cancer, and on and on. Pretty obvious what side I'm on. Was never a fan of religion for scaring people in to doing "good". I do believe in God though, just not intelligent design.
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:cool:When you TRULY surrender your life to JESUS there is no more FEAR into "doing tha right thing".Your name has already been added to tha book of life.When I became a CHRISTIAN I no longer desired to sin...do I still sin?absolutely Maybe your ancestors were apes but mine were not.:cool:
 
I was brought up in a very open-minded family and my parents did not pound ideas into my head; they left it up to me. I have spent time on both sides of the fence and I am a firm believer in the theory of evolution.
 
How timely, this resurrection... badum bum. :D

And ShinyLilDtlr, ur right. I think it is closer to unintelligent design when I am constantly reminded of my poor spinal design. :redface:

Still a scientist through and through. I don't need religion to tell me to treat people well. That should go without saying. But if having faith in your religion helps you live a better, happier life, that's fantastic. There are definitely people out there who coould use that, or anything else for that matter, to give them the strength to get their lives straightened around.

Like I said before, I don't believe science and God are mutually exclusive.
 
Mr. Clean said:
I am still a big KJV lover. I have other versions to reference for comparison, but give the the KJV in large print as my "go to" :)
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There's a joke in here somewhere - something about wearing suspenders AND a belt and having your pants hiked up to your armpits. :D I know, I know... get off your lawn. ;)
 
JaredPointer said:
There's a joke in here somewhere - something about wearing suspenders AND a belt and having your pants hiked up to your armpits. :D I know, I know... get off your lawn. ;)
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Coveralls is the word. ;) Have you been watching me pull weeds in the lawn? :D Only after my youngest swore I "mooned" the whole "hood". :yikes:
 
Spilchy said:
Didn't Lot sleep with his kids to preserve the seed of man? Wouldn't that make us a product of incest? icky.

So were humans hanging out with dinasours 165 million years ago up until they went extinct 65 million years ago? Also if Noah went through all the trouble of keeping animals alive, why did he kick the dinasours to the curb? I mean those things were bad a$$, why let them all die? Did he save every insect, animal, fish etc... or just a handful? How many did he take? Genesis 7:2 says one number and then Genesis 7:9 says another. Did God go on to create all the billions of life forms after the flood that Noah couldn't save in the boat or was he finished after the 7th day way back when?

Given that the Hebrew bible (or "Old" Testament) starts off with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradicting each other, I soon checked my creationist beliefs at the door when I suffered through Hebrew school every Sunday as a kid.

Currently 20 of the 32 armed conflicts around the world are fueled by religion. If those who believe in the Creationist story were born Hindu, you'd believe something else about man's creation and then type that here, therefore rendering, in my opinion, religion fundamentally relative and lacking when it comes to explaining the scientific facts about the world's origin.
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Troy@DetailCity said:
Stumbled across this one and thought it deserved a bump.
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maybe it should have died with Spilchy's speech :lmfao
 
Poorboy said:
maybe it should have died with Spilchy's speech :lmfao
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Well if you think religions are the only way to believe in creation over evolution then I might agree with Spilchy.

I don't see how anyone can look at all the living things on this earth and not believe they were created. :hmmm:

Created by who? For what purpose? Those are the questions that multiple religions have explanations for but at this point in my life, I'm not buying any of them.
 
Troy@DetailCity said:
I will never have enough faith to be believe we evolved from goo by accident and there is plenty of evidence out there that leads me to believe in Creation. Carbon dating, evolution, the earth being millions of years old is all theory and I hate that we are fed that as fact in schools.
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Exactly how is carbon dating considered theory? What do you know about carbon dating that makes you form this opinion?
 
Troy@DetailCity said:
I don't see how anyone can look at all the living things on this earth and not believe they were created. :hmmm:
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simply because we have already seen evolution at work in the past 300 years .... dogs ... there were no dogs ... they evolved into pets with most being man made breeds...:redface:
 
Poorboy said:
simply because we have already seen evolution at work in the past 300 years .... dogs ... there were no dogs ... they evolved into pets with most being man made breads...:redface:
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I had to read this a couple of times, I thought there was some dry whit in here that I wasn't picking up on. :D I assume you mean breeds?
 
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